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Fox doesn't seem to be a fan of Atmos in catalog movies. Die Hard was remixed in Atmos by Dolby several years ago to demo catalog possibilities, but Fox stuck with the regular 5.1 for the 4k. ID4 has a DTS:X track, but supposedly DTS mixed that themselves for free and only asked for it to be on future releases.

They do like including original audio tracks or the closest thing to them. Alien will have a lossless 4.1 mix that matches/replicates the original 70mm soundtrack. The 4k of Predator 1 also has a lossless 4.1 mix that I prefer over the 5.1. It has a really nice retro/analog sound to it. I imagine Alien's will be the same.
 

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How much space do Atmos tracks take up in comparison? They aren't that much bigger than standard lossless tracks are they?
 

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Formula 1: Drive to Survive on Netflix looks incredible on the B7., it's not in Dolby Vision, but still looks good in 4k. The surround sound is also great, even on my little Energy Take Classics. Plenty of slow mo race car porn.
 
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So clearly it is possible to retrofit Atmos into a sound track. I wonder why they didn't bother with Alien then. Sorry Bumrush.

I'm just bummed because it does make a noticeable difference in the immersion of a film, and if ANY film ever made relies on immersion, it's Alien.
 

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I'm just bummed because it does make a noticeable difference in the immersion of a film, and if ANY film ever made relies on immersion, it's Alien.

I understand but I can't say that that has ever been an issue for me with Alien. I have watched it so many times that I know it perhaps better than any other movie. I know what is going to happen, when it is going to happen and how it is going to happen, but it still totally sucks me in. It still scares the everliving crap out of me :/. Heh, just thinking about it now made me shudder.
 

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Heads up! Apparently, some TCL owners are having serious audio issues with the latest 6.50 PS4 firmware. If you have a TCL TV, you might want to wait before updating your PS4 for now.
 
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Trying my luck with the tcl r617

I figure if I get a bad panel I could always return it to Amazon. Supposed to be in tomorrow which is crazy fast since I just ordered it last night.
 

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Thinking of finally jumping up to a 65" HDR display.
Am primarily looking at Sony and maybe LG OLED as options.

Right now the Sony OLED 2018 A8F is maybe a front runner, but also the LCD 2019 X950G that just released is tempting.

I may also wait if there is anything more exciting planned to release later this year? Anyone know or have thoughts?
 

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Thinking of finally jumping up to a 65" HDR display.
Am primarily looking at Sony and maybe LG OLED as options.

Right now the Sony OLED 2018 A8F is maybe a front runner, but also the LCD 2019 X950G that just released is tempting.

I may also wait if there is anything more exciting planned to release later this year? Anyone know or have thoughts?
LCD wise Im super happy with my 900f and the 950 is pretty close to it if that helps. Great panels. OLED is obviously better in contrast if you can afford it.
 

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LCD wise Im super happy with my 900f and the 950 is pretty close to it if that helps. Great panels. OLED is obviously better in contrast if you can afford it.

Yea good choices all around there.

Thinking of finally jumping up to a 65" HDR display.
Am primarily looking at Sony and maybe LG OLED as options.

Right now the Sony OLED 2018 A8F is maybe a front runner, but also the LCD 2019 X950G that just released is tempting.

I may also wait if there is anything more exciting planned to release later this year? Anyone know or have thoughts?

Sony is just great imo, a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for when compared to direct rivals.
 

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What kind of audio setups does everyone have with their TVs?
I've been sitting for this for almost year but being budget limited makes this choice the hard and really if I'm getting something cheap to pair with B7, might as well not get anything has been train of thought but as things ain't looking much better might just bite the bullet and grab some cheap-o "decent" soundbar, current candidate is YAS-107.
Other option is to route headphone cable to Sofa since I do have proper Hi-Fi headphones (Fostex TH-X00 w/ ODAC) but thick cable is making it really unappealing.
 

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What kind of audio setups does everyone have with their TVs?
I've been sitting for this for almost year but being budget limited makes this choice the hard and really if I'm getting something cheap to pair with B7, might as well not get anything has been train of thought but as things ain't looking much better might just bite the bullet and grab some cheap-o "decent" soundbar, current candidate is YAS-107.
Other option is to route headphone cable to Sofa since I do have proper Hi-Fi headphones (Fostex TH-X00 w/ ODAC) but thick cable is making it really unappealing.

