FreezePeach

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With the state of DC movies and restricted DC TV(Smallvile, Birds of Prey through Arrowverse) i'd gladly take this DC setup because we sure as heck would never get to someone like Donna Troy or Rose Wilson and Jason Todd would be a long stretch let alone him getting proper development
If they did actually get a movie we'd have to wait years for sequels for certain characters.

Titans specifically needed a stronger connection than the Netflix stuff as well because they are side kicks.
but if Titans was based on the DCEU Dick, Jason and Deathstroke would be in a purgatory atm.
I mean i dont know anywhere that level of detail like you, was just speaking as someone that has seen the movies and Titans and Doom and was curious whats going on because the shows are pretty darn good. Ive seen some of the CW stuff too obviously which is why im trying to separate out the DC properties and licensing situation.
 
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Lmao are we actually getting people saying they should've tried to MCU this show. No way. A proper continuity with Doom Patrol should've been a thing, but it's perfectly fine this is separate from the films.

Netflix Marvel started and ended before the Arrowverse cancelled a single show. We'll see how Disney+ goes but so far all their attempts to link films to TV have been terrible. I think Shield completely ignored the snap? These would be lesser, more restricted shows if they were forced to adapt to the film continuity.
 
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Doom Patrol connection absolutely should have been a thing considering Titans spent an episode establishing it.
its so weird and different I guess I can understand them wanting it separate. Just sad a good Cyborg is basically locked in by it.

They said Stargirl is is definitely open to a connection so im just going to keep hoping Artemis shows up there and eventually comes over.
 

Joni

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It is not that hard, there are simply three independent universes: Arrowverse, MovieVerse and StreamingVerse. Two out of these three are a hit, two out of these three are made by Berlanti. Get a clue Warner!

They did the same thing with the Marvel Netflix shows, but they handled it in a way that i think came out on top making them look like they still fit confortably in the same universe. Like, they mention 'big green guy' and have a newspaper clipping of the 'NY battle', but werent allowed to name names. In the case of DC you have whole different actors competing now.
Marvel was fine, until the movie guys revealed they didn't give a fuck about any of the fanfiction Netflix or ABC were making.
 

FreezePeach

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Marvel was fine, until the movie guys revealed they didn't give a fuck about any of the fanfiction Netflix or ABC were making.
Marvel seems largely unaffected by conflicts as far as what ive seen so far. Definitely in the Netflix space. They are loosely agnostic to each other. Agent Carter was fine and in the past. Shield is the only one i havent watched all the way though, so might be some details problems there, even though they share a character. D+ is basically gonna end up solidifying that model as superior in the end id be willing to bet. They went top down with the whole thing, basically bringing the film actors to TV and trying to match film quality. DC is stuck in a mess right now thats not coherent at all because they've rebooted too many times.

Still though, there was clear planning to make some type of connective universe a thing between Doom Patrol and TItans. Got at least one episode out of it.
 
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Marvel seems largely unaffected by conflicts as far as what ive seen so far. Definitely in the Netflix space. They are loosely agnostic to each other. Agent Carter was fine and in the past. Shield is the only one i havent watched all the way though, so might be some details problems there, even though they share a character. D+ is basically gonna end up solidifying that model as superior in the end id be willing to bet. They went top down with the whole thing, basically bringing the film actors to TV and trying to match film quality. DC is stuck in a mess right now thats not coherent at all because they've rebooted too many times.
DC isn't a mess right now though.

The CW is it's own universe and extremely successful (live viewers is not the metric here).

DC Universe is it's own loose universe, other than Swamp Thing it's been fine.

The DCEU movies are their own universe, except Joker. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are big hits, the films will be fine.

Titans literally couldn't exist if it were part of the DCEU. Arrowverse had a whole lot of worldbuilding opportunities afforded it by starting small with Arrow and no other baggage. You're basically just assuming Disney+ is the superior model despite the fact that DC's TV shows are in a much better place than anything Marvel related. There's no Kevin Feige to guide DC's film universe either, whereas Greg Berlanti is doing a perfectly fine job wrangling all the TV stuff.
 

Joni

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Marvel seems largely unaffected by conflicts as far as what I've seen so far. Definitely in the Netflix space. They are loosely agnostic to each other. Agent Carter was fine and in the past. Shield is the only one i havent watched all the way though, so might be some details problems there, even though they share a character. D+ is basically gonna end up solidifying that model as superior in the end id be willing to bet. They went top down with the whole thing, basically bringing the film actors to TV and trying to match film quality. DC is stuck in a mess right now thats not coherent at all because they've rebooted too many times.

