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I don't know if people realize what that consumer poll was. It was a focused demographic of people who play 10 hrs or more of COD on PlayStation only. This wasn't a general public opinion poll. The broad support came from UK PlayStation players. Doesn't mean that it's a deciding factor in this but it is interesting non the less.
I am pro-acquisition of ABK but we are all playing armchair CMA anti-regulator here. We could easily see it get blocked and I don't think one statement gives any indication that it will or will not. Now, if its the middle of next week and they hinting at knowing then maybe
I can just see the MS response now for when the deal gets blocked.
"We are very disappointed that we were not able to complete our acquisition of ABK and we are re-evaluating our position in the industry"
And then the doom posts come with people saying Xbox is going to get shut down, then MS has to say Xbox isn'y going anywhere, then we get more layoff this time hitting Xbox a lot harder.
God I just hope it goes through or it's going to be a painful year.
"We are very disappointed that we were not able to complete our acquisition of ABK and we are re-evaluating our position in the industry"
And then the doom posts come with people saying Xbox is going to get shut down, then MS has to say Xbox isn'y going anywhere, then we get more layoff this time hitting Xbox a lot harder.
God I just hope it goes through or it's going to be a painful year.
Man.. It's just insane to me how much it sounds like you guys have riding on this.
It's MS. They'll continue to exist with or without ABK under their wing.
But Xbox has been closed to shutting down before. We really dont want a new 2:1 generation in Sony's favor.
Games like Pentiment and Hi-Fi rush sadly doesnt move the needle.
on one hand, yes.
On the other hand, MS buying Bethesda is one of the biggest chips to fall in terms of pushing Stadia out of the market.
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I really don't want to have to go back to maining COD on PlayStation again if they lock out Zombies content with the next Treyarch game. My dual sense is great but it's no Elite controller.
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I mean if Microsoft doesn't get them they probably can't get any other publisher. I have zero interest in Square Enix, Capcom or say…Sega, their games never land on my radar. So even if they went after them, it's like not even of interest to me.
I really don't want to have to go back to maining COD on PlayStation again if they lock out Zombies content with the next Treyarch game. My dual sense is great but it's no Elite controller.
Stadia's plans didn't hinge on access to Bethesda games.
Stadia left the market because their business model was nonsensical.
Will they? At some point Xbox continuing to lose marketshare while Playstation continues to gain marketshare will have MS investors screaming even more than they already do to get rid of Xbox, and if they get loud enough Satya and the board will have to listen
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Sony gets 7 more days to serve the subpoena from MS, but this time it wasn't completely agreed by Microsoft (the judge granted it).
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony has offered to review and produce responsive, non-privileged Microsoft email, attachments, and Teams chats for seven custodians, collected from 2019 through the present.
- Sony is not happy with the "unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests" from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
New, and it sounds like final, deadline is February 10th.
We have more info about what MS is requesting:
- 45 distinct document requests, 13 of which have multiple subparts, for a total of more than 120 separate document requests.
- These requests demand all documents related to nearly all aspects of SIE's business, as well as extensive sets of sales, financial, and personal user data (e.g., user date of birth, user country, user gender, covering what will likely be millions of users).
- Ten of these requests seek materials going back more than 11 years to January 2012.
- Sony estimates that providing the response to MS will cost approximately $2 million or more in fees and expenses and demand weeks of intense work and substantial efforts and involvement of SIE personnel.
- MS is requesting all documents related to performance reviews and evaluations of all Sony gaming leadership or management, all documents relating to SIE's gaming business sent to, received from, or exchanged with other Sony entities, and executed copies of every content licensing agreement SIE has entered into with any third-party publisher over the past 11 years, among others.
- Sony has offered to review and produce responsive, non-privileged Microsoft email, attachments, and Teams chats for seven custodians, collected from 2019 through the present.
- Sony is not happy with the "unrealistically short deadlines and irrelevant requests" from MS.
- In any case, Sony anticipates that this will be its last request for an extension to the motion to quash deadline and that they will either reach final agreement or narrow any impasse by February 10, 2023. Microsoft disagrees with the relief requested in this motion.
More drama :p
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The reporting from multiple outlets is that Google did not realize how competitive the industry had become - and was not prepared for the consolidation that followed. Here is IGN.
Yes, the Stadia business model was bad.
It feels like Microsoft wants to know EVERYTHING that SIE has been doing for a decade lol
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How much of this stuff ends up being released to the public? I need another Epic vs Apple, where companies are just putting everything out, in my life.
I've seen the articles.
I mean, Google didn't understand a damn thing about the market they were entering. Imagine just assuming 3rd parties would just magically have incentive to port to your brand new platform.
