God that would such a more fun reality.
God that would such a more fun reality.
I don't know if people realize what that consumer poll was. It was a focused demographic of people who play 10 hrs or more of COD on PlayStation only. This wasn't a general public opinion poll. The broad support came from UK PlayStation players. Doesn't mean that it's a deciding factor in this but it is interesting non the less.I mean, it's basically a two month old take from lawyers right at the height of all the phase one negativity. Well before the CMA released the overly positive article from a market participant. Well before the CMA published the result from actual consumer feedback (3/4 were in favor of the deal).
It's worth discussing but it's no real indication of what's going on now.
I am pro-acquisition of ABK but we are all playing armchair CMA anti-regulator here. We could easily see it get blocked and I don't think one statement gives any indication that it will or will not. Now, if its the middle of next week and they hinting at knowing then maybe
Least hyperbolic deal outcome predictionI can just see the MS response now for when the deal gets blocked.
"We are very disappointed that we were not able to complete our acquisition of ABK and we are re-evaluating our position in the industry"
And then the doom posts come with people saying Xbox is going to get shut down, then MS has to say Xbox isn'y going anywhere, then we get more layoff this time hitting Xbox a lot harder.
God I just hope it goes through or it's going to be a painful year.
I can just see the MS response now for when the deal gets blocked.
"We are very disappointed that we were not able to complete our acquisition of ABK and we are re-evaluating our position in the industry"
And then the doom posts come with people saying Xbox is going to get shut down, then MS has to say Xbox isn'y going anywhere, then we get more layoff this time hitting Xbox a lot harder.
God I just hope it goes through or it's going to be a painful year.
I laughed at this harder than I should
But Xbox has been closed to shutting down before. We really dont want a new 2:1 generation in Sony's favor.It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
Some of us do have a lot riding on this.Man.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
on one hand, yes.Man.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
I mean if Microsoft doesn't get them they probably can't get any other publisher. I have zero interest in Square Enix, Capcom or say…Sega, their games never land on my radar. So even if they went after them, it's like not even of interest to me.Man.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
on one hand, yes.
On the other hand, MS buying Bethesda is one of the biggest chips to fall in terms of pushing Stadia out of the market.
When future plans hinge significantly on the availability of specific resources in a specific way, the impact can be surprising.
Will they? At some point Xbox continuing to lose marketshare while Playstation continues to gain marketshare will have MS investors screaming even more than they already do to get rid of Xbox, and if they get loud enough Satya and the board will have to listenMan.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
On the other hand, MS buying Bethesda is one of the biggest chips to fall in terms of pushing Stadia out of the market.
When future plans hinge significantly on the availability of specific resources in a specific way, the impact can be surprising.
Stadia's plans didn't hinge on access to Bethesda games.
Stadia left the market because their business model was nonsensical.
Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Popcorn timeSony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
How much of this stuff ends up being released to the public? I need another Epic vs Apple, where companies are just putting everything out, in my life.Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Lol wowSony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Lmao!Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
that is quite a lot to ask for but, it's kind of a fuck around and find out situation. wonder how much will actually end up being provided if any.
What happens if Sony does not provide these documents?Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
The reporting from multiple outlets is that Google did not realize how competitive the industry had become - and was not prepared for the consolidation that followed. Here is IGN.
Yes, the Stadia business model was bad.
Can be held that Microsoft's position is de facto correct basically.
"Sure hope none of that leaks." - MicrosoftSony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
This is kind of getting lost in the details: yeah stadia's model was bad, but as soon as Bethesda got bought Stadia basically gave up on original game content because a close relationship (my read: moneyhats) with Bethesda was a cornerstone of that plan.Stadia's plans didn't hinge on access to Bethesda games.
Stadia left the market because their business model was nonsensical.
Half the reason I follow all this stuff is hoping to see dirty laundry (from everyone involved) aired in public. I hope it delivers."Sure hope none of that leaks." - Microsoft
This acquisition keeps on giving. Enjoy it while you can folks. I doubt we ever see anything like this again in our lifetimes.
