The Xbox Series S will be cheaper than a vial of Insulin in the USA
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I was thinking that, insulin would no longer be under patient so far cheaper generics should be available?
"But where do we stop?!?!, is everything supposed to be free??" That's what I'm tired off :)
For insulin (and many other drugs) specifically this isn't the case. Regardless of insurance you're still getting screwed by the whole system.
We know single payer is the most effective system and there is no good reason every politician shouldn't be on board.
What in the world, what a sad state of affairs. That's America and Big Pharma for you.
And hear, hear. Thanks God for the NHS. Even if Boris and his fucking cronies want to relax shit and bring more privatisation in so more American companies can enter the space to increase prices. Fuck Boris.
And hear, hear. Thanks God for the NHS. Even if Boris and his fucking cronies want to relax shit and bring more privatisation in so more American companies can enter the space to increase prices. Fuck Boris.
Outside of a couple of large cities, a well established public transportation system (trains, subways, buses, etc.) seems to be almost nonexistent or very poorly run. And as a result, owning a car is a complete necessity, especially if your workplace is rather far away from where you live. And the US is the only developed country in the world where there's no federal law mandating paid sick days and paid holidays.
I'm colombian and i would say we have better healthcare than the US
Dude I can go to a public hospital in a few hours and get checked for free, how is my country's healthcare worse than the US one?
Also insulin is free here
Thanks for that. Hmm biosimilars right now are far harder to make generics of than traditional chemical based drugs. And yea a gov funded insurance provider would really help with the price due to it having far larger bargaining power than any single private's one.
And while there is some greed involved, drugs are really expensive to develop. It's about $1.5 billion per drug than enters the market.
I'm Australian and it's similar here, yet no one is called us not first world.
Except unlike the US, Australia does have federally mandated paid sick days and paid holidays (I'm not just talking about federal holidays by the way).
Ad mentioned in the video insulin sold in the US has largely been unchanged for almost 40 years. No one is arguing companies shouldn't be able to cover the cost of R&D, many life saving drugs have already done that and yet are sold at a premium simply because the system enables it.
I'm not saying there's many ways the US couldn't improve, just saying it's not a developed nation is absurd.
Oh I agree that this thing with insulin shouldn't be occurring, I'm very surprised it is how it currently is. Something does need to be done about it. The extra stuff I talked about is because I see people talking about an industry they don't really understand, which can get a little annoying.
So, if you can't pay 324$ a week, you are let to die?
I can't even believe this is allowed. No having a free national health system is already fucked up and should put a big warning into every country considered "developed", but I couldn't imagine it was as bad as this...
I can't even believe this is allowed. No having a free national health system is already fucked up and should put a big warning into every country considered "developed", but I couldn't imagine it was as bad as this...
If she's buying a vial of insulin every week she's managing her diabetes very wrong.
Are you suggesting that you're taking 200 units of insulin a day? Whew... get to a doctor.
Are you suggesting that you're taking 200 units of insulin a day? Whew... get to a doctor.
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$324?
That almost half of what I get in "can't-work-disability-money" each month
(Around €700)
And $1296 each month is even double of that
No wonder americans are so crazy scared of losing their jobs right now
That almost half of what I get in "can't-work-disability-money" each month
(Around €700)
And $1296 each month is even double of that
No wonder americans are so crazy scared of losing their jobs right now
Absolutely unfathomable. I'm pretty sure it isn't free as an Australian, but afaik it's significantly subsidised.
Both Disney World and Universal Orlando uses Cigna as their healthcare provider with the former having a Union.
Disney's Cigna Open Access Plus has:
Deductible:$1200/1600
Preventive Care: plan pays 100%
Emergency/ Urgent : Pays 70% after deductible and a separate deductible of $150 for Emergency and $50(Waived if admitted)
Behavioral Health: Plan pays 70% a after deductible for in and out patients
Out of pocket is :$4000/8000
Prescription drugs
Generic: $4 copay
Brand: Pay 35% copay up of a cost up to $80
Home Delivery:
Generic: $8 copay
Brand: Pay 30% up to a cost of $160
Universal's Cigna Open Access Plus
Deductible: $300
Urgent Care:$40
Preventive Care: $0
Emergency Care: $150
Behavioral Health: 10%
Out of pocket is :$4700/9000
Prescription drugs
In network pharmacies
Generic: $15
Brand: $30 + 15% Max per Rx: $85
Brand(Not preferred): $50 + 15% Max per Rx: $100
Anyone outside the US following? I really hate writing all this down and don't want to repeat this.
