I think this may be the least accessible show ever....even Twin Peaks had a bigger potential fanbase before it aired. The Refn fans tuning in just for violence will be asleep before they finish episode 2. This would be the least likely renewal ever if a season 2 of this gets made. I haven't gone past 5 yet so I have no idea if it even attempts to set one up.I'm not knocking foreign language films in general, but I think this might have been slightly more accessible in English for all the Spanish parts. Of course, it would have made some of the dialogue absolutely hilarious.
I think this may be the least accessible show ever....even Twin Peaks had a bigger potential fanbase before it aired. The Refn fans tuning in just for violence will be asleep before they finish episode 2. This would be the least likely renewal ever if a season 2 of this gets made. I haven't gone past 5 yet so I have no idea if it even attempts to set one up.
I mean I'm already watching it with captions on just because the dialogue is super quiet but the noises and music are super loudI'm not knocking foreign language films in general, but I think this might have been slightly more accessible in English for all the Spanish parts. Of course, it would have made some of the dialogue absolutely hilarious.
So [long pause] .......... You're not a fan [long pause] ......... Then. 😜I watched the first episode of this last night. I think it might be the worst piece of media I've ever consumed.
Even with the obvious criticisms about runtime out of the way, those 93 minutes were devoid of any redeeming quality except the soundtrack. I could understand some of the languorous pans over cars and lights if they served any purpose, but it feels like every single frame is purposefully designed to be as obtuse and arty as possible. Let's linger on a headlight for a full thirty seconds. Then we'll cut to some wooden dialogue that's framed from the side, at a slight angle, for absolutely no reason. And also the guy delivering it is terrible. And it drags on five full minutes longer than it needs to. And also we're 16 minutes into the episode and Miles Teller hasn't said a word despite being on-screen almost the entire time.
I can only assume the intended experience is distance and disorientation, but the ways they've gone about trying to engender those feelings are absolutely amateur. Look at Blade Runner 2049 for an example of how a detached feeling can be created well, and for a purpose. Look at this for an example of a guy who thinks he's David Lynch but lacks almost all the talent.
No no. I undesrstand. I was just making a funny.It's irritating, because I liked Valhalla Rising quite a lot, and I also enjoyed Neon Demon. Drive I can take or leave. I definitely don't dislike Refn's oeuvre as a whole, though.
The idea of a notoriously controversial director being given what looks like carte blanche to create a TV series is so compelling, that I can't help but be annoyed that this was the result.
Yeah, we certainly need more expensive, beautifully shot porn.If Amazon want to give 'subversive' directors free reign to tell serialised stories, they should take whatever they funded Refn, double it, and give it to Gaspar Noé. At least the results would be entertaining.
His last couple of films haven't been great, but Tree of Life was a masterpiece. I'd definitely like to see what he'd do if he got total control over a TV series.If Amazon are willing to throw money away, I've definitely be interested in a Terence Malick show.
See, now there's a director who knows how to do long pauses and has even better than Refn when it comes to visuals.
Gaspar Noé wants to shoot short movies with as small a budget as possible, as few constraints and a lot of improvisation, ever since Enter the Void bombed. Also, he's more and more interested in making a documentary since he feels they are like the ultimate form or movies or something. I'd be surprised if he started working on a TV show.I watched the first episode of this last night. I think it might be the worst piece of media I've ever consumed.
Even with the obvious criticisms about runtime out of the way, those 93 minutes were devoid of any redeeming quality except the soundtrack. I could understand some of the languorous pans over cars and lights if they served any purpose, but it feels like every single frame is purposefully designed to be as obtuse and arty as possible. Let's linger on a headlight for a full thirty seconds. Then we'll cut to some wooden dialogue that's framed from the side, at a slight angle, for absolutely no reason. And also the guy delivering it is terrible. And it drags on five full minutes longer than it needs to. And also we're 16 minutes into the episode and Miles Teller hasn't said a word despite being on-screen almost the entire time.
