Since the beginning there was so much speculation on Joel's fate, I feel ND just wants to keep it in the dark until release. We start the game and hello Joel, glad to see you finally.Nope nope nope nope. I have a theory that ND is keeping Joel for future trailer.. you know for a surprise.
I'm genuinely curious, because I don't want to be unfairly judgemental or jump to conclusions, but what about the scene felt forced to you?
The scene felt superbly directed to me, rivaling things we see in television / film. Nothing about the kiss felt forced or rushed to me. Remember we are jumping to Ellie years after the first game and its clear this scene has been built up over time we haven't seen to me.
What's the full lexicon of the average gamergator? I see the term SJW bandied about quite often from them, but is there any other significant marker that bears mentioning of these folks?Imagine hating an incredible character like Ellie because she like to kiss girls, in the year 2018
Imagine screaming at the top of your lungs Neil and Naughty Dog are ruining gaming with their "SJW AGENDA" in the year 2018 while watching one of the best directed scenes in the history of gaming
Sad as fuck, and in the off chance you read this Neil, I named my first and only daughter Ellie after her when playing TLOU. And I couldn't be more proud.
Sodapoppin, Lirik, Dansgaming, etc. Literally all the big streamers.
Actually nvm, read the comments wrong.
I believe he is referring to the "i am just a girl - no threat" line. It felt forced to me as well, as if it hasnt already been established that Ellie is a badass, we need to make a new blatant statement.
There's been other trailers.It was one location during one time of the day that takes place over about 5 minutes. You don't think a Naughty Dog game is going to have visual and setting variety?
Heck, the very first trailer we saw Ellie singing in a house where the sun was shining bright. The last 2 segments shown were in the dark, sure, but that's hardly indicative of a ~10-15 (guessing here) hour game.It was one location during one time of the day that takes place over about 5 minutes. You don't think a Naughty Dog game is going to have visual and setting variety?
Wait what?? She literally just came back to westworld 3 weeks ago. Omg. Her acting is so good thereShannon Woodward. She's probably best known for playing Elsie in Westworld.
The more I watch the trailer the more I'm convinced this is a PS5 launch game.
For the love of fuckI believe he is referring to the "i am just a girl - no threat" line. It felt forced to me as well, as if it hasnt already been established that Ellie is a badass, we need to make a new blatant statement.
Wasn't that impressed to be honest, looks just like the Last of Us with small improvements.
Her main weapons were her knife, gun, b/a and machete. Don't know what you mean by them being too much for her physical build.. like.. What? I honestly don't get it..
...and both trailers show very specific, singular scenes.There's been other trailers.
And so far no, and the director has said that this will be much darker in tone and about revenge or something along those lines.
There's been other trailers.
And so far no, and the director has said that this will be much darker in tone and about revenge or something along those lines.
For the love of fuck
it's a double meaning, you crazies
it's taking the context of one thing, and using it to ironically mean another thing in another context.
Ellie saying that to Dina means she meant it romantically. She's saying she doesn't see herself as competition to men for Dina's affections. Dina saying that she is is her telling Ellie that, yes, she's into girls as well and she is free to express that.
The cut to Ellie killing a dude after having said that line is a visual irony.
People took offense at this trailer? Like fucking what?
Unlike the original games trailer they actually avoided lingering on the gore like a teenager who saw his first gore porn, all the while still cranking up the intensity with great camera work to highlight impacts and violence.
And the kiss? Best animated kiss in any 3d media ever. Seriously, the animation in that scene was peerless.
If you feel uncomfortable looking at two women kissing for their own pleasure instead of yours, cut down on the porn, it is messing with your brain. And I am 100% sincere with that. Learn some empathy as a first step to become less bigoted.
I find the phrase 'Virtue signaling' pretty apparent. Asshole alt rights love it for some reason. Raises a red flag for me personally.What's the full lexicon of the average gamergator? I see the term SJW bandied about quite often from them, but is there any other significant marker that bears mentioning of these folks?
I genuinely think this has been the best game shown at E3 in any conference
Then again the original TLOU is in my top 3 favorite titles of all time
...and both trailers show very specific, singular scenes.
Dark tone doesn't mean dark in terms of actual lack of sunlight as well. Even in this very trailer we get a very 'bright' scene in terms of lighting and mood. They're establishing a tone and rain and night definitely does that. It seems very premature to write an entire game off based on very little footage. Especially one likely at least a year away from even releasing.
Wasn't that impressed to be honest, looks just like the Last of Us with small improvements.
If that's the case, that is 100% fair. I just didn't get that feeling from your initial post.
