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Don't be obtuse, we're a gaming forum talking about a video game company making VR for gaming.
The original sentiment was that Labo will poison the well for the VR market. I don't care if your angle is for the gaming enthusiast, the VR market is big and has had similar low grade VR before which hasn't affected the health of the market.
 

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The original sentiment was that Labo will poison the well for the VR market. I don't care if your angle is for the gaming enthusiast, the VR market is big and has had similar low grade VR before which hasn't affected the health of the market.

It may, it may not. I'm just saying to dismiss that possibility is silly since it's Nintendo, and they have affected VR perception in the past and continue to do so with a product that's 20+ years old.

I personally hope it's amazing, I have my doubts, but I'll be picking one up to test it out first hand.
 
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The original sentiment was that Labo will poison the well for the VR market. I don't care if your angle is for the gaming enthusiast, the VR market is big and has had similar low grade VR before which hasn't affected the health of the market.

So lets say its bad. For the sake of argument. It just sucks.

You don't think it would damage VR when Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda for it and people who it would be their first time trying VR have a terrible time?

You are comparing shitty Chinese knock off brands to the mainstream appeal of Nintendo and their titles?
 

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So lets say its bad. For the sake of argument. It just sucks.

You don't think it would damage VR when Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda for it and people who it would be their first time trying VR have a terrible time?

You are comparing shitty Chinese knock off brands to the mainstream appeal of Nintendo and their titles?

Labo is for kids, stop taking it so seriously...
 

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So lets say its bad. For the sake of argument. It just sucks.

You don't think it would damage VR when Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda for it and people who it would be their first time trying VR have a terrible time?
damage VR? no, and if it does, who cares. again, why should we as consumers be concerned? it's up to occulus and sony and all them to improve VR's appeal, not the consumers to worry what a kids toy may do to an entire industry.
damage botw and smo? no, those games came out two years ago, sold 10+ millions, and became gotys. some ADDITIONAL content won't hurt them.
 

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There are plenty of other VR setups with plenty of games. Labo VR isn't going to ruin VR forever if it's not good. If current VR fails, and that's a big if, it will be because consumers see it as a dumb fad and not something to invest in right now.

Got to say, as someone without VR but not completely against it, having all these people be concerned about how children's cardboard will affect the VR industry just tells me that VR is not something to even look into in general.
 
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It's a shame to see the VR community in fighting. My 8 year old niece's crappy little plastic headset with a broken strap, a slot too tiny for my phone and a gorillaz music video was enough to sell me on a psvr.
Don't underestimate the value in getting vr in to more hands. It only helps normalize the tech and there is no reason to believe it will turn folks off of better alternatives when they could just as easily fall in love with it. I have faith in Nintendo delivering a quality experience.
 

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it's not a VR headset, you literally have to hold it up to your head. people will get tired of doing that in 10 minutes.

I forgot about that. I assumed there was a strap of some kind but you're right. You hold the thing up to your face by the JoyCons...

I guess I'll wait for straps or a third party option. No one is going to want to hold the thing up to their face for hours. Best case scenario is they're laying on their back with the headset resting on their face.
 

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Got to say, as someone without VR but not completely against it, having all these people be concerned about how children's cardboard will affect the VR industry just tells me that it's not something to even look into in general.
that's how i feel too. seeing all this concern makes me not want to look into it cuz i'm like damn, if some kids toy is this scary and has this much power over an industry that giants like facebook and sony are invested in, does this whole thing have any future? is it not at a place where something like this can be brushed off as just a kids toy?

So there is no strap?
no
 

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What? How are you not pressing your forehead against a VR device?

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that's how i feel too. seeing all this concern makes me not want to look into it cuz i'm like damn, if some kids toy is this scary and has this much power over an industry that giants like facebook and sony are invested in, does this whole thing have any future? is it not at a place where something like this can be brushed off as just a kids toy?
Exactly. VR enthusiasts that keep doomsaying the future of VR are doing way more damage than a toy could.
 

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Great will check it out at my local BB. Hopefully no one will be there concern trolling
 

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It may, it may not. I'm just saying to dismiss that possibility is silly since it's Nintendo, and they have affected VR perception in the past and continue to do so with a product that's 20+ years old.

I personally hope it's amazing, I have my doubts, but I'll be picking one up to test it out first hand.
Personally I don't think it will be amazing. I think it will be very bad. It's 720p, BotW runs at an unsteady 30fps, and the Switch isn't powerful enough to render images twice in stereoscopy necessary for VR. It will be terrible (I'll still get it cause of the novelty), but I don't think it has enough power to wreck the VR market at large.

So lets say its bad. For the sake of argument. It just sucks.

You don't think it would damage VR when Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda for it and people who it would be their first time trying VR have a terrible time?

