If you loved the prequels, I could see how you'd love Solo
I don't know that I'd call character arcs and themes filler, Canto blight suffers from bloat but the arcs are there.TLJ isn't well constructed when 2/3 of the film feel like pointless filler. And don't get me wrong, I thought this movie was poor as well. I ultimately couldn't bring myself to care much about either film.
I hear TLJ wasn't as well-received in Germany as compared to America so that might have something to do with it.
Attack of the Clones is at 6.59
And still there are many people who grew up with them and love those movies. It's frustrating that TLJ is some sort of sacred property and everything else Star wars related can be made fun of.
Based Darth Maul.
It was reviewed in a different time, though, when no one would dare to criticize GL.
Not to mention TFA retconned the entire previous movies. Once again I would like to remind everyone that in TFA the entire Republic was wiped out in minutes. The republic the first three movies spent defending, and the next three trying to get back. It is treated as such a non-event in TFA and TLJ that people have forgotten, that this massove catastrophe took place.Yeah. TLJ retconned TFA too. These films feel like JJ and Johnson having an argument and the audience is caught in the middle lol.
I'm so utterly bored by Star Wars right now.
Yeah, because there's no one making fun of TLJ!!And still there are many people who grew up with them and love those movies. It's frustrating that TLJ is some sort of sacred property and everything else Star wars related can be made fun of.
Is it really so hard to imagine not everyone has the same opinion?
There are German critics who think BP is a bad movie because it "supports isolationism" for example, so they completely misinterpreted the whole movie. I haven't seen BP myself JFYI.Because critics are movie critics not Star Wars fans. TFA is a great movie with some pacing problems (which are ten times worse in TROS), TLJ is a great movie and TROS is an awful movie. That all from all that defines a movie independent on what you think the evolution of the Star Wars characters should be.
And WTF at the "Europeans couldn't relate to Black Panther"???
It's frustrating having to deal with this fandom. If a new trilogy came out in 10 years, those same fans would hold this up as better. Because thats just what they do. Hate. And tear down. And suck.And still there are many people who grew up with them and love those movies. It's frustrating that TLJ is some sort of sacred property and everything else Star wars related can be made fun of.
Is it really so hard to imagine not everyone has the same opinion?
Star Wars being a battleground for culture wars is peak internet stupidity. It feels like an unfortunate side effect of dumb alt righters hating on Tran's characters made this movie become a supposed litmus test of your political affiliation. In the real world of course people like/dislike the movie in a way that is largely uncorrelated with political affiliation. I found both TFA/TLJ entertaining enough (both better than prequels ) - I hate that they are inconsistent with each other. TFA is a uncreative rehash with very nice characters, TLJ is a significantly more daring and creative outing with terrible humor and what in my mind a couple of terrible writing decisions (the worst is turning luke into an effective McGuffin)I don't get why liking TLJ is conflated with wokeness.
I'm deeply sad about the shit Kelly Marie Tran had to go through because of being in an awful movie but that doesn't really make me think the movie is good. Just that the creators let her and many others in the cast down.
My issue with the chase scene is there's no sense of speed or urgency, what with small ships flying in and out of the combat zone like they're going to starbucks.I don't know that I'd call character arcs and themes filler, Canto blight suffers from bloat but the arcs are there.
It's just the pacing and execution are rough is all. Shave down that Canto Blight part and make Holdo less stupid and the chase scene isn't as bad.
To be fair small ships have a habit of doing this.What I find funny about the 'TROS is all on JJ' argument is the same complaint of being dealt a bad hand is made for TLJ in regards to TFA's ending plot threads, and the same deterministic sentiment is echoed. So there is a group of people who believe that TLJ was dealt a bad hand but
My issue with the chase scene is there's no sense of speed or urgency, what with small ships flying in and out of the combat zone like they're going to starbucks.
To be fair, he revives them brilliantly first, before ruining them again..
Good job JJ, that's Trek and now Wars. What other Sci fi franchises can you ruin?
What I find funny about the 'TROS is all on JJ' argument is the same complaint of being dealt a bad hand is made for TLJ in regards to TFA's ending plot threads, and the same deterministic sentiment is echoed. So there is a group of people who believe that TLJ was dealt a bad hand but there's also people thinking TROS was dealt a bad hand. I think that argument is pretty defunct. The 'hand' doesn't determine how good a movie is gonna be.
My issue with the chase scene is there's no sense of speed or urgency, what with small ships flying in and out of the combat zone like they're going to starbucks.
It's the hope that gets you!To be fair, he revives them brilliantly first, before ruining them again.
Nope, fuck them for holding TFA on a pedestal above it when it was all questions and no answers then they got pissed when they got answers they didn't like.I hope this is sarcasm because my eyeballs nearly rolled out of their sockets.
I don't mean Era ONLY likes it. I'm just saying this is the place I see with the most defenders. Not an insult or anything really, just an observation.
I will never not find the fact that some people have this as a legitimate reading of the film hilarious.
I knew some people were going to blame Rian Johnson for this mess.
Yeah I know lol, but seeing the small ships just kinda moving along as the capital ship gets bombarded while moving relatively much, much slower was funny to see.To be fair small ships have a habit of doing this.