I can't say how it is living in the Europe or Canada but stay away from the US.
Disney's Cigna Open Access Plus has:
Deductible:$1200/1600
Preventive Care: plan pays 100%
Emergency/ Urgent : Pays 70% after deductible and a separate deductible of $150 for Emergency and $50(Waived if admitted)
Behavioral Health: Plan pays 70% a after deductible for in and out patients
Out of pocket is :$4000/8000
Prescription drugs
Generic: $4 copay
Brand: Pay 35% copay up of a cost up to $80
Home Delivery:
Generic: $8 copay
Brand: Pay 30% up to a cost of $160
Universal's Cigna Open Access Plus
Deductible: $300
Urgent Care:$40
Preventive Care: $0
Emergency Care: $150
Behavioral Health: 10%
Out of pocket is :$4700/9000
Prescription drugs
In network pharmacies
Generic: $15
Brand: $30 + 15% Max per Rx: $85
Brand(Not preferred): $50 + 15% Max per Rx: $100
Anyone outside the US following? I really hate writing all this down and don't want to repeat this.
I can't say how it is living in the Europe or Canada but stay away from the US.
Ha i dont...but that was the info my buddy told me. Assume it could come in different sizes? Idk.
GDP per capita isn't a very useful metric when measuring the quality of life.
How do (white) Americans put up with their family members dying from COVID19?
How America has been reacting to this pandemic really has become the tell-all sign about this nation.
It is apparent that who ever is on top of the food chain in this world are the ones who set the rules and expectations.
The folly of empires.
Yeah, the price of insulin in the USA is absolutely ridicolous and more often than not, on subreddits like the one for T1Ds you see folks actually having to ask for help in affording it or trying to get their hands on cheaper insulin to get by.
Which sometimes... doesn't end well. It's absolutely fucked when you consider T1Ds have no means of returning to a prediabetic state like T2Ds have as their pancreas just decided to stop producing insulin altogether for no known reason, so the price of insulin is effectively is the price of their life and many T1Ds in USA struggle with affording it. They don't have a choice not to bother as the alternative is death, and that is absolutely fucked. That's why I also hate when folks drop jokes about diabetes given how much these folks struggle, but that's a story for another thread I suppose.
PS: To clarify, T1D is Type 1 Diabetic, T2D is Type 2 Diabetic.
Which sometimes... doesn't end well. It's absolutely fucked when you consider T1Ds have no means of returning to a prediabetic state like T2Ds have as their pancreas just decided to stop producing insulin altogether for no known reason, so the price of insulin is effectively is the price of their life and many T1Ds in USA struggle with affording it. They don't have a choice not to bother as the alternative is death, and that is absolutely fucked. That's why I also hate when folks drop jokes about diabetes given how much these folks struggle, but that's a story for another thread I suppose.
PS: To clarify, T1D is Type 1 Diabetic, T2D is Type 2 Diabetic.
Omg , I have no words for the health system in the US :S, consumer goods seem to be cheap, but healthcare is really expensive. People should have access to free healthcare, and education, and also the right to a decent housing (this is whats puts "more or less" in the Spanish constitution.) Its a pitty that houses are becoming really steep (In comparison to salaries) in the last 5-15 years though.
This is true, though many people on the other side have been arming themselves recently, especially minorities. If push comes to shove, there's no doubt even leftists will have no issue taking up arms.
And yes, it's amazing how easily the rich were able to turn the poor/middle class against each other in order to maintain their wealth and dominance. Though a large part of that is due to racism; it's one hell of a drug.
Have you been to rural Mississippi? I have.
I can assure you that it's quite poor. I'm talking "people living in run-down mobile homes, sometimes without running water" poor. Same goes for Alabama and other surrounding states.
There are parts of the US that are definitely analogous to developing countries. Even the UN said as much.
America is very much a Tale of Two Cities. Yes, there plenty of areas that flourish and have very high standards of living like much of the west coast and the north east (if you can afford it of course), but there are also areas with extreme poverty (parts of the south east, areas of the midwest) much like you'd see in less fortunate countries. GDP doesn't mean anything when the wealth disparity is as wide as it is in the US.