You are comparing shitty Chinese knock off brands to the mainstream appeal of Nintendo and their titles?
Okay, first off: Daydream is Google. Gear is Samsung. Cardboard is Google. These are not shitty Chinese knock-off brands, and they are market leaders, they have sold more than Oculus or Vive or PSVR.
Secondly, I think you don't give customers enough credit if you think they won't know that cardboard VR is not in fact representative of high grade VR.
 

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Cool, like how they let you try it out before you buy. Will pick it up down the line like the other Labo sets when Target does the fire sale.
 

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Personally I don't think it will be amazing. I think it will be very bad. It's 720p, BotW runs at an unsteady 30fps, and the Switch isn't powerful enough to render images twice in stereoscopy necessary for VR. It will be terrible (I'll still get it cause of the novelty), but I don't think it has enough power to wreck the VR market at large.


Okay, first off: Daydream is Google. Gear is Samsung. Cardboard is Google. These are not shitty Chinese knock-off brands, and they are market leaders, they have sold more than Oculus or Vive or PSVR.
Secondly, I think you don't give customers enough credit if you think they won't know that cardboard VR is not in fact representative of high grade VR.
It's good to have low expectations but i don't think they'd even market it if it's as terrible as you say, let alone demo it.
 
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Okay, first off: Daydream is Google. Gear is Samsung. Cardboard is Google. These are not shitty Chinese knock-off brands, and they are market leaders, they have sold more than Oculus or Vive or PSVR.
Secondly, I think you don't give customers enough credit if you think they won't know that cardboard VR is not in fact representative of high grade VR.

First: Correct, those aren't. Those also don't have killer apps. Unless you are counting google earth and vr pornography?

Second: The same customer base that thought WiiU was an addon to the Wii?
 

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If VR frontrunners don't think they can convince the general public that their product is worth investing in on its own merits and instead are reliant on more casual-focused variants by companies with less stake in the matter to get people in the door (note: I do not believe this is the case at all) then they deserve whatever is coming to them should these casual-focused solutions be lackluster.

If Nintendo really does ruin VR for the rest of them, then VR wasn't the game-changer everyone thought in the first place.
 

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It's good to have low expectations but i don't think they'd even market it if it's as terrible as you say, let alone demo it.
I think they are marketing it for the initial "whoa" factor, which will I am sure work to some degree. It can't be worse than the 3DS's 3D.

First: Correct, those aren't. Those also don't have killer apps. Unless you are counting google earth and vr pornography?

Second: The same customer base that thought WiiU was an addon to the Wii?
These are not comparable situations at all. Cardboard is universally associated with low cost. Wii U and Wii confusion was a branding misfire. You know better than this.

If VR frontrunners don't think they can convince the general public that their product is worth investing in on its own merits and instead are reliant on more casual-focused variants by companies with less stake in the matter to get people in the door (note: I do not believe this is the case at all) then they deserve whatever is coming to them should these casual-focused solutions be lackluster.

If Nintendo really does ruin VR for the rest of them, then VR wasn't the game-changer everyone thought in the first place.
I agree with you and everything, but also, about your avy: o kawaii koto.
 

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If VR frontrunners don't think they can convince the general public that their product is worth investing in on its own merits and instead are reliant on more casual-focused variants by companies with less stake in the matter to get people in the door (note: I do not believe this is the case at all) then they deserve whatever is coming to them should these casual-focused solutions be lackluster.

If Nintendo really does ruin VR for the rest of them, then VR wasn't the game-changer everyone thought in the first place.
fully agreed.
 

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Real VR is very cost prohibitive.

Not only that, its hard to "show" VR off. You have to put it on and actually try it to understand.

As someone who did just that, they are not worth the price of admission at this point and most games are half baked in concept along with half baked technology.

How is Nintendo accomplishing VR with Labo? It might just be the at the market price to sample the tech to a much wider audience.
 

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Oh nice. There'll be one by me. What an oddly short window of time to demo though. Plus it doesn't sound like Mario or Zelda will be there. If I can, still going to check it out.

As someone who did just that, they are not worth the price of admission at this point and most games are half baked in concept along with half baked technology.

How is Nintendo accomplishing VR with Labo? It might just be the at the market price to sample the tech to a much wider audience.

Seriously. I can't roll my eyes hard enough at all the posters fearing this would turn people off of VR. You know what turned me off of buying into VR? Trying a friend's Oculus Rift and trying PSVR (funny enough at a Best Buy). I can't justify it at its current price point. But $40? I already enjoyed the Labo I played with. Playing Mario and/or Zelda is a bonus. If it doesn't work well, oh well. I didn't rearrange my entire living room or office to get it working and it's not like I'm committing to buying into a whole new ecosystem of games.

Edit: holy crap there's a lot of Switch stuff on sale at Best Buy this week.

Double edit: some of the crazier deals all seem to be THQ Nordic games.....Interesting.
 
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