I think the only people that can get away with having cult classic games like this are a select few like Suda or Swery.
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Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes - Review Thread
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I kind of disagree with that you don't play suda game for the gameplay though.
Killer7 is a much better game the way it is than if it was a regular 3rd person shooter that are a dime a dozen.
Suda games aren't critic friendly.
I'm rarely the type to whine about higher scores justifying a price tag, but the review text on many of these has me worried. I love the variation previous NMH games show even if they were some of the weaker parts of the overall experience. While it sounds like variation is big here, if the variations are the best playing parts of the game, that's troubling.
That's such a weird thing to say when some critics are Suda fans. They're not out of touch first timers.
People here argue about bias and subjectivity with reviews all the time, but what Grasshopper games would you rate higher than an 8 without a giant list of cons?
Way higher than expected, given the type of game it actually is. Not that it mattered, since it's one of my favorite franchises and I'm super glad to support it!
Though I still am upset with Suda stepping on and almost ruining my nice shoes.
Though I still am upset with Suda stepping on and almost ruining my nice shoes.
The game he makes are not something that fare well in a critical review format regardless of whether or not someone is a fan or not.
And I certainly would think even a professional critic despite being a fan would be professional enough to point out the issues the game has.
Killer7 fared fairly poorly (RS faired even worse and that's a GOTG we're talking here) but I'm not saying that the reviews are wrong or entitled to their opinions.
I have other priorities than critics so my assessments being different is kind of expected.
I personally hold all of the games he directed in high regard, especially Killer7 and 25th Ward. What are 'cons' for some people, utterly do not matter or are completely overshadowed by other elements of those games for me.
You literally said
"I'll make my own opinion, and see if it was worth it."
Does that not imply you'll buy it, form an opinion, then decide if it was worth it?
Was concerned that it would be doing much worse reviews-wise. Happy to see a 70.
Can't wait to get my hands on it. Although, I'm worried about this big spoiler.
Besides being a great game, I also think Killer7 aged way better than the standard shooters that came out around its release. So it's strange seeing that it scored so poorly.
Can't wait to get my hands on it. Although, I'm worried about this big spoiler.
Of all the low scores that Suda games have received, that one seems the most glaring.
Besides being a great game, I also think Killer7 aged way better than the standard shooters that came out around its release. So it's strange seeing that it scored so poorly.
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Thought this would be $40 game and thus a hard pass with those wildly different reviews. At 25 I'll consider it in the future.
Did you see how the game controls, the pace of the game and even just the general gameplay?
It goes against all gaming conventions at the time and even now.
You have to be R* to be able to get away with that unscathed.
NMH1 (and probably 2 but I haven't played it in so long) and Shadows of the Damned are solid 8's for sure. I really liked what I played of Killer 7, but didn't finish it. I also personally adore Lolipop Chainsaw, but I'd say that's more of a 7 or so generally speaking.
Okay, but woukd you say that in a review.
NMH1 is a top 10 game for me.
But I can't recommend it to people without acknowledging, it's not a pretty game, it's janky in a lot of parts, the overworld, the motorcycle controls.
Id never give it anything higher than an 8.
I really like Suda but I've never shared the love for Killer 7.
I guess the narrative was interesting but I found the gameplay utter shit. (I bought it day one on the Cube)
I guess the narrative was interesting but I found the gameplay utter shit. (I bought it day one on the Cube)
I'm not a fan of the idea that reviewers should score based on a hypothetical user or lowest common denominator audience. I would rate NMH a 9 out of 10. Ideally 'my readers' would know my tastes and be able to discern whether or not my score would align with their own experience. I'm not responsible for them disagreeing.
About what I expected the Meta to be.
Will check out some reviews before buying, but I'll surely end up buying it as I love Suda's stuff.
Will check out some reviews before buying, but I'll surely end up buying it as I love Suda's stuff.