I use my C8 as is as the sound is good enough for my needs. If I need to keep the volume down out of consideration for the neighbours [I live in a flat] then I use wired headphones. The idea of a proper surround system is appealing but not at the expense of being an inconsiderate neighbour.
 

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What kind of audio setups does everyone have with their TVs?
I've been sitting for this for almost year but being budget limited makes this choice the hard and really if I'm getting something cheap to pair with B7, might as well not get anything has been train of thought but as things ain't looking much better might just bite the bullet and grab some cheap-o "decent" soundbar, current candidate is YAS-107.
Other option is to route headphone cable to Sofa since I do have proper Hi-Fi headphones (Fostex TH-X00 w/ ODAC) but thick cable is making it really unappealing.
I go through an AVR for sound. My UHD player and PC has two HDMI ports so I run them to the TV and also to the receiver that is 5.1. Dont really have room right now for dolby atmos. Switch and base PS4 through receiver.
 

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What kind of audio setups does everyone have with their TVs?

Other option is to route headphone cable to Sofa since I do have proper Hi-Fi headphones (Fostex TH-X00 w/ ODAC) but thick cable is making it really unappealing.

Waiting for my A16 Realiser to finally ship sometime this year. Up until my TV died, it was the main thing preventing me from going all out on a UHD Blu-ray buying spree. Not sure which I'll have in my home first between it and a C9.
 

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What kind of audio setups does everyone have with their TVs?
I've been sitting for this for almost year but being budget limited makes this choice the hard and really if I'm getting something cheap to pair with B7, might as well not get anything has been train of thought but as things ain't looking much better might just bite the bullet and grab some cheap-o "decent" soundbar, current candidate is YAS-107.
Other option is to route headphone cable to Sofa since I do have proper Hi-Fi headphones (Fostex TH-X00 w/ ODAC) but thick cable is making it really unappealing.
5.1 with the Sony STR-DN1080 receiver.
 

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Should the Xbox One S support a 4K dashboard? I want to activate 4K but it says that the TV (LG 49UJ635V) does not support it. I enabled HDMI Deep Color for HDMI 2 and the cable is also a "4K cable". Any ideas?
 

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I use my C8 as is as the sound is good enough for my needs. If I need to keep the volume down out of consideration for the neighbours [I live in a flat] then I use wired headphones. The idea of a proper surround system is appealing but not at the expense of being an inconsiderate neighbour.

Similar situation here so I just use the tv speakers throughout the day and headphones when I'm watching a disc. My player (Panasonic UB900) has an option to downmix whatever surround track is playing to a hi-res 96khz/24-bit stereo stream and output that via optical. I then feed that into a FiiO Alpen portable DAC/amp and listen with a pair of Sennheiser HD600 cans. It's a bit of a rough solution but it didn't require any additional investment and does the job for now.
 

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Guys, am I in the correct thread if I have a question regarding to monitors? I'm planning on making and upgrade and I need somme advice.
 

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Gah... I'm still at least a few months away from buying a new TV, but I can tell this will be a tough decision for me. On paper, I'm sold on the Samsung Q90. I like the TV design, features, and remote compared to my current set.

But...

Then I pop into Best Buy while my wife is doing some shopping, and just find myself in awe of the LG OLED sets. The demo content looks more natural on the LG to me, while the Samsung opts for almost eye-searing brights on colors. Maybe it's just the content there, but I feel like I'd be happier with the LG based on the picture alone. It doesn't hurt that the pricing is generally lower than Samsung's QLED sets too.

This is going to be tough... Anyone else have a similar dilemma and if so, what'd you end up with?
 

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If you are more impressed by OLED in a showroom, then you are only going to be more so once you get one settled into your home environment and experience how they perform in more muted light. If you aren't fazed by the potential of burn-in then I think you know what to do.
 

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Similar situation here so I just use the tv speakers throughout the day and headphones when I'm watching a disc. My player (Panasonic UB900) has an option to downmix whatever surround track is playing to a hi-res 96khz/24-bit stereo stream and output that via optical. I then feed that into a FiiO Alpen portable DAC/amp and listen with a pair of Sennheiser HD600 cans. It's a bit of a rough solution but it didn't require any additional investment and does the job for now.

