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"Two-thirds" of AC: Odyssey Players Played As Alexios
- Thread starter Mezoly
- Start date
Curious to see how marketing did/did not affect this, as I remember most of it revolving around Alexios rather than Kassandra. Granted, Marketing vs. Playable Representation are related yet separate issues, it would still be interesting to see the effect of one on the other.
They made a mistake by letting players choose what they want? Lol.
There are multiple perspectives to it, they probaly didn't make a mistake from financial one and from "players can choose" one, but on the other hand if they focused on Kassandra they could have tailored the story around her better.
Not gonna lie, it's kind of how you came across, especially by calling her post an "outburst". I suggest you try to listen and empathize instead of being dismissive next time.
Not really. It's easy to see why someone would be unimpressed by spin-off and partial protagonists vs a plethora of fully dedicated male protagonists.
As for the "cowards" thing, there's no need to take this personally, lol (unless you work at Ubisoft). I don't think Ubi's reasons are necessarily cowardly, but I don't blame some people for making that jab. Especially since they've said that going forward it's always gonna be a choice, so we'll never get a mainline entry from a dedicated and fully female protagonist perspective, and that's too bad.
Indeed and I already explained this to this poster...
I choose alexios like every rpg were i need to make choices were i choose a male character and even try to make myself if they let me. I thought his interactions were really fun also.
I also like kassandra but with this type of game she wouldnt be my first choice (but ised on a second playthrough when i dont try to be muself anymore), that has nothing to do with me only chosing male characters because i actually nearly every time choose the female ones in games were there are no dialogs with options. For example in AC syndicate the majorityof my playtime was with Evie, and i loved it. And of cour i love playing with female characters in games were they are the only main protagonist also, and there should be more games like that.
I think people that are always stressing how stupid other people that only choose the male option are, like some of you in resetera, sound like comoplete asses.
The cool thing about having this options is that everyone is happy, i would hate if they took the option in the future for only male for example, but some of you guys need to chill with the hate.
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Damn, i hate writting on my phone.
I also like kassandra but with this type of game she wouldnt be my first choice (but ised on a second playthrough when i dont try to be muself anymore), that has nothing to do with me only chosing male characters because i actually nearly every time choose the female ones in games were there are no dialogs with options. For example in AC syndicate the majorityof my playtime was with Evie, and i loved it. And of cour i love playing with female characters in games were they are the only main protagonist also, and there should be more games like that.
I think people that are always stressing how stupid other people that only choose the male option are, like some of you in resetera, sound like comoplete asses.
The cool thing about having this options is that everyone is happy, i would hate if they took the option in the future for only male for example, but some of you guys need to chill with the hate.
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Damn, i hate writting on my phone.
Can you point out the so-called "hate", by the way?
The worst I've seen are some cheeky "you chose poorly" jabs, and almost all of those are simply because they think Kassandra's VA is better.
Relax, guys.
You say they are cheeky, i say they are not.
When something "cheeky" is repeated to nauseaum (and not only in this thread, it happened also in the voting one), it starts to sound more aggressive than cheeky.
I chose Kasandra and love her character, but I'm having the same issue I have every time I choose to play as female. The armor and animation simply don't look as cool as the males'.
From what I've seen they both look like pretty trash characters with annoying voices. I've only seen trailers and a couple hours worth of gameplay footage though.
I've only played up until you leave the first island, but unsure if I like Kassandra as a character. I may try Alexios before continuing.
This is why Ubisoft didn't and shouldn't have Kassandra as the only choice in this game. They would've had a bigger shitstorm on their hands than Dice did with Battlefield V.
If they ever visit ancient Greece again......they can do one with Amazons!!
That would make sense to have a dedicated female protagonist perspective only, not this one.
The point is that games can and do exclude female options without needing to justify it, while wanting a story that is just about a woman has to be justified.
ACO is a fantastical fictionalized Ancient Greece, you don't need to have a male option. You CAN, but the notion that it would be a shitstorm for valid reasons is silly given that a fair portion of the people upset about, say, Battlefield V, were upset because it was a woman in a game on the cover, not because it was a Battlefield game. A lot of these are the same people who are still brooding over Gone Home getting good reviews.