They should have done. Phil Harrison has been in the industry since 1989, and was with Sony from PlayStation's very beginnings until a couple of years after PS3 launched. Then Atari and then Xbox until 2015. Indeed he had less than a 3 year gap between MS to Google.I've seen the articles.
I mean, Google didn't understand a damn thing about the market they were entering. Imagine just assuming 3rd parties would just magically have incentive to port to your incumbent platform.
They weren't prepared for ANYTHING. Had Bethesda remained independent, Stadia would have been in the exact same position, because everything except the tech was ill-conceived.
Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony is not happy with the unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
Doesn't the CMA thing come out next Friday as well? Might as well wait for that and assuming it get's approved by CMA; just don't submit the documents. Not like FTC has any history of winning their law suits.Can be held that Microsoft's position is de facto correct basically.
Is it? Isn't most of that stuff basically common knowledge? And unless it leaks it's not like the public will see any of it anyways.
Regardless of what the CMA does or says, this is a court issue in the US. They have to comply if the court says so. So even if the CMA says no and basically kills the deal, Microsoft can still drag Sony through the mud if they wanted to.Doesn't the CMA thing come out next Friday as well? Might as well wait for that and assuming it get's approved by CMA; just don't submit the documents. Not like FTC has any history of winning their law suits.
Man.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
interesting, seems like high stakes for Sony, they must really be confident there is a chance this will get shut down.Regardless of what the CMA does or says, this is a court issue in the US. They have to comply if the court says so. So even if the CMA says no and basically kills the deal, Microsoft can still drag Sony through the mud if they wanted to.
Is it? Isn't most of that stuff basically common knowledge? And unless it leaks it's not like the public will see any of it anyways.
It's really not that hard to figure out though. Nowadays basically anything that's announced as "console exclusive" is a moneyhat. I guess it'd be interesting to see the nature of their deals with Marvel, but other than that I think it's already pretty cut and dry...I don't think the details of every third party agreement is public knowledge. There's probably all sorts of sketchy stuff in there.
Xbox is such a miniscule part of Microsoft that at some point, they might just decide it isn't worth investing more into
Facts are better than speculation tho.It's really not that hard to figure out though. Nowadays basically anything that's announced as "console exclusive" is a moneyhat. I guess it'd be interesting to see the nature of their deals with Marvel, but other than that I think it's already pretty cut and dry...
Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony has offered to review and produce responsive, non-privileged Microsoft email, attachments, and Teams chats for seven custodians, collected from 2019 through the present.
- Sony is not happy with the "unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests" from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
It's really not that hard to figure out though. Nowadays basically anything that's announced as "console exclusive" is a moneyhat. I guess it'd be interesting to see the nature of their deals with Marvel, but other than that I think it's already pretty cut and dry...
Larded up with a strong stenchActual quote from that Sony legal doc Idas, page 4:
"Microsoft chose to lard up [...]"
If you need a new OT subtitle....
How much of this stuff ends up being released to the public? I need another Epic vs Apple, where companies are just putting everything out, in my life.
Sony almost seems caught of guard by their actions in this. Their was another report where they refusing to corporate with the FTC in their case.interesting, seems like high stakes for Sony, they must really be confident there is a chance this will get shut down.
This isn't 2014 anymore.Will they? At some point Xbox continuing to lose marketshare while Playstation continues to gain marketshare will have MS investors screaming even more than they already do to get rid of Xbox, and if they get loud enough Satya and the board will have to listen
I agree, we don't know what any of these companies are upto but it's ridiculous to assert with total confidence that none of them are upto anything that would raise concerns when it happens in every other industry.There are plenty of things that can happen behind the scenes that we don't see. Nintendo used to use their market power to do a lot of questionable anti competitive stuff back in the day.
Not saying I know what/if Sony has been up to anything crazy obviously. We do know that MS has insinuated that they pay to keep games off Game Pass, we also have had leaks about cross play stuff. Has Sony put other pressures on third parties?