I have a similar set up. I use a small amp I bought for my DAP that I don't particularly need for that purpose. That gives the optical out a boost for my headphones. Like you I usually use the headphones if I am playing a disc as I find that it helps to pick up any mumbled dialogue better than the tv speakers. At some stage I will consider a dedicated amp but for now it does the job and I don't have to abuse my bank balance any more :).
 

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Bought a 4k TCL 65 r617.

Have been watching nothing but 4k cooking videos on Youtube like this:


I can't seem to stop
 

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That's good to hear but I'd rather hear feedback from users as Archer was pretty useless when it came to reporting the B6 issues I mentioned before.
There's already one user on the AVSForum who has gotten access to the new firmware and also confirms that the problem has largely been fixed. LG seems to have made some gamma adjustments and implemented dithering in the lower range, which has eliminated this problem in most material (including the infamous scenes from Vikings and the Handmaid's Tales). Said user also mentioned it made improvements to banding and uniformity on his TV, which makes sense now that dithering has been added. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the changes to the picture that come with this fix, they believe that people who have had their set calibrated may need to get theirs redone. Also, this a firmware fix that only applies to LG sets at the picture processing level; OLED TVs from other brands will have to implement their own fix since they all use proprietary processing.

I wouldn't say that LG is any less reliable than the other brands. Sony's first OLEDs had a dimming issue that I don't believe was ever completely fixed and their Dolby Vision support wasn't executed well. Panasonic's OLEDs from last year exhibit a random hitching or stutter with a 24p signal. The only other major issue with last year's LG models (other than uniformity problems) is a buzzing power supply on some of the 77C8's, but we don't know if there's going to be a fix for that yet.
 

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There's already one user on the AVSForum who has gotten access to the new firmware and also confirms that the problem has largely been fixed. LG seems to have made some gamma adjustments and implemented dithering in the lower range, which has eliminated this problem in most material (including the infamous scenes from Vikings and the Handmaid's Tales). Said user also mentioned it made improvements to banding and uniformity on his TV, which makes sense now that dithering has been added. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the changes to the picture that come with this fix, they believe that people who have had their set calibrated may need to get theirs redone. Also, this a firmware fix that only applies to LG sets at the picture processing level; OLED TVs from other brands will have to implement their own fix since they all use proprietary processing.

I wouldn't say that LG is any less reliable than the other brands. Sony's first OLEDs had a dimming issue that I don't believe was ever completely fixed and their Dolby Vision support wasn't executed well. Panasonic's OLEDs from last year exhibit a random hitching or stutter with a 24p signal. The only other major issue with last year's LG models (other than uniformity problems) is a buzzing power supply on some of the 77C8's, but we don't know if there's going to be a fix for that yet.

Fair point. I was particularly bitter the morning I made that post as I had to recalibrate my set (again) after downgrading to working older firmware.

In a complete change of subject - has anyone else watched the series Ozark in Dolby Vision. Season 2 specifically? Is it an issue my end or is the picture very dark and dull?
 
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Fair point. I was particularly bitter the morning I made that post as I had to recalibrate my set (again) after downgrading to working older firmware.

In a complete change of subject - has anyone else watched the series Ozark in Dolby Vision. Season 2 specifically? Is it an issue my end or is the picture very dark and dull?

LOL to your first point...you did seem like you were pissed :)

And yes, Ozark has terrible overall PQ in my opinion. I agree with your assessment and that is on OLED, LED and my iPad.
 

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Hello guys! I desperately need your help on an issue.Ive always gamed on monitor so all my consoles were just plugged in with no issues. I recently purchased an lg 4k tv (49uj634v) plugged my trusty old ps4 slim on it and was amazed by the dark blacks and colourful colours. that was until I tried Outlast 2 on it. I can't see a damn thing in dark areas. I researched a bit about it and realised I am supposed to use black level high since my rgb level on ps4 is full but doing that makes everything washed out and the colours weak. What am I doing wrong? Also when gaming in HDR the colours looks washed out with black level high. Am I supposed to tweak my tv? IS the ps4 supposed to look so bad with the tvs recommended settings? Is my cable faulty or my tv (I don't think so since my Nintendo switch with full rgb looks awesome and black level high) Please help me resetter people.
Thanks a lot in advance and sorry for the long post and my bad English . Have a great day.
When I still had a non pro ps4, HDR would only display right if I outputted in full RGB, but I'm not sure why that results in a washed out image for you.