Having gone through the PC version recently, I don't think people are wrong to bounce off of it. The mechanics are really obtuse and the combat can have a lot of issues as a result of how movement works in the game, since you don't have anything resembling a quickturn while you're aiming. And the story, brilliant as it is, is designed to throw you into the deep end of a pool filled with hydrochloric acid and telling you good luck on the way in. It's a goddamned weird game for any era. I love it to bits, but I'm wired for crazy-ass shit in the first place.
You kind of did? You say it's a top 10 game but wouldn't rate it higher than an 8? Why not? If it's a top game, then rate it at the top. Your personal experience with the game is positive, so rate it highly. No need to deduct points for 'flaws' that didn't actually bother you.
All reviews are subjective obviously. Why does a game like RDR2 have a 97 on MC while a Suda game like Killer7 has a 74? Surely RDR2 doesn't have a giant list of cons. Right? I love RDR2, but come on it's not perfect. But like I said it's all subjective, reviewers are people and it's impossible to review anything objectively. So yes they usually overlook flaws if they enjoy the whole package. But since most don't do that for Suda games it's safe to say they aren't huge fans.
But I'd give Killer7 a 10, No More Heroes a 9 and Flower Sun Rain a 9.
RDR2 probably an 8.
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About what i expected for MC. So excited... Been waiting 9 years for a new NMH game and 11 for a nw Suda game!
I don't have that system anymore.
I have nothing against this new game but if it bombs and there is never another mainline game, I'll be sad.
I want dat crazy jank all da cool kids talk about.
If it's your first Suda game, why would you care if it's mainline or not
it somehow looks like a mobile spinoff with minigames in the NMH universe but maybe it is cool? i mean Suda51 is a little bit like the Tarantino of video games, you don´t exactly play a Suda51 for great gameplay..
Yeah, I was like, did I read that right?
This thread is getting weird.
Suda is only like Tarantino in the sense that if you don't like the product, his fans will tell you you did something wrong.
Than...what?
Are you trying to say you'd only want to play it if it were a behind-the-back camera?
It's amazing how much a camera angle change affects people. Between the different setting & gimmicks in each world, FMV intros, and the traditional Silver Case/25th Ward inspired visual novel sections between levels, this is easily the most inspired and creative game from Grasshopper since... the original NMH.
But hey, it doesn't look cinematic enough, I guess?
I mean, it's fine. If you're not interested, you're not interested. But just be honest about your reasons: it does not look like the cinematic AA(A) action game that you want. Hope you bought FURI and Bayonetta on the Switch then.
then you probably wouldnt play the other 2 games either
People is fucking obsessed with over the shoulder camera angles and games "looking high budget or triple A". I'd rather have games that explore what the medium is capable of and games that have something to say.
The gameplay just looked so dull from preview videos. It seems like if you don't mind the repetitive and somewhat mindless gameplay, there's something to enjoy here. Unfortunately, I place gameplay very high on my list, so this is a likely pass. I've always been interested in the series, maybe if they release a remaster pack or something I'd be in.
I just don't understand how a change in camera perspective is somehow convincing people that a game with mediocre hack and slash gameplay, bizarre mini games and level gimmicks, brilliant character design and bonkers writing isn't a No More Heroes game.
from reading the threads here, the first few previews were dull but the last ones were much much better. I havent seen them myself because i was already sold on the game.
Killer7 is on steam and The Silver Case is on steam and PS4.
I agree with this a lot of people were waiting on an excuse to say they are not getting the game, if I want a game I want a game no reviews are gonna change my mind.
My thing was more about the actual hack and slash part. Sword combos in NMH were gratifying. Whereas in the early mini games it just looks like I'm swinging back and forth and enemies die in one hit or get knocked back.
Thankfully that just seems to be the early levels and that the sword play evolves.
I hope to like the game as whole, but this demo/level left a horrible impression.
And the platforming on the demo level looks concerning.
Welp, that EZA review has made me go from potential purchase to no purchase. Gameplay looks dull as hell.
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Why would it matter if it's a mainline game or not when this entry is specially made for newcomers to hop in? Seems to me you're just parroting shit people've been saying in other threads instead of coming to your own opinion on the series and TSA as a whole.