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The problem with climbing in a post-Breath of Wild Era...
- Thread starter Stef
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A lot of open world games maybe. But I certainly don't miss climbing in completely different games in completely different genres.
We're only just now getting to the point where games inspired by or that take notes from BotW are coming out, and we have a direct sequel in the works.
Same here. I went from BotW to Horizon Zero Dawn and holy hell it was frustrating that you some times couldn't even climb simple rocks.
BoTW isn't the best on the genre in my opinion so I'm going to say no. I find AC Odyssey to be a better open world game, for example.
playing most open world games after botw is like going back to play FPS games without using a mouse.
The mistake! You get stuck with the tiniest of rocks in this game.
it happened to me as well. botw gives you such a ridiculous amount of traversal freedom that going to any other game after it just becomes frustrating. all the things in zelda that just become ordinary after a while, turns out you can't do them in like 95% of other games. that's why botw is such a special game.
no actually, thread whining is the worst. OP's point is very valid and many people have experienced it. going to other games after botw, even other high budget open world games, it becomes very apparent how far behind botw they are when it comes to traversing the world and the freedom the game gives you. other open world games just feel like linear games set in very big levels.
My only problem with Odyssey was that I would end up in a high spot and would attempt to jump and glide :(
I prefer limitations in games because I think it makes discovery something you earn, but that being said the open world genre was ruined once it became the norm to MMO-ify it (and the MMO genre was ruined once we started to WoW-ify it but that's a seperate note). Basically, the appeal of open world used to be its exploration and immersion, but at some point accessibility and addictiveness became the key pillar of it as we either blindly chase the trends from the pages of Game Design books or publishers meticulously demand that there needs to be some "100 hours played" stat, and developers phoning it in via "collect 1/10" objectives ensues.
BotW does look like the best open world game of this generation but man, that really isn't saying much, is it? It was a relief after the direction the genre has headed in but I actually think it's a rather shallow open world with minimal meaningful things to discover in it, mostly relegating any reward or challenge purely to the boxed-in shrines. I'm playing Monster Hunter World now, which isn't open world, but it has some open spaces and I like its feeling of discovery much better and the very limited climbing solely on vines and ruggy walls. To me world design and discovery is more about planning out the level design in ways that makes some portions of it secrets that you have to pursue rather than simply allowing you to climb over anything to get to the vastest points in the world.
But again, compared to HZD or AC Odyssey or Mass Effect Andromeda, BotW feels way better at open world.
BotW does look like the best open world game of this generation but man, that really isn't saying much, is it? It was a relief after the direction the genre has headed in but I actually think it's a rather shallow open world with minimal meaningful things to discover in it, mostly relegating any reward or challenge purely to the boxed-in shrines. I'm playing Monster Hunter World now, which isn't open world, but it has some open spaces and I like its feeling of discovery much better and the very limited climbing solely on vines and ruggy walls. To me world design and discovery is more about planning out the level design in ways that makes some portions of it secrets that you have to pursue rather than simply allowing you to climb over anything to get to the vastest points in the world.
But again, compared to HZD or AC Odyssey or Mass Effect Andromeda, BotW feels way better at open world.
I agree. It's a weird thing that's been happening especially as of late. Remember when God of War released? Everyone and their mother talked, not about how good it was, but how good it was at the expense of previously thought to be great games in an attempt to say how much better it is.
That's a misguided argument IMO. You're just treading over thigns people love then and as a non-Fan of GoW in general I started disliking the game based on all the crap of "It's not like a video game, it's a REAL GAME" or something.
This whole "this game has ruined other games" idea needs to stop imo. I get where the feeling comes from but the idea that something new and good invalidates the goodness of something older, simpler or less refined is super annoying.
Remember in FF15, a game where you could literally teleport to clifftops, but also you can't jump over the fence that divides the high way and field.
Huh? I'm pretty sure you were able to vault over small barriers and fences in FFXV. The animation was so well made, so I did it all the time.
Exactly lol
"X game made Y game worse because Z mechanic is better in X game is some dumb shit"
There's one stretch of highway that is slightly elevated. You can't get off it by jumping, you have to run all the way back to the stairs and go down that way.