Unlike the Pro, regular PS4s don't do YUV when in HDR, allowing you to select black level on your TV.
 

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In a complete change of subject - has anyone else watched the series Ozark in Dolby Vision. Season 2 specifically? Is it an issue my end or is the picture very dark and dull?
And yes, Ozark has terrible overall PQ in my opinion. I agree with your assessment and that is on OLED, LED and my iPad.

Ozark was very dark for me too. Netflix is weird with Dolby Vision. Some shows look phenomenal, and some others look really bad. DV is very hit and miss on Netlflix I find. I hope they get better in the future.
 

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I just got the tv that was a replacement for the broken one I got a couple weeks ago, and it's broken in the exact same way (almost as if they sent me the same tv twice in different packaging), so I'm just not going to buy another TV from Amazon again. If you're curious, here's the problem: https://twitter.com/jmood88/status/1105537895513968641. I found the E8 on sale at newegg for $1399, so now I'm hoping that I will get my refund in time to buy it.
 

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Seconding the Formula 1: Drive To Survive recommendation. Some of the most compelling, vivid 4k stuff I've seen.
 

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And yes, Ozark has terrible overall PQ in my opinion. I agree with your assessment and that is on OLED, LED and my iPad.
Ozark was very dark for me too. Netflix is weird with Dolby Vision. Some shows look phenomenal, and some others look really bad. DV is very hit and miss on Netlflix I find. I hope they get better in the future.

Thanks guys. It is particularly annoying as when the teaser plays in the background sans DV it looks amazing. I think the first season was just regular SDR 4K and I don't remember it looking bad at all. Might be misremembering though.
 

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When I still had a non pro ps4, HDR would only display right if I outputted in full RGB, but I'm not sure why that results in a washed out image for you.

Unlike the Pro, regular PS4s don't do YUV when in HDR, allowing you to select black level on your TV.

maybe I got used to the more saturated colours of the faulty combo?every colour looks weak in comparison now and in HDR its even more pronounced.
 

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maybe I got used to the more saturated colours of the faulty combo?every colour looks weak in comparison now and in HDR its even more pronounced.
Maybe someone more experienced can comment. Bad picture output should only occur when there's an RGB level mismatch between your TV and device (either crushed blacks or a washed out image). The only thing I remember with the standard PS4 though is getting crushed blacks with HDR when I used limited - limited on my KS9000 (SDR is fine and looks the same between limited-limited and full-full). I can't really tell if it was a problem unique to my TV because I have yet to find anyone with the same problem.
 

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Those gaming numbers are impressive for Sony. Still unfortunate that Sony is using Android TV.
 

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Is this an okay place to ask about PC monitors? I want a 27-30" 4K 60hz monitor mostly for game development. I don't play 3D games much (I don't have a gaming PC) but I still want something nice enough.

I'm leaning towards the LG 27" UK850 or UK650. Any other recommendations in the £400 ballpark?
 

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So I've had my LG 65" B6 Oled for pretty much 2 years now. I am a gamer and I've used the tv for gaming and netflix etc. After two years my screen has quite a lot of burn-in from different games. It is noticeable.

It doesn't matter how many times I've ran the screen clean cycle, the stuff is there and it ain't going anywhere.

I'm semi-fine with this, but just a reminder for people who are thinking about OLED's. Newer TV's are probably better at this sure.
 

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It sounds like the Oreo update has resolved a lot of performance issues that older versions of Android Tv had. Although I did read that older sets like the 900e are extremely buggy and you might not want to update. 😬
 

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Why don't you like Android?

Also, well done Sony, let the contrast go to shit for viewing angles and still getting the same complains about them. XDR10 for the win.
Google basically ported Android for phones to TV. That means all the bad shit about Android came along with it. I can't find the videos right now cause i'm on my cell. One, it's slow and clunky to navigate and use, especially when compared to webOS or Tizen. It crashes more than any other TV OS. Having to turn off several services just to get better performance from the TV is embarrassing (see HDTVtest video). And the last thing, Android is notorious for is slow updates. I think we've been on Android P for 6 months now and I don't think it'll hit Sony TVs until 2020. Even when it does hit, I don't expect across all of Sony's range; even TVs from just 2 years ago they won't get Android 9.

For their TVs they could probably use a custom version of the PS4 OS but I have no idea