first one was a navy recruitment tool
but fascism? lol don't think op knows what that word means
but fascism? lol don't think op knows what that word means
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Top Gun: Maverick is a military propaganda movie. I fell for it.
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Man this thread is the perfect example of cancel culture
obvs joke making fun of those posts but /s just in case
It's an impossible mission and no one dies anyway. To the point where they can fly an F14 and beat a modern jet.
Like there's absolutely no danger or tension in that regard, which is probably what they want you to think if you were thinking of joining the military and this was the movie that would convince you to do it. lol
this is my new favorite threadThis is your second attempt already, OP
Days ago you tried the same in another TGM topic, but with a totally different and unrelated reason, remember?
First it was because a court case, now it' because of ideologies and whatnot..
Well, third time is the charm as it's said, so let's see what is next for why TGM is evil.
Just say you don't like the movie, that's all. It's fine, it's all personal taste in the end and there's no need justify why.
This Orwellian fascist propaganda gives me such 1984 vibes. Soon they'll start building their Animal Farms and dystopian utopia. Truly a bunch of identity politics.
Honestly, we should examine the Freudian implications of this film. For example, Miles Teller's character's callsign is Rooster. What is another word for Rooster? Cock.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
Fair and apologies.
There's probably a better way to describe the uneasy feeling I had when I realized that this movie was also not going to name its enemies, similar to the first movie, but it is escaping me right now.
Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
On the one hand fuck yeah but on the other hand it would make the odds of seeing a pro-Belka op-ed in the NYT far too high
Most movies are 'propaganda' in that they promote an ideology and lifestyle (or they are made to criticize an ideology or lifestyle). There is a reason why they air drop usb sticks with episodes of Friends over North Korea.
It's fine (and I'd say beneficial) to look at all cultural products through a critical eye. But it also feels silly to single out Top Gun. You're making this out as a revelation while it's Critical Thinking 101.
It's fine (and I'd say beneficial) to look at all cultural products through a critical eye. But it also feels silly to single out Top Gun. You're making this out as a revelation while it's Critical Thinking 101.
"Why it was not a big deal for Belka to nuke themselves."
This is your fifth post trying to defend the OP's points in this thread, which is funny as the OP hasn't defended their points even once.
The OP was over the top using fascism and also very much on her high horse with this as the closing line "We have to untangle this from the media we watch or we become supporters of fascism without even realizing it." The implication is that the simpletons who enjoyed the movie are fascist supporters. Of course that broad overreach is going to rub people the wrong way.
The only thing more embarrassing than the OP is you trying to White Knight for them.
To be fair, to make a movie with military involvement they have to approve the script. You basically can't depict the military in a negative light.
Is it outright propaganda because it's not the Navy putting out the film themselves like America's Army video game or the US Army e-sports team? I guess that's up for everyone to decide for themselves.
I mean, there's not much to discuss once you strip out the fascist implications OP was reaching for because then you're left with the military propaganda that everyone universally is aware of when walking into this movie.
There's nothing wrong about enjoying something that uses the military as a prop for storytelling, if you're aware that the story shouldn't be used to wash over reality. If people were using the Top Gun movies as evidence of the sanctity of US military and that they can do no wrong when it comes to war actions, then there'd be something to talk about. But no one is doing that, the US military still sucks, and fighter jets are still cool. Everyone is in agreement about that.
I think just calling it propaganda is fine, and quite a severe charge as is.
Now I haven't seen the movie (I did see the original) so I can't opine on any specific details but the idea of the "brave men and women" of the United States battling a faceless Other does slightly fall in line with Orwell's views on damaging euphemisms and general use of language that try to disguise dire reality and dire intentions for a political purpose, but only to a point.
The movie functions as effective propaganda regardless of whether or not the enemy is ever explicitly identified, and is arguably better for not actually naming the enemy and engendering greater hostility there. Plenty of movies (and games, and tons of media) have absolutely no problem directly identifying the antagonists as, for example, "Islamic extremists," and I think those do substantially more social harm.
Au Contraire mon Frère, I'm a veritable Master of Disguise, I could be standing right next to you and you wouldn't even know it.
Know that no matter where you are, no matter what Metropolis you're hiding in, I'll find you. I'm Going to get you Sucka; There Will Be Blood!
Then once we've had our Last Tango in Paris and you're experienced Extinction, I'll be Gone with the Wind, never to be seen again.
I've heard that the original movie wasn't getting a ton of support from the Navy during the production. Like, obviously they managed to get it done, but it wasn't something that they knew was going to be so successful (as a movie and as a recruiting tool). Them setting up recruiting boots sounds nefarious but it's not necessarily part of some grand masterplan.
It's the same with lots of products. Notice all the Audis you see in film and TV. They're not going to break down or have them flip over or anything as they're glorified ads.
Film companies basically choose whether it's worth working with the Pentagon or not and oftentimes they'll choose not to (Deer Hunter, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket) to be free from the interference that working with them can cause. It's good to know that a lot of the big budget movies have propaganda in them but it's certainly not the only way a movie about the military can get made.
To be fair, being an astrophysicist requires a ton of work in a specialized area. The military is literally recruiting students fresh out of high school, specifically preying on people without other ambitions.
I can't imagine watching either of the two Top Gun movies and rushing out to join the navy, but I know that's a thing.
These movies are like cartoons to me. It's GI JOE level realism.
These movies are like cartoons to me. It's GI JOE level realism.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
letterboxd.com
Exact same wording.
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Unfortunately, you don't hardly ever see these kinds of movies about the US military made anymore.
Well shit.Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Woah there. That might be plagiarism from an OP that refuses to engage.
There are literally multiple posts in this very thread arguing that "a movie is just a movie" so that tells me that no, not everyone realizes that this movie was military propaganda. And those comments exist right alongside comments that talk about how the fact that it was military propaganda was so obvious that it's not worth pointing out.
If some people came away from the movie and felt like it was just a "generic blockbuster" with no deeper implications and some people came away from the movie with the feeling that it was military propaganda, there's a conversation worth having about the disconnect there. Obviously that conversation isn't going to happen here both because OP started the conversation off in the worst way possible and because most of the people in the thread now only care about sticking the boot in.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Lol the plot is thicker than oatmeal rn
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
THE PLOT THICKEN THICKENS
Paragon just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about fascism and action movies (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on YouTube where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you don't act in reverence of self-important, surface level criticism, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is to make a thread banner.
What this means is this forum, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase any more tickets for Top Gun, nor will they pay to see any of Tom Cruise's movies. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Paragon has alienated an entire industry of film critics with this move.
Punchline, publicly apologize and remove your thread banner or you can kiss your business goodbye.
"A former pilot for the 8492 squadron recounts how they were 'cancelled' for an earnest expression of Belkan patriotism, raising questions about freedom in Harling's Osea"
Woah there. Now this is fascismIncidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
So many dumb things listed in that review.Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...
From the OP
Exact same wording.
"The F-35 sucks" Lots and lots of countries are buying it after evaluating it. If it's so terrible they all must be bad at their jobs and could instead get some guidance from this reviewer.
"Both planes are made by Lockheed Martin" as if that's a smoking gun. Almost all US military planes at the moment are by Lockheed Martin.
Starting to seem like they plagiarized it from someone else who also doesn't have a reasonable understanding of the definition of fascism lol
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I liked the fast jet movie. Where's my MAGA hat.
You wanna know the real kicker?
The F-18 Superhornet ISN'T made by Lockheed Martin, it's a Boeing Aircraft.
The Original Hornet is McDonnell Douglass
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