No valid outrage would exist if Odyssey had only a female protagonist, and you don't need to write a story where being a woman is, in part, what defines the character for a female protagonist to be a justifiable thing.
Not disagreeing that this place is ultra progressive but just because you picked Alexios to play as does not mean you aren't a progressive person.
There is nothing inherently wrong with preferring to play as male. Just like there is nothing wrong with people wanting to play as a female ( and they obviously have had less opportunity in years gone).
The problem lies where if people take issue with playing as a female character. Where if Kassandra was the only playable character then you would kick up a fuss.
As I said I personally prefer playing a male character so naturally chose Alexios but if it wasn't an option and I had to play as Kassandra that would have no bearing of my enjoyment of the game.
It's not different at all. All the lines are the same, npcs respond to you same no matter what gender you choose. Cutscenes are the same except for different facial animations.
When i have the choice or can create my own character i usually play as a woman because chances are high that if you don't have a choice you play as a dude. In Odyssey specifically playing as Kassandra was a no brainer. Alexios VO alone makes him almost unplayable for me.
I've been saving this game to play over my xmas break. Only a few hours in, but I feel that Kassandra is a bit flat when compared to Bayek in the last game. I'm optimistic though as I've initially thought that about plenty of characters only to warm to them as time goes on.
If two-thirds of players are still choosing the male character (despite being inferior according to most), it's not exactly "cowardly" to keep the male character as an option, is it? It's just smart business. Odyssey might have been a better game if it was Kassandra's sole story, but it's very likely that it would've sold fewer copies as well. Ubisoft maximizes their potential customer base by having two protagonists.
Agree. I mean playful shaming is fine, but trying to peg people's politics based on an in game choice? Silly.
Refusing to take the mildest of risks (Ubisoft business isn't hurting at all) and taking the so-called safest business choice is pretty much exactly what she meant by cowardice.
I suppose, but just because a company's business isn't hurting doesn't mean they're going to turn down revenue for no reason. Especially not a publicly traded company like Ubi. Going with a female-only lead is unlikely to have increased sales. Best case scenario, they would've done as well as they generally do anyway. In the eyes of the bean counters, there are only potential cons there, no pros.
There's no way I could ever play as Alexios now, considering how awesome Kassandra was and how attached I got to her character and her story.
I just hope Ubi doesn't see these stats as "they don't like girl protagonists, guys only from now on".
I just hope Ubi doesn't see these stats as "they don't like girl protagonists, guys only from now on".
By that logic, no game dev should ever make games featuring dedicated female protagonists, since a male protags would "always sell more". Fortunately, the makers of Mirrors Edge, Horizon, Tomb Raider, etc. have decided to "take those risks". Hell, even Ubisoft did, too, by making Bayek and Marcus Holloway black men instead of white men.
True. I guess I'm just judging Assassin's Creed as more of a "dudebro" franchise like Call of Duty. Maybe that isn't fair to it, I dunno. I admittedly haven't played one in a while.
Guess you must have missed the thread, lots of gaming sites, lots of reviewers and gaming personalities on twitter and youtube saying if you played Alexios 'you did it wrong' as if you should automatically play the female option out of obligation just because the option is there.
Yeah, Alexios was presented as the default choice in pretty much all marketing material, including the front cover of the game itself. Hardly surprising that most players then chose to play as Alexios. I'll also wager that most meal purchases in Burger King include a burger, and not a chicken sandwich.
Pretty much. I like playing as a man because that's who I am, and identify with. Played as Male-Shep for example and regret nothing. It's easier for me to "roleplay" and to get "into it" this way.
However, if there is no option (e.g. Bayonetta, Beyond Good & Evil, Mirror's Edge) it's cool stuff, let's kick some ass as a lady.
All in all, I don't care, I just want to play good video games. So if there's only a female character, that won't stop me and it won't reduce the experience or anything like that.
Perhaps those 33% wouldn't have bought the game at all if not for the woman protagonist option?
I didn't play the game but I got a question : Why are people saying "Kassandra is more fun/the better character" ?
Doesn't both Alexios and Kassandra have the exact same story/dialogue/personnality ? I remember Ubisoft saying that they're the same character basically.
Doesn't both Alexios and Kassandra have the exact same story/dialogue/personnality ? I remember Ubisoft saying that they're the same character basically.
