first one was a navy recruitment tool
but fascism? lol don't think op knows what that word means
but fascism? lol don't think op knows what that word means
Really weird
It's an impossible mission and no one dies anyway. To the point where they can fly an F14 and beat a modern jet.One thing that doesn't square with the military propaganda / recruitment tool aspect for me is that the movie clearly portrays top navy brass as being completely ok with throwing their best and brightest into the meat grinder. For most of the movie, Maverick's insistence on bringing the pilots home in one piece is being treated as an annoyance. I don't know about the others, but if I saw in the job advertisement that that my potential new employers have no regard for my life and will try to sacrifice it the second it's beneficial for them, I would probably look somewhere else.
this is my new favorite threadThis is your second attempt already, OP
Days ago you tried the same in another TGM topic, but with a totally different and unrelated reason, remember?
First it was because a court case, now it' because of ideologies and whatnot..
Well, third time is the charm as it's said, so let's see what is next for why TGM is evil.
Just say you don't like the movie, that's all. It's fine, it's all personal taste in the end and there's no need justify why.
people are going to run this one into the ground unnecessarily too, but Orwellian describes a lot of things fairly well, right now.
Fair and apologies.
Honestly, we should examine the Freudian implications of this film. For example, Miles Teller's character's callsign is Rooster. What is another word for Rooster? Cock.
I rest my case.
On the one hand fuck yeah but on the other hand it would make the odds of seeing a pro-Belka op-ed in the NYT far too highThats why we need to make Ace Combat into a movie franchise. Can't be propaganda when they're fictional nations.
As long as they're not Belka. God damned Belkans.
Dick move to post thisHonestly, we should examine the Freudian implications of this film. For example, Miles Teller's character's callsign is Rooster. What is another word for Rooster? Cock.
I rest my case.
Oh ok, that makes sense.It's an impossible mission and no one dies anyway. To the point where they can fly an F14 and beat a modern jet.
Like there's absolutely no danger or tension in that regard, which is probably what they want you to think if you were thinking of joining the military and this was the movie that would convince you to do it. lol
"Why it was not a big deal for Belka to nuke themselves."On the one hand fuck yeah but on the other hand it would make the odds of seeing a pro-Belka op-ed in the NYT far too high
This is your fifth post trying to defend the OP's points in this thread, which is funny as the OP hasn't defended their points even once.Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
To be fair, to make a movie with military involvement they have to approve the script. You basically can't depict the military in a negative light.Most movies are 'propaganda' in that they promote an ideology and lifestyle (or they are made to criticize an ideology or lifestyle). There is a reason why they air drop usb sticks with episodes of Friends over North Korea.
It's fine (and I'd say beneficial) to look at all cultural products through a critical eye. But it also feels silly to single out Top Gun. You're making this out as a revelation while it's Critical Thinking 101.
I mean, there's not much to discuss once you strip out the fascist implications OP was reaching for because then you're left with the military propaganda that everyone universally is aware of when walking into this movie.Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
Fair and apologies.
There's probably a better way to describe the uneasy feeling I had when I realized that this movie was also not going to name its enemies, similar to the first movie, but it is escaping me right now.
Au Contraire mon Frère, I'm a veritable Master of Disguise, I could be standing right next to you and you wouldn't even know it.Enough! Your references are criminal you belong in The Cell, you're succumbing to Basic Instinct, instead of something more representative of having An Education, your posts are rote, your references, The Usual Suspects, you're a Disaster Artist, not a Puppet Master.
I've heard that the original movie wasn't getting a ton of support from the Navy during the production. Like, obviously they managed to get it done, but it wasn't something that they knew was going to be so successful (as a movie and as a recruiting tool). Them setting up recruiting boots sounds nefarious but it's not necessarily part of some grand masterplan.It's not some dirty secret that Top Gun has ties to the US military. The original movie saw the Navy set up recruitment booths right outside of theatres to catch audiences walking out of showings.
woah there. Now that's a ballsy claim
It's the same with lots of products. Notice all the Audis you see in film and TV. They're not going to break down or have them flip over or anything as they're glorified ads.To be fair, to make a movie with military involvement they have to approve the script. You basically can't depict the military in a negative light.