RotS
ANH
ESB
TFA
There's precedent. :P
That really isn't here nor there with regards to a director being given a bad hand and that forcing them to make their movie a certain way. Nothing is forcing them. Not JJ, and not Johnson. And I think both would agree and own their work.At the very basic level TFA ends with a cliffhanger while TLJ doesn't.
A good movie = good photography, good dialogues, acting, pacing, plot...
Actually, the most important thing a movie should be is entertaining. Most people don't give a shit about all the other stuff you listed if they enjoy a movie.
I don't blame him specifically, but I do blame Disney. It's a terrible idea to have two directors with vastly different visions try to make a trilogy.I knew some people were going to blame Rian Johnson for this mess.
What I find funny about the 'TROS is all on JJ' argument is the same complaint of being dealt a bad hand is made for TLJ in regards to TFA's ending plot threads, and the same deterministic sentiment is echoed. So there is a group of people who believe that TLJ was dealt a bad hand but there's also people thinking TROS was dealt a bad hand. I think that argument is pretty defunct. The 'hand' doesn't determine how good a movie is gonna be.
My issue with the chase scene is there's no sense of speed or urgency, what with small ships flying in and out of the combat zone like they're going to starbucks.
I disagree with this narrative somewhat. I don't think Johnson has tried to 'disrespect' Abrams' vision. I think he genuinely tried to answer the questions posed in TFA in a way that he deemed to be most satisfying to the audience.I don't blame him specifically, but I do blame Disney. It's a terrible idea to have two directors with vastly different visions try to make a trilogy.
Either have Abrams or Johnson do the whole thing start to finish. Because it's obvious neither were willing to work together.
Yeah, I don't agree. At least, not completely. For the most part, sure, but stuff like Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder and Snoke being a nobody felt like deliberate attempts at Johnson trashing Abrams plot threads.I don't think Johnson has tried to 'disrespect' Abrams' vision. I think he genuinely tried to answer the questions posed in TFA in a way that he deemed to be most satisfying to the audience.
To be fair, Rose being sidelined is most likely the result of her character not being that interesting in the first place in TLJ. It's always been about the trio of Rey, Finn, and Poe.
They weren't a trio until this film, so no, not really.To be fair, Rose being sidelined is most likely the result of her character not being that interesting in the first place in TLJ. It's always been about the trio of Rey, Finn, and Poe.
You're probably right about that one. It'd also make Kylo's redemption a sensible arc in TLJ...which he threw away as well in that film.Yeah, I don't agree. At least, not completely. For the most part, sure, but stuff like Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder and Snoke being a nobody felt like deliberate attempts at Johnson trashing Abrams plot threads.
I mean, would Palpatine even need to come back if Johnson did something more interesting with Snoke?
Probably not, but I'll probably catch heat for that opinion.
Yeah ok well, if only being entertained matters then a lot of movies are great.Actually, the most important thing a movie should be is entertaining. Most people don't give a shit about all the other stuff you listed if they enjoy a movie.
Yeah ok well, if only being entertained matters then a lot of movies are great.
Just TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF and enjoy!!!I'm so curious what the discourse around the film will be. At least with TLJ the people
who adored could point to attempts to tackle deep, unconventional ( for SW) themes. This is it really going to be nothing but " Crowd pleaser/I was entertained/
It's fun/ ITS ABOUT SPACE WIZARDS FFS/pure SW fan love" like... is that going to be the level of positive analysis and critique we will be getting ? Is that what we've been reduced to because if so yiiiiiikes
There's a cheap "gotcha" near the start and the emotional impact is taken away literally minutes later. Awful, awful movie.
The fact that this disagreement was even allowed is a travesty and a huge blunder from Kennedy/Disney. Multi billion dollar project hinges on two bickering directors. SmhA lot of things that JJ set to be important like Rey's parents or Luke receiving the lightsaber, Rian thought was trash and threw that stuff in the bin. I think that was the right call on Rian's part. The problem is that Kennedy went back to JJ which makes me think that Kennedy either got blowback about TLJ from someone or the themes went over her head or whatever. In any case, picking JJ to pick up after TLJ seems to have been the absolutely wrong call as why would JJ play along with a movie that so strongly disagrees with what JJ feels SW is?
Palpatine didn't need to come back even with what Johnson did with Snoke and it's response.I mean, would Palpatine even need to come back if Johnson did something more interesting with Snoke?
Don't flatter the spiciness of your own take :PYeah, I don't agree. At least, not completely. For the most part, sure, but stuff like Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder and Snoke being a nobody felt like deliberate attempts at Johnson trashing Abrams plot threads.
I mean, would Palpatine even need to come back if Johnson did something more interesting with Snoke?
Probably not, but I'll probably catch heat for that opinion.
Only for TROS to introduce a new female interest for Finn to get distracted by? Finn had nothing to do in TROS but run behind Rey and scream her name once in a while. The female distraction could just as easily have been Rose again.To be fair, Rose being sidelined is most likely the result of her character not being that interesting in the first place in TLJ. It's always been about the trio of Rey, Finn, and Poe.