I can only assume the intended experience is distance and disorientation, but the ways they've gone about trying to engender those feelings are absolutely amateur. Look at Blade Runner 2049 for an example of how a detached feeling can be created well, and for a purpose. Look at this for an example of a guy who thinks he's David Lynch but lacks almost all the talent.
I don't think I've ever really loved anything Refn has done, but I've also never found anything of his - or anyone else's for that matter - as actively objectionable, indulgent, and insulting as this first episode was. I almost feel like watching episode 2 just to see how much worse it can get.
EDIT: If Amazon want to give 'subversive' directors free reign to tell serialised stories, they should take whatever they funded Refn, double it, and give it to Gaspar Noé. At least the results would be entertaining.
Watch the Pusher trilogy.
I disagree strongly, but he's definitely a divisive guy. I recommended those movies since they're the most straightforward of his works. Less lyrical, slow, contemplative. Or as detractors would say, plodding. Haven't seen this yet but I'm hoping it's closer to his earlier work than something like The Neon Demon. Based on this thread I'm certainly not optimistic.I've seen them. It's not often the case that watching something by a director you already aren't fond of will convince you they're good. What draws people to a director's body of work is tendencies, style, form etc. all things that I've found lacking in his work.
Wut ? ....................... I need to watch the rest of this series. LOL.Episode 8 was something else and I honestly thought the show peaked, but then the trailer park happened in episode 9.
The payoff to this was not worth the journey at all. There is no payoff, it's just 13hrs of unfiltered Refn where he's free to express everything. From banging your sister, to banging your sister dressed up like your dead mom to a dad jerking off as he recalls his underage daughter fucking her 30yr old boyfriend to motherfucking aliens and whatever the fuck was going on with Jena Malone's character in the last episode.
Fucking bullshit.
Staying all that, it's visually stunning.
EDIT: If Amazon want to give 'subversive' directors free reign to tell serialised stories, they should take whatever they funded Refn, double it, and give it to Gaspar Noé. At least the results would be entertaining.
Episode 8 was something else and I honestly thought the show peaked, but then the trailer park happened in episode 9.
The payoff to this was not worth the journey at all. There is no payoff, it's just 13hrs of unfiltered Refn where he's free to express everything. From banging your sister, to banging your sister dressed up like your dead mom to a dad jerking off as he recalls his underage daughter fucking her 30yr old boyfriend to motherfucking aliens and whatever the fuck was going on with Jena Malone's character in the last episode.
Fucking bullshit.
Staying all that, it's visually stunning.
Episode 2 was a drag, damn. Even as a Refn fan, that was just way too much.
Baldwin in ep 7 no no no no
Refn you sick fuck
And right after I type that my man miles teller breaks his neck. Fuck yes.
My initial reaction as well. This is the slowest episode of the whole bunch.
Episode 8 works as a season finale with the last two episodes as afterthoughts, Refn mentioned in an interview that at the end of the shoot he ran out of money which explains the short last episode.
Also I don't think that Jesus and Yaritza were siblings. It was established that she was an orphan that the Don found in the desert and made her his nurse/lover.
But i liked Valhalla rising 😞How on earth can anyone be saying ep 8 was good.
What a waste of time this show was. I'm just going to tell my friends to watch episode 5 and be done with it. Piece of shit anti climax. This is Valhalla rising all over again, the success of Drive broke Refn beyond repair and he just can't deliver on endings anymore. Fucking trash.
Episode 8 was great but also too many things was going on. I wish they resolve some of them arcs earlier. Not have them all in one episode.How on earth can anyone be saying ep 8 was good.
What a waste of time this show was. I'm just going to tell my friends to watch episode 5 and be done with it. Piece of shit anti climax. This is Valhalla rising all over again, the success of Drive broke Refn beyond repair and he just can't deliver on endings anymore. Fucking trash.