Is it outright propaganda because it's not the Navy putting out the film themselves like America's Army video game or the US Army e-sports team? I guess that's up for everyone to decide for themselves.
To be fair, being an astrophysicist requires a ton of work in a specialized area. The military is literally recruiting students fresh out of high school, specifically preying on people without other ambitions.I'm sure there are a many American kids who saw this movie and now have ambitions of being a fighter pilot in the AirForce, but action movies glorify whatever profession is being showcased. After watching Deep Impact as a child, I wanted to be an astrophysicist so I could help save the world from an impending asteroid. Did I follow my ambition? No, because it involved too much math
From the OPLike all successful fascist narratives, this movie portrays our enemies as simultaneously all-powerful and extremely weak. To craft a story where our ludicrously overfunded heroes can be underdogs, it is necessary to pretend that Iran has "advanced 5th generation fighters" which are superior to US capabilities; this is brought up repeatedly regardless of how absurd it is. Yet when our heroes are actually in Iran, all of their pilots have the aim of a blind man. Tom Cruise survives a .50 caliber machine gun right in front of him by taking cover behind a dead log. The .50 caliber bullet is designed to penetrate an armored truck engine
- How is the film fascist propaganda? A key feature of fascist propaganda is to portray the enemy as both simultaneously all-powerful and extremely weak. The film does through this through the plot point that the United States military has to use outdated technology because it's the only thing that will work in this hyper-specific scenario.
Unfortunately, you don't hardly ever see these kinds of movies about the US military made anymore.Film companies basically choose whether it's worth working with the Pentagon or not and oftentimes they'll choose not to (Deer Hunter, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket) to be free from the interference that working with them can cause. It's good to know that a lot of the big budget movies have propaganda in them but it's certainly not the only way a movie about the military can get made.
Well shit.Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
There are literally multiple posts in this very thread arguing that "a movie is just a movie" so that tells me that no, not everyone realizes that this movie was military propaganda. And those comments exist right alongside comments that talk about how the fact that it was military propaganda was so obvious that it's not worth pointing out.I mean, there's not much to discuss once you strip out the fascist implications OP was reaching for because then you're left with the military propaganda that everyone universally is aware of when walking into this movie.
There's nothing wrong about enjoying something that uses the military as a prop for storytelling, if you're aware that the story shouldn't be used to wash over reality. If people were using the Top Gun movies as evidence of the sanctity of US military and that they can do no wrong when it comes to war actions, then there'd be something to talk about. But no one is doing that, the US military still sucks, and fighter jets are still cool. Everyone is in agreement about that.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
Thoughts and prayers.Embarrassing thread, and far more so by the repliers than by OP. The OP's "crimes" as they were, are the inflammatory misuse of the term Fascism and acting a bit self-important with a thread banner and the "Woah there. Now that's a ballsy title" opening line.
Of the two things, only the first thing is an actual problem and it's something that could easily have been sorted out on the first page and discussion could have actually moved on from there. Instead we have multiple pages worth of users running into get their petty off topic "dunks" in because for some reason it's acceptable to act like a bunch of toxic arseholes if it's collectively decided that the OP had a bad take.
"A former pilot for the 8492 squadron recounts how they were 'cancelled' for an earnest expression of Belkan patriotism, raising questions about freedom in Harling's Osea"
Woah there. Now this is fascismIncidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
So many dumb things listed in that review.Incidentally, someone linked me this review today
A ½ review of Top Gun: Maverick (2022)
"Hi everybody and welcome to Top Gun: Maverick," Tom Cruise tells audiences in a brief pre-movie introduction. "...Our incredible cast and crew worked very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real F-18s, real Gs, real speed..." "Top Gun: Maverick"...letterboxd.com
From the OP
Exact same wording.
You wrote all of that without operating on a reasonable definition of fascism.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.Mindless consumption of media is not a good look.
No wonder Trump won and the USA is turning into a fascist country.
You wanna know the real kicker?So many dumb things listed in that review.
"The F-35 sucks" Lots and lots of countries are buying it after evaluating it. If it's so terrible they all must be bad at their jobs and could instead get some guidance from this reviewer.
"Both planes are made by Lockheed Martin" as if that's a smoking gun. Almost all US military planes at the moment are by Lockheed Martin.