Since Kylo is the leader he probably turned into a Darth Vader fan club
Snoke doesn't like it but probably let them do it because they get the job done until he lost his patience with Kylo
The Last Jedi: What happened to the Knights of Ren?
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Snoke doesn't like it but probably let them do it because they get the job done until he lost his patience with Kylo
He could sense things when mace windu was testing him. With the speeder etc.
We'll learn about them in the new Star Wars cg cartoon "Luke Skywalker's Jedi Training Academy" and see a young Kylo turn and lure his friends to the darkside.
I have not seen TLJ.
I have not seen TLJ.
According to the leaked call sheet for The Force Awakens and a leak from the fairly reliable Making Star Wars, Rey's "Forceback" was originally going to feature a little more of the Knights of Ren. The call sheet and the leak tell slightly different tales:
That leaked call sheet seems to imply that the Knights of Ren existed before Kylo turned and joined them. I believe this is still the truth. The Aftermath book trilogy has included brief stories about a group called the Acolytes of the Beyond that sound suspiciously like they could be the Knights of Ren. They're obsessed with artifacts related to dark side users, especially masks.
Making Star Wars said:
Call Sheet said:
That leaked call sheet seems to imply that the Knights of Ren existed before Kylo turned and joined them. I believe this is still the truth. The Aftermath book trilogy has included brief stories about a group called the Acolytes of the Beyond that sound suspiciously like they could be the Knights of Ren. They're obsessed with artifacts related to dark side users, especially masks.
Are you sure?
- She used Falcon easily by first time. And escaped from First Order Tie-Fighters by professionally.
- She rescued himself using Mind Control Power. She doesn't even know about Force or how to use it.
- She's fighting skills in the The Force Awakens was weak. But at the end of the movie, she used lightsaber first time and defeat Kylo Ren with zero training.
- She pulled the lightsaber without knowing nothing about that skill in the same fight scene.
- She was knew what to do when she fell into the that dark hole. Despite seeing it for the first time. Not even surprised.
- She defeat some of the Snoke's Elite Praetorian Guards too easily. Even though she only used lightsaber for the second time. Yeah, Kylo Ren helped, but she fought easily.
- She saved Kylo Ren after that scene. The man who killed Snoke, the man who was defeated by a guard at the same scene.
- She saved everybody at the end of the Last Jedi. The girl who started to learn force new. With a power that could move tons of rocks.
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She fought some punk kid , didn't blow up star killer base, didn't kill the supposed main villain, didn't even help blow up the big super weapon because Chewie and Han did that. Her entire story is tied to Kylo and discovering her powers. Everyone else (ie: non force users) did the heavy lifting in TFA, and Kylo did Snoke.
This is the power level shit I'm talking about. From a Macro story standpoint, Luke did way more in 1 movie than she did in two. He shot some torpedo in a hole no one thought was possible and others died trying. But no, we're more concerned about how she can fly the Falcon or can resist Kylo reading her mind.
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Lol I love TLJ didn't give the EU the chance to make Ben's mask some kind of sith alchemy artifact. No its a dumb random mask Ren wears to try and look cool and Snoke roasted his ass for it.
I agree.
I totally disagree. Snoke was presented as being far more composed than Ren is. The First Order are now lead by a pissy man child who flips on a dime. In terms of The First Order versus The Rebellion, I think going into IX, we're in a much more interesting position.
Rey's parents being nobody of note also raises the stakes. It removes the element of genetics. The greatest living Jedi? Just some random woman who's been a force user all of two days. Rey will remain the protagonist, but they've opened it up to a huge potential in terms of new force using support characters.
Rey will win, yes, good will win out, it is a family friendly film, after all. And so were the originals. There was never any doubt that the Jedi were going to defeat the bad guys in the original trilogy either. I don't see that as a fair criticism. It's not about the destination, we know that already, it's about the journey. As for either of them flipping, I disagree that it's not a possibility.