Jesus, that is what without insurance?
I pay 4€ for case that lasts me a week.
First of all, "3rd world" and "developing country" are very broad terms that aren't good to describe a country's reality and it's being used pretty much as shorthand for a place that's poor or has terrible living conditions.
There's a lot more than GDP to a country. We could compare gun death numbers, quality of education, obesity, infant mortality, number of incarcerated people, life expectancy etc. There are a lot of metrics where USA falls behind so called 3rd world countries (it's definitely the case for infant mortality off the top of my hand). In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the developed country with the highest levels of poverty, or close to that.
Anyway, my point is actually that there is a lot of extreme poverty in the US and there are many areas where living conditions are atrocious. My phone's screen is busted so getting sources right now is hard, but there are plenty of towns, especially in the South, that are poor as fuck. Rural areas and towns that relied on factory jobs suffered a lot, for example. I'm sure there are communities near the border in Texas that live without running water or electricity in terrible houses. Does Flint, Michigan even have clean water yet? What about the response to disasters in places like Puerto Rico or New Orleans? These weren't the responses of a rich, developed country.
Roads, dams, railroads, bridges- USA's infrastructure is crumbling, as is the intellectual one, considering the state the education is in. It's a gigantic country, with a lot of space for people to live isolated and to be ignored by the authorities and media. US has been growing by concentrating capital at the top (aka GDP means jack shit) to the detriment of almost everything else and that has created a lot of abject poverty.
I do and it sucks, luckily I have good insurance but it should 100% be free for anyone who needs. Other country's are much better at this stuff then the US
I almost got a cerebral aneurism after trying to process all of that random jargon. Good thing is that I can call an ambulance, get surgery and any other medical treatments needed for said aneurism, enjoy my undoubtedly long stay at the hospital and come home with most, if not all expenses covered. The same applies to everyone in this country.
From someone who was born and raised in Portugal and now lives in Germany, two countries with fantastic healthcare, I can't begin to express how sorry I am that you are in that shitty situation. Hope you folks manage to turn that around someday.
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so "working at intended" smh
I worked in a pharmacy in the 90s and insulin was waaaay cheaper. i know they went away from animal insulin, not sure if that matters
Lilly CEO David Ricks snags $17.2M pay package for 2018, a 9% hike
Eli Lilly CEO David Ricks, in his second year on the job, snared a larger pay package than those of a few of his Big Pharma peers. And it's not far shy of the amount his predecessor, John Lechleiter, hauled in for his final—and eighth—year as Lilly chief.
www.fiercepharma.com
Makes me want to vomit.
Big Pharma need to be brought down.Lilly CEO David Ricks snags $17.2M pay package for 2018, a 9% hike
Eli Lilly CEO David Ricks, in his second year on the job, snared a larger pay package than those of a few of his Big Pharma peers. And it's not far shy of the amount his predecessor, John Lechleiter, hauled in for his final—and eighth—year as Lilly chief.
Makes me want to vomit.
Changes in this world have to be made before it's to late for everyone.
Yep Medicine in the US is a disaster... I suffer from Psoriatic Arthritis and Psoriasis. My base medicine is $4400 a MONTH... luckily through the company I get it from it is far cheaper.. for 3 years.. then I am screwed or I have to swtich. It is evil... if I do not get this shot once a month my body is covered in scales and every joint in my body starts to freeze up and fill me with horrific pain.
Oh and the healthcare plan I have paid into for 22 years at work and hardly every used.. Denied the shit out of me instantly when submitted.
Oh and the healthcare plan I have paid into for 22 years at work and hardly every used.. Denied the shit out of me instantly when submitted.
As a Californian, there are times where I wish we had a legal path to secede from the US. With one of the top 10 economies in the world and Silicon Valley, I think we could figure out shit like Universal Healthcare and sensible gun control.
Considering you obviously pay taxes over there, yet have poor electric grid infrastructure, poor road infrastructure, a seemingly broken funding system for public schools and no free universal healthcare, what do your taxes even go to? The US military?
Can I get some of the very powerful drugs that Timmy was on while tweeting that bullshit? I too want to visit this magical dreamland he's speaking of... but I guess that only works when you're rich ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