Tite Kubo (creator of Bleach) dislikes Oda (creator of One Piece)
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Oda has some public pics, even one at his wedding.
Last one was an interview with Takehiko Inoue.
He's unhealthy now so you won't see a another public pic of him.
Nothing wrong with two fit men riding a horse together
In fairness they allowed him to do a final for the series so it could end on his terms. He got cancelled because his final arc went on for four years, with no end in sight. Dude straight up took advantage of the editors doing him a solid.
It really wasn't, maybe post Arrancar but even Pre SS arc was much better than Zombie Powder.
Zombie Powder was better than Bleach shame it got cancelled
The thing with Naruto is that the highs it had were buried under terrible pacing and several of the most polarizing main characters. Even the best moments of the series like Rock Lee vs. Gaara, the Zabuza arc, and the Sasuke Retrieval Arc had some really bad pacing and frequently would break the flow of encounters to exposit on backstory or the mechanics of something we've already seen. Deku is also immensely more likeable than Naruto and Sasuke ever were.
When you take the work as a whole and not just focus on the handful of extreme standout moments Naruto had, MHA is the superior work.
I'd kill to actually see Miura sit down and draw.
seriously tho, i actually quite like Kubo's character designs, and wished for a long time he only did the art, and someone else would write. as a whole package tho, i still prefer Oda, specially because he does backgrounds.
Pre SS was the best part of the manga, when he was ripping off Yu Yu Hakusho.
Its when he started ripping off Saint Seiya's Sanctuary arc with the soul society that it went downhill
I didn't like Bleach beyond Soul Society, but this is immensely shitty on the part of the editor.
I'd argue that a lot of the weakest elements of modern manga stem from people trying too hard to emulate DB in particular. How many brainless young male protagonists do we need?
Ichigo was actually refreshing in that regard, it just sucks that Kubo had no plans for the story post-SS.
You ain't lying. The last 4 years of Bleach were a god damn tire fire.
Togashi isn't probably around that much lol
Unfortunately it didn't show on his work.
Bleach went downhill fast after Aizen arc, even then it couldn't touch any of OP's best arc like Enies Lobby or Marineford.
I'd agree that MHA is superior to Naruto as a whole atm, but it's not a completely fair comparison since MHA is still ongoing and could possibly go down hill like Naruto did
He had no personality and no reason why he fights so hes just boring.
Bleach was never really that good, it's a constant buildup with no payoff.
The SS arc was fantastic as a setup but there's never any payoff, it's rushed badly at the end and resolved in the least satisfying manner...which could have worked if the other arcs worked as payoff for the setup but nope.
One day someone will make an edit of Bleach and we'll get the full potential of Bleach...or we can just get YYH I guess.
The guy probably wasn't talking about having a dumb protagonist, but about panelling or story structure. I mean, Kubo sounds full of himself in these anecdotes, so if they wanted him to improve a slap in the face was probably the only way to get through to him. You can't sugarcoat things with some people, you just won't get through if you do.
That's inherent to the shonen manga unfortunately. And regarding DB, the editor is probably pointing into something like this https://kotaku.com/the-genius-of-the-dragon-ball-manga-1578356576 and not the narrative structure which admittedly isn't really important to shonen audience.
Chapter aligned MHA hasn't had an arc as good as the Zabuza arc, so its still got a lot to prove
Honestly, as someone who reads a lot of shonen, Ichigo really isn't much smarter than most shonen heroes, and the only real example of intelligence he has is them saying he gets good grades, which is a textbook example of telling rather than showing since he never actually does anything smart. Furthermore, I don't think his suggestion was to emulate them completely (which wouldn't even make sense since FotNS is literally not even close to Dragonball in any sense other than that both are action series that ran in Shonen Jump) but rather to look at some of the biggest and most successful series of the past in order to look and see what they did well and think about how he could use the lessons of what made them standout to better his own work
Oh wow, is he really upset? Well... Should've made a better manga. At least it's a little better than Fairy Tail? Maybe?
It has a more consistent foundation than Naruto I guess, though not nearly as many hype moments as Naruto had at that point in time. Also MHA's latest arc was the worst one yet imo.
One Piece though? Lol nah
It has a more consistent foundation than Naruto I guess, though not nearly as many hype moments as Naruto had at that point in time. Also MHA's latest arc was the worst one yet imo.
One Piece though? Lol nah
Bleach up until the end of Soul Society > One Piece up until Alabasta, and that's about it really.
Still, One Piece fell off massively post time-skip. It ain't been the same since.
Still, One Piece fell off massively post time-skip. It ain't been the same since.
I mean, can you really call it a rivalry when one side is and has always been leagues more successful than the other, and has also never shown any hint of animosity towards the other? Oda and Kishimoto clearly shared a rivalry (even if Oda was generally ahead there as well) which has been well documented in interviews, but even at it's height Bleach was always a distant third
It's actually ok as long as there's something supporting the manga and the story.
The problem with Bleach is that Ichigo is supposed to be the anchor of the whole thing but he's just flat as a plank so it falls apart.
And we're never given any reason to care about Soul society anyway, they're just jerks who somehow help the hero and fight a lot.
Arlong Park alone was better lol
Bleach was cool back in the day, but I wouldn't go that far. Not to mention I have issues with Ichigo as a protagonist in general. Even as the manga ended, he remained dull as hell to the very end.
One piece had Arlong park by that point as well as logue town so nope.
I could never get into One Piece. I've tried at various points for years. I've found MHA to be really consistent though I'll agree that it Naruto had some really hype points early on as well. I also really enjoyed this recent arc.
Agreed. early Dragon Ball at least should be required reading for anyone interested in drawing comics. Especially action comics. The way the paneling compliments the action is fucking incredible but it's something I never noticed until it was pointed out to me. Super Eyepatch Wolf's video on this is great and goes through even more examples.
That's generally a factor of Ichigo's blandness. He's written like he's got some kind of crazy charisma that can turn enemies into allies, like Goku or Yusuke or Luffy, but we're never shown that at any point in the series.
It's also a factor of Kubo just introducing new characters when he gets stuck plotwise. Oh, Ichigo can't open that door? Let's introduce a character whose only purpose is to give him the key to the door. As a result the cast bloats to insane levels.
As someone that read bleach from start to finish. SHut up Tite. Oda is a god, you cannot compare
Fairy Tail is unfortunately dragged by fan services and constant addition of new characters, which made pretty much everyone paper thin in depth department.
On side note, I'm amazed on how much Mashima improved his art (see early Rave then compare to FT ) unfortunately it's opposite when it comes to his story.
I bought into early Ichigo just being a teen with no real life goals. It was refreshing to see a shounen protagonist that didn't want to be the greatest at something.
This is a guy who made a chapter with entire page that just said "the heart"
Dude was the epitome of self conceit.
That's true, but goddamn if those characters weren't more interesting than Ichigo a majority of the time.
Kubo was good at making his characters look cool and fashionable, but he couldn't match Oda's imagination.
Kubo should have filled the blank pages with content and maybe he would have done better.
Bleach went to total shit after Aizen... And the final arc was the worst stuff I have ever read... Even worse as Naruto Part 2 and the ninja war.
This all said... There is nothign to praise about Oda post time skip as well. One huge dragged disappointment
Bleach went to total shit after Aizen... And the final arc was the worst stuff I have ever read... Even worse as Naruto Part 2 and the ninja war.
This all said... There is nothign to praise about Oda post time skip as well. One huge dragged disappointment
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