No, Han wasn't probably dead. They specifically state that the freezing worked. Luke was weaker, yes, but again, the good guy wins, so no, that's not any different.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'that is more crazy', comparing the film to Empire? Personally, I think it had more in common with Jedi, but in the specific instance that poster mentioned, I think it was countered by the fact that Empire had done something similar. Of course people are going to compare them though. Star Wars 'nerds' or otherwise. And for that matter, I would consider myself anything but a Star Wars nerd, there's three films I quite like out of nine, and none I'd consider great. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
That's right. JJ confirmed they existed before Kylo joined them in the lead-up to TFA's release.
Well that kind of my point. Obviously you wouldn't stash gear 'just in case' which highlights that JJ Abrams envisaged the scene playing out differently to how it goes down in TLJ. It was a premeditated strike with the Knights of Ren not a spur of the moment thing.
Apparently there was a deleted scene or unfinished where they were on a mission so it's probably separate than the actual attack
They could've easily cut the Finn story arch which is useless (and incoherent with TFA. Wasn't Finn supposed to be really really bad injured?)
Anytime people bring this up I wonder if they actually read what they've wrote, because it will never not sound ridiculous. The shot was hard because the timing was hard, that's it and giving you supernatural reflexes and some level of precognition are the types of vague abilities all force users have (and I believe the stated reason why they're the only people attempting to use weapons as dangerous as light sabers)
Are you implying I am sounding ridiculous? I can't tell. Just as a primer, Obi-Wan told Luke is turn off his targeting computer and use the force. You can imply a ton of things from there and it's not just 'reflexes'
As I noted previously, the elephant in the room here is ANH was written as a standalone film, when the Force itself was not very well defined and later retconned by Lucas to be much much more, so trying to measure power levels by what people can do in specific movies is pretty meaningless.
The Knights are under Ben and Ben hasn't really been the sort of character that seems like should be leading anything so far. In a more mature role as the supreme leader, and more confident in himself, it will be easier to portray him in a leadership role over the Knights in IX.
Haha, if J.J. reveals this in IX and then completely ignores the 'couple of students' Ren took off with, I'm now calling the 'what happened to Luke's students' thread in two years.
A subversive plot happened?
I honesty thought they were the red dudes that were guarding Snoke. I could and probably am wrong.
I honesty thought they were the red dudes that were guarding Snoke. I could and probably am wrong.
I never get this sentiment. What are we going to run out of forum space. Gotta use these threads sparingly? Haha.
The thing is his reflexes are guided by the force. All Obi-Wan did was have Luke trust his abilities, not have him specifically "use" the force. He didn't have to channel the force within himself. He just needed to trust his abilities that are guided by the force rather than trust a computer.
Comparing that to mind control and lifting objects with the force is pretty ridiculous. Especially when you claim that is more impressive than what Rey has done.
Regarding the Knights of Ren I always took it as a group where dark users take their Ren name from. Not followers of Kylo Ren.
oooh maybe this explains the force kid at the end of TLJ, since every force user needs a counterpart in the dark side and vice versa.
He was Luke's student. Luke almost certainly told him in great detail about the end of Vader's life. So he probably went to look for the pyre and retrieved the mask. I doubt there's anything interesting in the story.
The rain scene from TFA doesn't have anything to do with Ben slaughtering the Jedi. The original script for TFA had everyone hunting Luke's lightsaber, not a map to Ahch-To, and the Knights were presumably fighting some clan who had possession of the lightsaber at that time but it slipped away into the hands of Maz. The whole sequence was basically originally to show how the lightsaber came to Takodana. JJ reorganized everything and now that part of the Forceback is just the Knights killing some clan for some unknown reason. The only part of the Forceback that has to do with the Jedi massacre is the shot of Luke and R2.
At least Lucas had a plan even if his plan sucked. Episode 1-3 had a clear plotline to OT. TFA and TLJ may as well be completely different.
better then another Trump thread? We can have a dozen Trump threads but, not of this?
better then another Trump thread? We can have a dozen Trump threads but, not of this?
Yeah, but Snoke still refers to Kylo Ren as their master:
"Even you, master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test."