UAP/UFO |OT|

Forerunner · May 2, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/AskaPol_UAPs/status/1786131613421548021

Ask a Pol asks:
How was your meeting with AARO's — All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office — interim director Timothy Phillips?

Gillibrand:
"I let him know that I'd like to have a public hearing this summer," Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand exclusively tells Ask a Pol. "And so he's gonna put together some data and information to disclose in a public hearing to show what work they've done, especially examples of things that were unknown that they've been able to figure out and examples of things that were unknown that they still haven't figured out so that the public can see the difference between what technology brings to this analysis to inform lawmakers on what we need to do."

AARO's declassified report seemed like case closed?
"Oh, it's definitely not case closed. I think that their report was just that their analysis of everything they were shown and everyone they talked to, cause they had no basis to say there's a secret program," Gillibrand told us. "But of note, the two whistleblowers that I've met with did not meet with AARO and refused to meet with AARO. And so maybe the next director they'll meet with, but I can't assess them unless AARO can talk to them, cause I don't — I mean, AARO knows what they know and what they've seen and what they've been shown."

Caught our ear: Schumer's UAP amendment to NDAA
"I thought Chuck got done what he wanted to get done, but maybe I'm mistaken. I thought he accomplished what he wanted," Gillibrand says. "The work I wanna keep doing is to have much more thorough data collection, because we are still seeing so many unidentified aerial phenomena and we don't know what they are. And that's very frustrating."

"It's terrifying from a national security perspective and just for these pilots to have to fly and do their jobs to not be safe and to not know what they're running up against," Gillibrand tells Ask a Pol. "And I'm just very worried about technology that we're not aware of, particularly if it's from an adversary that's doing it for malign interests, whether it's Russia, China, Iran or others. Very important."

JetmanJay · May 2, 2024

Forerunner said:
The Pentagon is lying about UFOs

The decades-long “nothing-to-see-here” approach to UFOs continues, unabated.

thehill.com

I will say as someone who has worked on multiple fighter aircraft radar from different airframes, I found it highly suspect that the radar popped a circuit breaker, has been doing so for months, and couldn't be fixed. That would be the easiest failure to troubleshoot. I have worked on different aircraft for well over 10 years and never seen radar pop a circuit breaker. Usually these radars just have some degraded functionality, random birds/hits on the scope, and they can just not work for a multitude of other more complex reasons, and is generally a matter of determining which part could cause the problem if a fault code isn't tripped - but popping a circuit breaker is a red flashing light to look at the power supply/check for a massive short in the wiring or what not. There would likely be a huge smoking gun, impossible to miss if a power breaker was tripping on radar.
My bullshit meter definitely went off reading that report.

And in an unrelated note - I never get updates to this thread unless I go into Hangouts and actively look for it. Any other thread I'm watching is fine, just specifically this one 🫤

thesuperfunk · May 2, 2024

JetmanJay said:
And in an unrelated note - I never get updates to this thread unless I go into Hangouts and actively look for it. Any other thread I'm watching is fine, just specifically this one 🫤

I'm probably only subbed to Trump trial threads and this ...my experience is also similar!

JetmanJay · May 2, 2024

thesuperfunk said:
I'm probably only subbed to Trump trial threads and this ...my experience is also similar!

Weird! I blame the mod who shoved this thread into a tiny corner of ERA, hoping no one would see it, and that everyone would forget it. Probably put some fucking timer on this thread to quit sending notices after a few months 😩

Forerunner · May 4, 2024

Capturing UFOs

From science fiction to science...

www.economist.com

When a story about UFOs came across the desk of The Economist's Michelle Hennessy, she was sceptical. A powerful cultural legacy of flying saucers and aliens is hard to ignore. But a recent flurry of interest from U.S defence agencies and NASA, stress the serious and scientific task of shedding light on what's happening in the skies above.

Forerunner · May 6, 2024

Pennsylvania has investigated more than a dozen UFO incidents in the past decade, records show • Pennsylvania Capital-Star

Pennsylvania's emergency management director Randy Padfield told lawmakers in February the agency tracks UFO sightings. So we looked into it.

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After the head of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency (PEMA) casually mentioned during a legislative hearing earlier this year that the agency tracks UFO sightings, the Capital-Star obtained records showing PEMA has investigated more than a dozen such events in the last decade.

"We take all reports and we share it with the appropriate agencies to be able to investigate," Padfield told members of the state House Appropriations Committee in February.

"We have had reports of unidentified flying objects in the past," Padfield said before quickly moving on to the role of the Federal Aviation Administration in regulating drones.

"So, wait. Run that back again. What did you say about UFOs?" House Appropriations Committee Chairperson Jordan Harris (D-Philadelphia) asked when Padfield had finished his answer.

