Should there be a new OT for From the Ashes Era

  • Yes, and I will participate.

    Votes: 23 48.9%
  • Yes, but I probably won't participate.

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • No. Keep the conversation here.

    Votes: 6 12.8%
  • No. I have no interest in From the Ashes.

    Votes: 7 14.9%
  • Let's just talk about it on the Comics Era OT.

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

BebopCola

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Jul 17, 2019
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I'm curious, what were the early solicits like before the Krakoa era began? I literally jumped into HoX/PoX blind due to insane word of mouth, so I have no idea how they prepared the new age.
 

AquaRegia

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm curious, what were the early solicits like before the Krakoa era began? I literally jumped into HoX/PoX blind due to insane word of mouth, so I have no idea how they prepared the new age.
The OP of this topic is basically what you're asking for. "The most important scene in the history of the X-men" and such.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fiege has never promoted the books at all and not even used the movies or marketing to promote the books.

To be fair, Gunn has a very open and two-way conversational style with fans and his entire thing is like...actually being present.

I don't think if Feige suddenly got a Twitter account and started marketing things, it would feel very organic. But maybe there's a different way he could promote the books, just not one that requires him to seem like an actual human person and not The Company, Personified.
 

mreddie

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Oct 26, 2017
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To be fair, Gunn has a very open and two-way conversational style with fans and his entire thing is like...actually being present.

I don't think if Feige suddenly got a Twitter account and started marketing things, it would feel very organic. But maybe there's a different way he could promote the books, just not one that requires him to seem like an actual human person and not The Company, Personified.
I get it but like, c'mon man, use the pipeline for fucks sake
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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I get it but like, c'mon man, use the pipeline for fucks sake

Yeah. It's always been one of Marvel's greatest weaknesses hiding inside of their greatest strength. The overall alignment of everything USED to benefit the movies greatly, but at the expense of the comics, and now that the movies are in bad shape the comics are suffering for nothing.
 

mreddie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah. It's always been one of Marvel's greatest weaknesses hiding inside of their greatest strength. The overall alignment of everything USED to benefit the movies greatly, but at the expense of the comics, and now that the movies are in bad shape the comics are suffering for nothing.
Or the comics go overboard with the synergy and the movies actually adapt the silly stuff.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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There was a conversation today on Twitter about how mutants must feel after things like terraforming Mars, conquering death and curing Alzheimer's to From the Ashes... and yeah.

I can't get it out of my head that the feeling must be like One More Day on an entire species scale.
 

Mr. Poolman

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
7,056
While we didn't needed further escalation from all the Mars stuff and super Mutant culture, this back to status quo seems worse.

I really really dislike X-Men 97, it's turning back to an era that was carried by art, but the stories were never good.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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While we didn't needed further escalation from all the Mars stuff and super Mutant culture, this back to status quo seems worse.

I really really dislike X-Men 97, it's turning back to an era that was carried by art, but the stories were never good.

I wouldn't blame the cartoon for the reset. I think the reality of the situation is that things were always going to "snap back" eventually, and they needed to rip the cord or some writer or another would keep finding excuses to delay the inevitable even further. For better and for worse, a LOT of people like to see mutants as a regular part of the Marvel universe, and it doesn't help that the sheer amount of "well you need to read this and this and this to understand this" aspects of the Krakoa era made it completely impenetrable for people who weren't in it for the long haul. Like even speaking as someone who's been an X-Men fan since the early 90s, I tried to make sense of all the Moira time loop shit and was just like "nope. I'm out". If I want to just read fun mutant stories it's really hard to find them in this sea of convoluted, incestuous plot logic and writers all having their own ideas about how the status quo should work. It's a headache. And I don't think there really was a way to fix it short of an entire full-setting Marvel "from scratch" reboot, which Marvel is not going to do because they aren't DC.

97 isn't a perfect show - it's paced very weirdly due to the short seasons - but I think for the most part its heart is in the right place in terms of trying to tell a RELEVANT mutant story for the era it's been released in. It's calling back to the 90s for sure, but the subject matter we're seeing actually depicted in the show couldn't possibly be more 2024.
 