They weren't prepared for ANYTHING. Had Bethesda remained independent, Stadia would have been in the exact same position, because everything except the tech was ill-conceived.
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Can be held that Microsoft's position is de facto correct basically.
"Sure hope none of that leaks." - Microsoft
This acquisition keeps on giving. Enjoy it while you can folks. I doubt we ever see anything like this again in our lifetimes.
This is kind of getting lost in the details: yeah stadia's model was bad, but as soon as Bethesda got bought Stadia basically gave up on original game content because a close relationship (my read: moneyhats) with Bethesda was a cornerstone of that plan.
MS acquisition of Zenimax, was one of the reason Stadia closed books on original games.
In his Thursday Q&A with staff, he pointed specifically to Microsoft’s buying spree and planned acquisition of Bethesda Software later this year as one of the factors that had made Google decide to close the book on original game development...
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You can basically draw a straight line from that event to where Stadia is now.
I'm not saying Xbox will shutter or exit the biz, but none of us know how much their future plans are tied up in the ABK merger. There's a wildcard element there if it is ultimately blocked.
The content licensing agreements with every 3rd party is very interesting. Let's see what they're upto.
Half the reason I follow all this stuff is hoping to see dirty laundry (from everyone involved) aired in public. I hope it delivers.
They should have done. Phil Harrison has been in the industry since 1989, and was with Sony from PlayStation's very beginnings until a couple of years after PS3 launched. Then Atari and then Xbox until 2015. Indeed he had less than a 3 year gap between MS to Google.
Few have been in the industry as long as him, with anything like the experience and knowledge, so it's really very baffling that they couldn't predict the obvious.
Doesn't the CMA thing come out next Friday as well? Might as well wait for that and assuming it get's approved by CMA; just don't submit the documents. Not like FTC has any history of winning their law suits.
Is it? Isn't most of that stuff basically common knowledge? And unless it leaks it's not like the public will see any of it anyways.
Regardless of what the CMA does or says, this is a court issue in the US. They have to comply if the court says so. So even if the CMA says no and basically kills the deal, Microsoft can still drag Sony through the mud if they wanted to.
The problem has always been that, unlike Sony or Nintendo, Xbox is such a miniscule part of Microsoft that at some point, they might just decide it isn't worth investing more into. Apparently they already came close to doing that before.
interesting, seems like high stakes for Sony, they must really be confident there is a chance this will get shut down.
I don't think the details of every third party agreement is public knowledge. There's probably all sorts of sketchy stuff in there.
It's really not that hard to figure out though. Nowadays basically anything that's announced as "console exclusive" is a moneyhat. I guess it'd be interesting to see the nature of their deals with Marvel, but other than that I think it's already pretty cut and dry...
I wonder if this is one of those instant regret situations for Sony, I mean, they absolutely knew MS wasn't going to pull CoD off their system so I wonder what kinda win they think they'll get that offsets basically getting fleeced for all of this data.
There are plenty of things that can happen behind the scenes that we don't see. Nintendo used to use their market power to do a lot of questionable anti competitive stuff back in the day.
Not saying I know what/if Sony has been up to anything crazy obviously. We do know that MS has insinuated that they pay to keep games off Game Pass, we also have had leaks about cross play stuff. Has Sony put other pressures on third parties?
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I added to the original post one item that I missed:
- Sony has offered to review and produce responsive, non-privileged Microsoft email, attachments, and Teams chats for seven custodians, collected from 2019 through the present.
If this finally goes to court, more than a few.
The judge will decide if the request makes sense and the extent of it.
It will depend on what finally has to be shared.
Sony says that MS should focus on the ultimate issue of this case "whether Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Inc. may lessen competition" and not with "completely irrelevant requests". They don't sound happy.
- Sony has offered to review and produce responsive, non-privileged Microsoft email, attachments, and Teams chats for seven custodians, collected from 2019 through the present.
If this finally goes to court, more than a few.
The judge will decide if the request makes sense and the extent of it.
It will depend on what finally has to be shared.
Sony says that MS should focus on the ultimate issue of this case "whether Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Inc. may lessen competition" and not with "completely irrelevant requests". They don't sound happy.
Sony almost seems caught of guard by their actions in this. Their was another report where they refusing to corporate with the FTC in their case.
All very strange (cake and eat it too attitude?)
Sony fucked around and found out with one of the top 3 largest corporations in the world. I'm not sure what the hell they expected to happen.
I agree, we don't know what any of these companies are upto but it's ridiculous to assert with total confidence that none of them are upto anything that would raise concerns when it happens in every other industry.
If there's nothing you hide then there should be no problem sharing it. Too much stuff in gaming is cloaked in secrecy.