"Most of them are unfounded, or they're attributable to some other mechanisms," Padfield concluded, prompting another follow up from Harris.

"So, what about the un-most?" Harris asked. "You're talking like ET phone home or something?"

Padfield conceded that some sightings are "undefined" and are difficult to understand unless the person reporting the phenomenon gets pictures but everything is passed along to the appropriate agencies.

Not satisfied with Padfield's answer, the Capital-Star filed a right-to-know request with PEMA seeking records of unidentified flying objects and aerial phenomena and, for good measure, "encounters with unknown beings including those of suspected extra-terrestrial or cryptozoological nature."

Many are resolved with a little bit of research, he said. "We've always taken these cases very open mindedly. We approach them scientifically."

Other reports are less easily explained.

On Sept. 21, 2023, a Shermans Dale man reported a UFO with eight vertical lights he described as white, yellow, and a hint of green hovering about 200 feet above the road near a Perry County gas station. The man attempted to take a video with his cellphone before the lights disappeared but he later discovered the video had not been saved, the PEMA records say.

A Lower Saucon Township man called the Northampton County 911 center Dec. 19, 2021, to report a flying saucer with seven or eight lights on its underside over his development. Police responded but it's unclear from the records whether they took any action. PEMA provided the caller with contact information for Gordon's hotline, the records say.

Montgomery County authorities investigated after an Upper Pottsgrove Township man reported a glowing orb about the size of a small aircraft fell from the sky on Sept. 15, 2014. The object, which he described as orange and yellow fire-colored, floated behind the treeline and did not reappear. An officer who responded reported seeing flashes in the area but no other suspicious activity.

"There are a lot of cases that are very, very detailed that are not easy to explain away," Gordon said.

JetmanJay · May 6, 2024

Huh. I wonder if each state has a 'emergency management agency' that files away specific reports of this nature?

Forerunner · May 8, 2024

View: https://x.com/DoD_AARO/status/1788223137277952196

coldsagging · May 8, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1788158597828063578?t=6tSps3xr37IvlAZPxtzQuQ&s=19

Panicky Duck · May 8, 2024

coldsagging said:
View: https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1788158597828063578?t=6tSps3xr37IvlAZPxtzQuQ&s=19

Whatever those objects were, that was a very interesting read.

Forerunner · May 8, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1788327183405977884

This Well-Known UFO Debunker is Skeptical of the DoD’s Recent Investigations into Aerial Mysteries. Here’s Why. - The Debrief

This prominent UFO skeptic says he has a few problems with recent investigations by the DoD's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

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The problems with AARO's analysis weren't overlooked by Mick West, arguably the most well-known UFO skeptic and the administrator of Metabunk, a website that crowdsources information West and other site contributors use to attempt to resolve UAP cases. In a posting on X following the release of AARO's case analysis on the Eglin incident, West was quick to point out that the object in the photos obtained by the pilot bore little resemblance to images of a commercial lighting balloon used for comparison in AARO's report.

The Debrief reached out to West regarding his views on AARO's analysis of the Eglin UAP case, as well as other issues that have arisen with official publications issued by the Pentagon's UAP investigative office in recent weeks; most notably, AARO's long-awaited "Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) Volume I," which it released earlier this year.

For West, the lighting balloon theory falls short of offering a definitive resolution for the case, as do several of AARO's other recent assertions.

"The lighting balloon hypothesis always felt like something someone at AARO liked, but wasn't really supported by much evidence," West told The Debrief in an email.

West told The Debrief that Kirkpatrick's remarks had initially sounded "almost as if he was trying to explain the Nimitz Tic-Tac, which would be rather a stretch." However, with the release of the AARO's report on the Eglin UAP case, it is now clear that this was the incident Kirkpatrick had been referring to at the time. West says that although some kind of lighter-than-air object cannot be dismissed, even AARO seemed uncertain whether this was a definitive conclusion, despite the report now being categorized as resolved.

"In the Eglin case, it can't be ruled out, but it's also not the only hypothesis [AARO] put forward," West points out, noting that AARO's recent report on the incident suggests that the Eglin UAP had been "very likely a lighter-than-air object, such as a large commercial lighting balloon," although the report's authors express that limited data on the case makes it difficult to rule out other potential explanations.

"Ideally the data would be public, as the more eyes you have on something, the quicker issues and questions get resolved," West told The Debrief. "AARO works with two partners, an IC (Intelligence Community) partner and an S&T (Science and Technology) partner. It's not clear who they are, but they both seem to have reached similar conclusions. Oddly, neither seem to comment on the lighting balloon hypothesis, which suggests that it was internal to AARO, so three teams."

Fundamentally, West says that working more closely with independent researchers under such circumstances could have helped AARO produce a better, more accurate final report and may have reduced negative responses from many who, justifiably, viewed the report as lacking quality and factual merit.