Exactly this. I don't have OP's problem in general, but playing AC Origins after having played BOTW really exposed AC's shit tier climbing mechanics for what they always were. I hope they rethink them for future titles.
Different games have different mechanics,I don't need to be able to climb every surface in a game because you can in BOTW.Games are designed around their own set of mechanics,I really don't get this "game was ruined for me because it didn't have mechanics from another game" attitude at all.
Did I ever feel the need to climb every surface in RDR2....of course not,I had a horse to carry me up all the mountain trails,that's how the game was designed.
There is a lot of climbing in Horizon Zero Dawn and it is in designated places because that aids the way the game is designed,it's not a freeform exploration game,it's more focused on getting you to the points of interest in the map so it gives you the route to get there.....different design mentality.....not sure why people have issues understanding this.
BOTW is a great BOTW game.....it doesn't need to be a template for every other open world game that comes after it.
Did I ever feel the need to climb every surface in RDR2....of course not,I had a horse to carry me up all the mountain trails,that's how the game was designed.
There is a lot of climbing in Horizon Zero Dawn and it is in designated places because that aids the way the game is designed,it's not a freeform exploration game,it's more focused on getting you to the points of interest in the map so it gives you the route to get there.....different design mentality.....not sure why people have issues understanding this.
BOTW is a great BOTW game.....it doesn't need to be a template for every other open world game that comes after it.
Really? Because my thoughts where.
"Oh my, climbing is so much faster in this game."
"Oh, I can climb this even though it is raining, that's nice."
and
"Thank goodness I have a grappling hook to quickly ascend this"
BoTW Climbing is far too slow and frustrating to deal with.
"Oh my, climbing is so much faster in this game."
"Oh, I can climb this even though it is raining, that's nice."
and
"Thank goodness I have a grappling hook to quickly ascend this"
BoTW Climbing is far too slow and frustrating to deal with.
AC parkour is fantastic, What are you talking about. You can climb anything and without much hassle . Thats the point of AC games, player empowerment . Not every single thing needs to adhere to challenge design
Yeah a lot of games felt very antiquated in their traversal after the freedom of BotW.
The good news is, you kind of forget how good it was two years later. I don't have the problem anymore now.
The good news is, you kind of forget how good it was two years later. I don't have the problem anymore now.
I think it perfectly encapuslates the game's tone, that of being this saccharine, slow-paced "breathe in the atmosphere" game and maan I got impatient with this forceful nature of its immersion.
I'll never get tired of crazy BotW stories like these haha! Such a great sense of freedom in that game!
Shit tier climbing? You're nuts. If you turned Origin's climbing required stamina management we'd have a 500hr game on our hands, and an extremely tedious one at that. Also, who wants to play as an Assassin that can't scale the side of a rock without losing grip and falling?
Or how the game was riddled with such fences for no discernable reason, other than to gate where you could and could not go. Though it wasn't BotW that ruined FF15 - it was Xenoblade X.
I recently started Horizon Zero Dawn and the mobility is so horrible compared to BotW. So often I need to climb a rock that's only like 5 feet tall but can't do it. The mechanic of specially marking climbing points with colors feels so antiquated after the free movement of BotW.
I played Assassin's Creed Odyssey right after BOTW so it didn't directly occur to me, but I do recall playing some other open world game after that and jumping onto a wall expecting to grab on...only to remember I couldn't do that anymore xD
So yes, I get you OP
So yes, I get you OP
I never played Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and I didn't knew you could climb like in Breath of the Wild. I always thought people would hate that type of climbing, saying the character was Spider-Man and things like that, when the design was more realistic as opposed to a more cartoonistic one.
Now I want that in Horizon: Zero Dawn 2.
Now I want that in Horizon: Zero Dawn 2.
Tried starting Witcher 3 after BotW and couldn't. I just really wanted to climb everything.
Switched back to finishing Assassin's Creed: Odyssey instead. That was a much smoother transition albeit I still yearned for gliding.
Switched back to finishing Assassin's Creed: Odyssey instead. That was a much smoother transition albeit I still yearned for gliding.