How is it dishonest?Well, corny would probably be a better word. To go from a kiss with the words, 'Oh, Ellie, I think they should be terrified of you' (referring to the men watching) to a scene in which Ellie is plunging a knife into a man's neck is just so forced and manufactured. It doesn't come across as honest but rather a gimmick.
It's funny to watch this coming off the Tomb Raider gameplay reveal. The two showed basically the same gameplay sequence, yet TLOU is just miles ahead on absolutely every front.
it's not a hive mind, and i don't think it is, but the past week has been one of the worst on here for sure. It doesnt even have to do with disagreeing. some of the reactions to things have been real sad to see. either way, you are right on the final part. it's getting back to fruitful discussion, and that's what i'd hope we're all here for.i can understand the first one to an extent but in fact most posts have been about avoiding tropes and gay characters getting killed off. And violence were having a solid discussion about how violence can be offputting with the graphical fidelity we are hitting ... Maybe some ppl just disagree with you. Its not a hive mind forum. The other one wasnt and im pretty sure this one isnt given how many of us are having a fruitful interesting dicussion.
the mods are doing a good job usually from what i see, and yea you cant really vet ppl on the internet. it's just been an influx of thread ruining posts the past week. but i believe it'll get back to normal, was just sad seing our first e3 turn out like this.There's no way to police or foretell how people think or feel before they demonstrate them. I don't see the mods ignoring anything problematic given their track record thus far.
Those who want Ellie to be OHK by anything, I'm sure there's a new Grounded mode. As for what she's dishing out, I don't see anything unbelievable. She's a fit and experienced survivor. We saw her shanking people to death in Part 1 ffs.
one of the first things i noticed. the gap is grand canyon wideIt's funny to watch this coming off the Tomb Raider gameplay reveal. The two showed basically the same gameplay sequence, yet TLOU is just miles ahead on absolutely every front.
How is it dishonest?
I feel like you're trying to justify your opinion after the fact, by concocting reasons that aren't actually there. There is nothing "dishonest" about that scene. Insofar as it's possible to earn a moment in the span of 2 minutes, they did an admirable job. Knowing what we know of Ellie, and what she has had to do to survive, and how capable she actually is, the dichotomy between those two moment (people having to be "terrified" of her in the context of a romantic relationship, and people having to be terrified of her and her murderous intent) is absolutely "honest", earned, contextualized, and whatever the heck else you want it to be.
Thank god.... it sounds like Joel isn't dead! Yay for not going the cheap lazy route!
Not really. It's not the most elegant use of contrasting visuals with double meaning dialogue I've ever seen, but it's not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell. The dialogue itself is something a normal person would believably say, and it's built up to it well. The poses are purposesful. Ellie isn't doing just any violent thing, she's holding the guy in question close to as he dies, which visually both mirrors and contrasts with the affectionate way Ellie is holding Dina. It's perfectly fine as a transition.Yeah, I know. This is odd. That's what I'm talking about. It's corny.
Yes. They do so with me as well. Is it possible that some people get looped into it as well without realizing it? Using alt-right language but without the animus? The terms are used so ad nauseum by these folks that they lose any edginess they might have had in the past. I always roll my eyes when I hear the term used in real life, and they're always the same stock, visual cliches. Imagine dating or being married to that kind of personality. Imagine being a parent or sibling and having to hear these losers prattle on about SJW's and feminazis at dinner time.I find the phrase 'Virtue signaling' pretty apparent. Asshole alt rights love it for some reason. Raises a red flag for me personally.
I don't trust like thatYes. They do so with me as well. Is it possible that some people get looped into it as well without realizing it? Using alt-right language but without the animus?
I want to eat this post like cake.Not really. It's not the most elegant use of contrasting visuals with double meaning dialogue I've ever seen, but it's not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell. The dialogue itself is something a normal person would believably say, and it's built up to it well. The poses are purposesful. Ellie isn't doing just any violent thing, she's holding the guy in question close to as he dies, which visually both mirrors and contrasts with the affectionate way Ellie is holding Dina. It's perfectly fine as a transition.
Of course, you're free to have your own opinion, but I'm not seeing any sort of solid criticism that supports that opinion.
Yeah calling things like homosexuality or female characters an agenda, using phrases like virtue signalling, triggered and SJWs... Never indicates a good time.I find the phrase 'Virtue signaling' pretty apparent. Asshole alt rights love it for some reason. Raises a red flag for me personally.
Yeah I know but it still looks way better than I expected.It'll probably be the Pro at this point but I've got no doubt it'll look brilliant on the PS4 too.
Well, corny would probably be a better word. To go from a kiss with the words, 'Oh, Ellie, I think they should be terrified of you' (referring to the men watching) to a scene in which Ellie is plunging a knife into a man's neck is just so forced and manufactured. It doesn't come across as honest but rather a gimmick.