Magnus

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Oct 25, 2017
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I understand the Krakoan era is ending soon, and I've just started a read of all of it. With Marvel Unlimited, I tried reading eeeeeverything, but I'm getting a little fatigued by some of the books. Is there a great critical path kind of reading list that you guys would recommend? I'm about 20 issues into the Marvel reading order listed at the end of each issue, after HoX and PoX.
 

DivineBlade

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Jun 26, 2021
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While we didn't needed further escalation from all the Mars stuff and super Mutant culture, this back to status quo seems worse.

I really really dislike X-Men 97, it's turning back to an era that was carried by art, but the stories were never good.

I get you not liking OZT, but it's also adapting and remixing stories like Inferno, E is For Extinction and Lifedeath, some of the most liked in X-Men's history.

I was excitedly for 97 at all as I don't have nostalgia for the original series but it's been such a pleasant surprise.
 

Huncho

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Jun 10, 2020
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I understand the Krakoan era is ending soon, and I've just started a read of all of it. With Marvel Unlimited, I tried reading eeeeeverything, but I'm getting a little fatigued by some of the books. Is there a great critical path kind of reading list that you guys would recommend? I'm about 20 issues into the Marvel reading order listed at the end of each issue, after HoX and PoX.
The first big event was X of Swords iirc.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really liked this week X-Men, even if it still has that feeling of "let's close things and prepare From the Ashes." Very good moment between Kate and Wolverine.
 

spookyduzt

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
10,937
I understand the Krakoan era is ending soon, and I've just started a read of all of it. With Marvel Unlimited, I tried reading eeeeeverything, but I'm getting a little fatigued by some of the books. Is there a great critical path kind of reading list that you guys would recommend? I'm about 20 issues into the Marvel reading order listed at the end of each issue, after HoX and PoX.

I've been using this:


Generally if some of the side books are not doing anything for you after the first 5-6 issues, it's okay to drop them. Read what you like.
 
Feb 16, 2022
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This week's X-Men had some funny moments, but good lord Duggan just completely gave up on the writing. Really doesn't help the rushed feeling of this whole end of the era. Even good writers would stumble when they're stretched so thin, Duggan barely writes decently on his normal workload.

It really saddens me how poorly this really cool, iconic era of the X-Men is ending.
 

SamAlbro

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Oct 25, 2017
7,391
X-FACTOR
Mark Russel (w) Bob Quinn (a)

Government strike team led by Angel and Havok with Pyro, Feral and Frenzy filling out the ranks.

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Marvel reveals ‘X-Factor’ creative team and more, out in August 2024

Set in the X-Men's upcoming From the Ashes era, X-FACTOR by Mark Russell and Bob Quinn brings back the iconic government mutant team.

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Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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X-Factor is going to be the same story we've seen a thousand times of "Hey, turns out being a government team is bad!", something you can already tell from the first issue. I get the feeling that they chose Alex and Warren as leaders because it doesn't matter to put them in a position where they're obviously wrong, but they're not even interesting enough to make it entertaining to watch them get it wrong.

I think there's only Wolverine and Storm left to see if there's something new and exciting or if it's going to be all "Yeah, I've already seen this."
 

onpoint

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Oct 26, 2017
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That XF logo on their chest is like napkin-sketch level. It's a fine idea but it needs development because that looks like dogshit.
 
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mjc

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Oct 25, 2017
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How TF does Greg Land still get so much work? Is it really just his quick turnaround?
 
Feb 16, 2022
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Love seeing Frenzy but do we really need 3 blonde white dudes in one team? I guess it makes some kind of sense since this is the "corporate" team, but still.

Don't see it lasting a full year.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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Love seeing Frenzy but do we really need 3 blonde white dudes in one team? I guess it makes some kind of sense since this is the "corporate" team, but still.

Don't see it lasting a full year.
It's a team that is made so that we think "Yeah, you fools" and don't get angry when they make the obviously wrong decision for the reader to trust the government, being a satire and all.

Frenzy will probably be the voice of reason.
 