Still though, there was clear planning to make some type of connective universe a thing between Doom Patrol and TItans. Got at least one episode out of it.
Agents of SHIELD has stopped pretending in the wake of Infinity War. Netflix shows weren't compatible with a universe where everything happened in New York. Agent Carter did fit, but that one was Feig created. Disney+ is the answer to the problems that their previous shows had. And it is going to be a question if that will work.
 
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Two out of these three are a hit, two out of these three are made by Berlanti. Get a clue Warner!
Not their fault exactly but
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Berlanti was a producer
while Berlanti and Guggenheim were story and screenplay writers.

Even had the director of GoldenEye and Casino Royale and was still managed to be ruined.
 

Joni

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Their script was supposedly - according to the people who have read it - awesome before the rewrites though.
 
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Not their fault exactly but
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Berlanti was a producer
while Berlanti and Guggenheim were story and screenplay writers.
But Green Lantern is a great one to point to. I got fired from that movie as a writer and as a director, and yet my name was all over it. I still get blamed for it, even though I had nothing to do with the finished product. As Marc Guggenheim always says, there's a very Google-able script that we did write that was not executed that I still stand by. But at the time, I thought, "Oh God, that noose will hang around my neck my whole life."
 

Joni

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At least he was wrong about the noose always being around the neck.
Majority completely forget about that movie now because of BvS,JL, SS and the CW stuff being extremely successful.
People do tend to forgive you 'your mistakes' when you're running ten shows at the same time. That sounds like an exaggeration, but it is actually an understatement, he has 12 shows now...
 

FreezePeach

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DC isn't a mess right now though.

The CW is it's own universe and extremely successful (live viewers is not the metric here).

DC Universe is it's own loose universe, other than Swamp Thing it's been fine.

The DCEU movies are their own universe, except Joker. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are big hits, the films will be fine.

Titans literally couldn't exist if it were part of the DCEU. Arrowverse had a whole lot of worldbuilding opportunities afforded it by starting small with Arrow and no other baggage. You're basically just assuming Disney+ is the superior model despite the fact that DC's TV shows are in a much better place than anything Marvel related. There's no Kevin Feige to guide DC's film universe either, whereas Greg Berlanti is doing a perfectly fine job wrangling all the TV stuff.

Yes well, let's just say when it comes to the CW arrowverse, i'll generously say i enjoyed the first seasons of Arrow and Flash when i didnt know any better as to the potential of the hero genre on TV.

As for Titans and Doom Patrol? Genuinely interesting shows so far and share a very similar quality, right down to the film stock used. Which really was what got me asking the questions here in the first place, since these are the shows i just assumed they were getting serious about and tieing into the films but apparently not.
 
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You have to read his post slightly different, there is a hard stop between "SS and the CW stuff being"... He is basically saying, between Snyder's flops and Berlanti's TV successes people have forgotten Green Lantern.
Yes, thank you.

Yes well, let's just say when it comes to the CW arrowverse, i'll generously say i enjoyed the first seasons of Arrow and Flash when i didnt know any better as to the potential of the hero genre on TV.

As for Titans and Doom Patrol? Genuinely interesting shows so far and share a very similar quality, right down to the film stock used. Which really was what got me asking the questions here in the first place, since these are the shows i just assumed they were getting serious about and tieing into the films but apparently not.
DC adaptations are probably just too widespread for WB to attempt that.
They could probably start with the arrival of HBO Max but then you bump into stuff like Joker, WW84 being referred to as standalone or Birds of Prey saying Batman disappeared.
just a minefield for a mass audience that is best to avoid.

In a perfect world though, we'd get a show like this but then if something huge happened like Trigon escaping the season ends and then a Teen Titans vs Justice League : Trigon's Reign hits theaters soon after.
Really thats would I would have liked for MCU Spiderman as well.
 
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That was some good ass CGI. As much as this was meant to be the finale, it's odd how much it does work as a premiere.
 

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BVS and JL were failures

BvS was most definitely not a failure. Lets not try and rewrite history like this place loves doing. Once again, I dont know why people love saying this shit. DC is not a mess.

The CW shows are extremely popular. Why do some people just not acknowledge them.

Anyway, I do think that this show would work great in a film universe because it looks so good.
 

Sou Da

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I don't think this should be some big interconnected thing but I think WB's allergy to putting the batfamily on the big screen should probably come to an end.
 

Keym

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What's this talk about DP and Titans not being connected after all? Did Berlanti confirmed it?

