Because servers get paid $3 an hour and deserve compensation if you are privelaged enough to go enjoy a meal at a sit down restaurant.
If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip 20%. If you can't afford the 20%, don't eat out.I should probably note that I generally don't eat out unless I'm going somewhere nice, so we're not talking $3 tips here.
If you're scraping by, you don't need to be eating out.Dawg, tips are optional. If you don't got it, you don't got it. I feel bad for people scraping by who think they need to tip 20% or get looked at as the bad guy.
Sure, if you straight up can't afford to tip, and want to enjoy a night out, I doubt anyone's going to rail on you.Dawg, tips are optional. If you don't got it, you don't got it. I feel bad for people scraping by who think they need to tip 20% or get looked at as the bad guy.
Because servers get paid $3 an hour and deserve compensation if you are privelaged enough to go enjoy a meal at a sit down restaurant.
That's fine, as long as those that refuse to tip stay out of restaurants where they're expected.
If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip 20%. If you can't afford the 20%, don't eat out.
Cool, that's a shitty thing to do though.
You are allowed to tip less for bad service. That is kind of the point. But it needs to be
1. Actually the servers fault
2. If you forgo the tip entirely the server needs to have been like ABSURDLY bad.
If you got some white boomer lady standards and are not tipping well you will come off as an asshole.
If you are not tipping because you are morally opposed to it, or you can't afford it (at a sit down restaurant where you are served) than you are 100% an asshole.
Sure. Have fun, just pay for it.Nah, I don't agree with this at all. Poor people can have fun too.
20% isn't generous. It's the minimum. Stop being a stingy asshole to servers.As I said, I typically tip 20%, but I'm sorry, if service is bad, don't expect a generous tip.
You're penalizing the server for the kitchen's fuck up. Think about that.No.
I got a meatball hardened as rock and the waiter barely tended us.
The manager apologized and took my spaghetti off the bill but I still tipped 10%.
I thought I was being way too nice.
She didn't come to take my order 10 minutes after we took seat.You're penalizing the server for the kitchen's fuck up. Think about that.
Cool, that's a shitty thing to do though.
edit: I think of it like this. I can sit down, eat at a table in McDonalds, and leave my trash on the table/floor when I leave right? I mean, that's technically how it works and it's what the employees are paid to do (clean the restaurant). But that doesn't make it not shitty.
20% isn't generous. It's the minimum. Stop being a stingy asshole to servers.
ok? so tip 20%She didn't come to take my order 10 minutes after we took seat.
She didn't come once to ask if we needed anything or just to refill my cup of water.
20% is easier to calculate and is more in line with the cost of living and lack in rise in wages.bullshit. 15% been the standard as long as I've been going to restaurants.
Again, though in most states on the coast they are mandated to make at least minimum wage. Can I withhold some tips? And if the argument is well minimum wage isn't enough to live on, why not tip everyone who makes minimum wage?
Like I said before, I tip but it's because it's customary, and the custom is 15% baseline at a sit down restaurant (though I usually go 20 unless service is blatantly bad, like they forget about us).
I'd love to see the justification for why the baseline is somehow now 20%, and don't tell me inflation because it's not like the cost of eating out hasn't gone up with inflation.
Again, though in most states on the coast they are mandated to make at least minimum wage. Can I withhold some tips? And if the argument is well minimum wage isn't enough to live on, why not tip everyone who makes minimum wage?
Like I said before, I tip but it's because it's customary, and the custom is 15% baseline at a sit down restaurant (though I usually go 20 unless service is blatantly bad, like they forget about us).
I'd love to see the justification for why the baseline is somehow now 20%, and don't tell me inflation because it's not like the cost of eating out hasn't gone up with inflation.
ok? so tip 20%
20% is easier to calculate and is more in line with the cost of living and lack in rise in wages.
Sure. I'm all for it. But holding out on a tip today isn't going to send a message to anyone but the person serving you.vote for people that will introduce a law that disallows counting tips as part of their base earnings.
Cost of living has gone up, while wages for that type of labor have not. That's why some suggest 20%, and why, in 5-10 years time, if nothing changes, people will suggest 25% as the new baseline, then 30%... and so on... until the system implodes and we can start over, or whatever.I'd love to see the justification for why the baseline is somehow now 20%, and don't tell me inflation because it's not like the cost of eating out hasn't gone up with inflation.
Cost of living has gone up, while wages for that type of labor have not. That's why some suggest 20%, and why, in 5-10 years time, if nothing changes, people will suggest 25% as the new baseline, then 30%... and so on... until the system implodes and we can start over, or whatever.
I think that not tipping at a "tipping expected" restaurant that pays its servers less than minimum wage doesn't do anything to solve the issue. In fact, the only person it hurts is the person serving you as the business that incorporates this unfair practice is still getting your time and money....you clear off your own table at restaurants? You go to Cheesecake Factory and throw away all your trash and put the dishes in a bin?
I personally prefer the no tip system, but I'm more of a socialist and think everyone should pay into the same service instead of hoping that trickle down economics is enough.
I understand wages not going up. But the cost of food/dining out has gone up, so that means that the amount of money made from the 15% has gone up as well, so why is the baseline going up? Or is cost of dining out stagnant? I know it seems almost prohibitively expensive for me, but I've also added kids in the past decade or so which also raises the cost, so maybe I just have no idea?
I think that not tipping at a "tipping expected" restaurant that pays its servers less than minimum wage doesn't do anything to solve the issue. In fact, the only person it hurts is the person serving you as the business that incorporates this unfair practice is still getting your time and money.
and no, There isn't a societal expectation that you clear your table after eating at a sit down restaurant. There is an expectation that you clear your table at a fast food place however, which is why I would never leave my trash on a table at a fast food place even though it's "allowed".
You're right, we don't pay $15 for a McDonald burger partially because the price of the food reflects the level of service we expect. We also pay a flat fee there and behave as expected.
That's why we should do away with tipping expected restaurants. Many Michelin places also have fixed service fees.
Tipping culture hurts servers at the expense of the restaurant owner. Restaurant owners need to be forced to pay their workers living wages and to take the effort to figure out what appropriate prices should be. Restaurant patrons will pay the price by increased food cost, but then every person that eats there will contribute to the service.
I don't understand why people cling to tipping. It benefits the least amount of people. Move to fixed pricing and so many problems disappear.
10% was the norm at one point...This percentage creep is amazing. It's not like the cost of food has held steady either. I predict we'll have a debate on 50% being the bare minimum in my lifetime.
You're right, we don't pay $15 for a McDonald burger partially because the price of the food reflects the level of service we expect. We also pay a flat fee there and behave as expected.
That's why we should do away with tipping expected restaurants. Many Michelin places also have fixed service fees.
Tipping culture hurts servers at the expense of the restaurant owner. Restaurant owners need to be forced to pay their workers living wages and to take the effort to figure out what appropriate prices should be. Restaurant patrons will pay the price by increased food cost, but then every person that eats there will contribute to the service.
I don't understand why people cling to tipping. It benefits the least amount of people. Move to fixed pricing and so many problems disappear.