SamAlbro

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's all the same archetypes as the original X-Factor:

- Angel
- A Summers
- A queer coded temperature manipulator
- A furry little claw monster
- A woman who could take down the entire team solo without breaking a sweat.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm very very confused about X-Men Forever right now. That is, after so long telling us that Enigma does not have the ability to interact directly with the physical universe, does he suddenly travel to the past to affect Hope's birth?

Phoenix and Enigma lack... consistency thing right now. It's entertaining because it has the rushed pace of all of Fall of X, but my feeling in the end is that I don't understand it.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm very very confused about X-Men Forever right now. That is, after so long telling us that Enigma does not have the ability to interact directly with the physical universe, does he suddenly travel to the past to affect Hope's birth?

Phoenix and Enigma lack... consistency thing right now. It's entertaining because it has the rushed pace of all of Fall of X, but my feeling in the end is that I don't understand it.

I believe it was merely very risky to do so, as any interference could impede it from becoming in the first place.
 
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Dalek

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I'm confused as well. That ring said I'm surprised it took this long to address the parentage of Hope.
 
Oct 8, 2019
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X-Factor is going to be the same story we've seen a thousand times of "Hey, turns out being a government team is bad!", something you can already tell from the first issue. I get the feeling that they chose Alex and Warren as leaders because it doesn't matter to put them in a position where they're obviously wrong, but they're not even interesting enough to make it entertaining to watch them get it wrong.

I think there's only Wolverine and Storm left to see if there's something new and exciting or if it's going to be all "Yeah, I've already seen this."

Mark Russell is best known for his satire so I am really excited to see what happens. His Flintstones comic is insanely memorable


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Glio

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Mark Russell is best known for his satire so I am really excited to see what happens. His Flintstones comic is insanely memorable


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I LOVE his Flintstones. But this was something new and original. His pitch for X-Factor is the same that Simonson and David already did. And maybe it's a great comic, but it's not exciting, original or new.
 

Porl

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Nov 6, 2017
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I LOVE his Flintstones. But this was something new and original. His pitch for X-Factor is the same that Simonson and David already did. And maybe it's a great comic, but it's not exciting, original or new.
I mean how is this any different from the flintstones or any of his other comics. He's obviously not going to play the premise straight
 

Glio

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I mean how is this any different from the flintstones or any of his other comics. He's obviously not going to play the premise straight
Obviously it's going to be critical of the idea of a government team and there will be a lot of satire, but previous X-Factors were already like that.
 

Kinsei

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Oct 25, 2017
20,666
Obviously it's going to be critical of the idea of a government team and there will be a lot of satire, but previous X-Factors were already like that.
Yep. With this, Kate going to abusing her passing privilege, Kate going back to being called Kitty, and a myriad of things Brevoort has said, this upcoming era sure can be defined by a single word. "Regression"

The FCBD teaser didn't do anything to assuage these fears.
 

SamAlbro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Another team this lineup reminds me of is Erik Larsen's unused X-Factor pitch:


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In addition to Alex and Pyro being on both teams, the three characters who are different all fit the molds of the characters from this pitch.

Frenzy fills the Polaris spot as the giant woman tank of the team.

Feral fits in as Horridus (a character Larsen would later use in Freak force / Savage Dragon) as the orange claw monster girl.

Archangel fits the role of Crimson Commando (shown here in the redesign that Larsen would later use as Super Patriot) as the guy with relatively boring mutant powers who is maimed in battle and gets more deadly metal prosthetics.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Stories should be 100% original and unique and never do similar things to other stories ever which is why I'm very glad this copycat Genosha era is ending
 
Oct 26, 2023
708
I've been reading the whole Krakoan era religiously and I've found it an absolutely incomprehensible mess ever since Hickman left, save for the books written by Ewing. Every single time I'm like, what the hell am I reading? Honestly glad it's basically over and I'm excited to see what McKay and Simone bring to the table.
 

Huncho

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Jun 10, 2020
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The only things I did not like about Krakoa Era was the whole shtick with Dark Beast and how they immediately sidelined the Last X-Men team, they were done dirty.