I need Cyborg to join the Titans. :(
 

Chiaroscuro

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What's this talk about DP and Titans not being connected after all? Did Berlanti confirmed it?

I need Cyborg to join the Titans. :(

Not connected. All shows exist in their own reality, like a Earth-?? in the comics. DP, Titans and Young Justice each has its own "Earth". Warner shows are also on separated Universe(s) that are merging now.
 

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BvS was most definitely not a failure. Lets not try and rewrite history like this place loves doing. Once again, I dont know why people love saying this shit. DC is not a mess.

It may not have technically lost money, but for a film with Batman and Superman to not break a billion is a massive failure. It was also a critical failure and led to Justice League straight up bombing. Not even WB would argue that it was a mess at that point.
 

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So, no one upset about the retcons? Season 1, the word Titans wasnt mentioned at all. Hawk, Dove, and Robin occasionally teamed up. Thats about it.
 
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Why is kid flash everywhere on youtube channels talking about news on this show?
Its been a thing since before S1.
Originally speculation was that he'd be teased at the end of S1,
then it was he'd be in S2 flashbacks
then Wally was supposed to be on Stargirl
now people are suggesting the end of S2 sets him up

Personally think we get Roy first
 

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At least he was wrong about the noose always being around the neck.
Majority completely forget about that movie now with the disappointments of BvS,JL, SS and the CW stuff being extremely successful.
People keep trying to say BvS and SS were disappointments when the reality keeps pushing back against it. JL is the only disappointing DCEU film for many reasons by almost all groups. Everything else was outright successful in both theater and home video runs. That BvS still lives rent free in so many minds is a big deal even if some still want to try and hang an F on it and push an untrue narrative. Same for SS where by any metric that film was a smash success. A success that happen in the wake of BvS too! Same with Wonder Woman! I still hold that had Snyder's JL film actually been released as he filmed it it would have been more successful. Would it have hit a billion? Maybe not. Would many critics have hated it? Likely but they didn't like the Frankenstein monster that was JL much more anyway. I do feel it at least would have matched BvS and maybe out did it. It's home sales would have matched as well and there would be a LOT more people signing it's praises where as JL currently is seen as a disappointment by many, no hardcore fans of it and those that went to bat for and loved MoS, BvS, WW, and AM don't even want it grouped with those films.

With what takes place in Doom Patrol they can easily connect it to Titans and even Stargirl in the end. While Doom Patrol did it's own thing it wouldn't take much to connect the two shows properly. If anything right now they're Earth 1 and Earth 2ing it right now. Worlds very similar with some differences.
 
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Effect

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I dunno about retcon but S1 left a lot of stuff unsaid or only lightly hinted at. I'm glad they're no longer trying to be subtle. Seems like WB/DC took the shackles off.
This. There are no retcons that I'm seeing. It was hinted at several times and outright stated and shown that Dick, Donna, Hank and Dawn had a past together. Hank and Dawn have a picture of the four of them in their house. Yeah the word Titans wasn't said but nothing went against it or presented a situation where there couldn't have been a previous team. We knew and saw that Robin/Hawk/Dove did fight together and it was a normal thing too. Season 1 just wasn't about the previous team and there was no point to even mention it at that point.
 
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Im so excited to see how everyone else turned out because they've nailed everyone thats had a legitimate costume.
Aqualad not withstanding, but what were they going to do?
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God I can't wait for their take on the Nightwing suit.
 
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The Wonder Girl suit translated a little clunky, but it's faithful. The black outfit should look better.

The aquatic heroes looking god awful ugly is well established by now. It's tradition. Anyway fuck Garth, give us Kaldur.
 
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The Wonder Girl suit translated a little clunky, but it's faithful. The black outfit should look better.

The aquatic heroes looking god awful ugly is well established by now. It's tradition. Anyway fuck Garth, give us Kaldur.

I actually like the show's red Donna suit more than the comic version. I liked both Black Donna costumes more than the red in the comics

I never cared for Garth at all compared to Kaldur but im glad the show is keeping him as a founding Titan especially with the absence of Wally and/or Roy.
At least it sets a position for eventual Kaldur.
 

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It doesn't make sense for him to have that

Unless he's a robot

He's a robot
 

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It's probably some tech that transmits the image from the camera directly into his brain, bypassing the need for his missing eye.
 
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Rose knows the way directly to Jason's tough dark heart,
Beating up a bunch of police officers.
 
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So happy this is back. The ending + seeing Deathstroke just did it for me. I really think they miscast Bruce though. Dude seemed like he should've been Alfred.