"There's no real downside," West concluded, "and an error-free report is a much better way of conveying your research and conclusions than what they actually produced."

Forerunner · May 9, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/MvonRen/status/1788532872493568079

Has the U.S. government secretly retrieved exotic craft of "non-human" origin? Newly declassified documents, along with extraordinary legislation, illustrate how two successive Democratic Senate majority leaders appear to have believed so.

Notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and the late Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) were not alone in their focus on UFOs. The Democratic heavyweights received critical support and encouragement from a bipartisan group of high-profile senators over the years, including former fighter pilot and famed astronaut John Glenn (D-Ohio); Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who observed a UFO as a World War II pilot; Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), then-chairman of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense; 2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.); Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.); Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.).

In late 2011, for example, the top scientist at the Department of Homeland Security met with Lieberman, then chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Reid to discuss the establishment of an ultra-secret UFO program.

As outlined in remarkable detail in newly released documents, the intent of the proposed program was to "gain access to and inventory" UFOs secretly under "investigation in National Laboratories, government organizations and/or contractors."

From there, the program would engage in "laboratory experimentation" and "scientific investigation" to foster "technology exploitation" of the recovered materials.

Notably, the Reid- and Lieberman-backed proposal included an "Oral History Initiative" to interview a pre-identified "list of retired, previously highly placed government, armed services, contractor, and intelligence community individuals" with knowledge of the "location of advanced aerospace technology and biological samples."

More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious "legacy programs" that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of "non-human" origin.

In eyebrow-raising comments on the Senate floor, Schumer said the government "has gathered a great deal of information about [UFOs] over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people."

Separate legislation, sponsored by Rubio and Senate Intelligence and Armed Services committee member Gillibrand, cuts off funding for illicit UFO programs. Language accompanying the legislation outlines, in remarkable detail, the various elements that such a program would entail, including UFO retrieval procedures, scientific analysis, reverse-engineering and security and counterintelligence efforts. President Biden signed Gillibrand and Rubio's legislation into law in December.

Moreover, in response to the "government's blanket denials regarding the possession of off-world technology," Mellon recently posted a 2020 exchange describing how a "senior government official" uncovered the "management structure and security control systems" of a UFO retrieval program. The official also claimed to have identified the "gatekeeper" controlling access to the Air Force's secret UFO efforts.

mrbogus · May 9, 2024

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/MvonRen/status/1788532872493568079

If only those deceased Senators had said something to the tax paying public years ago before they died (former astronaut Glenn especially).

Forerunner · May 9, 2024

UAPs in Canada: A Conversation with MP Larry Maguire on Disclosure, Transparency, and Government Action - The Debrief

Canadian MP Larry Maguire shares his thoughts on the UAP subject and the Canadian government's position on these phenomena.

thedebrief.org

In a conversation with The Debrief, MP Larry Maguire recently explored his thoughts on the UAP subject, the Canadian government's position, and his proposals for advancing the subject in Canada (the following Q&A has undergone minor editing for additional clarity).

Chrissy Newton: What sparked your initial interest in the topic of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in Canada?

MP Larry Maguire: The New York Times story in 2017, that showed the American government was investigating UAPs.

CN: What made you want to come forward in 2023 to address the alleged crash retrievals and secret multi-nation UAPs program Canada and the United States have participated in?

LM: Policymakers in Canada need to understand that, over the decades, various parts of the government have investigated UAP. I do not know which people know what information or what has been shared with our allies.

CN: Why is it so important that the Canadian government become more involved in investigating these phenomena?

LM: This lies in the fact that the government as a whole is not investigating UAP reports as well as the fact there are countless reports laying around in filing cabinets and no one is dealing with them.

CN: To your knowledge, what Canadian government political parties have been briefed on the UAP topic to date?

LM: I am aware of MPs from the Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party who have shown interest and spoken with people in this space.

CN: Can you share any specific incidents or reports that have particularly caught your attention regarding UAP sightings near Canadian nuclear facilities?

LM: There have been several reports regarding UAP sightings near Canadian nuclear facilities. The most recent that comes to mind was in Pickering, Ontario, in 2021.

CN: Mr. Maguire, considering the extensive reporting of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in Canada, including near nuclear power facilities, and the efforts of journalist Daniel Otis to access records related to these phenomena, what steps do you believe should be taken to ensure transparency and public access to information regarding UAP sightings near Canadian nuclear sites?

LM: The Minister of Natural Resources should issue a ministerial directive to the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission to immediately declassify all incidents and set up a process for future incidents.

CN: Do you think the UAP topic will be used as a political ploy in the next election for votes? If so, how and why?

LM: No.

CN: Looking ahead, what do you hope to achieve or see in terms of government action or policy changes regarding UAP phenomena in Canada?

LM: Having all relevant information given to the Chief Science Advisor, and once we see the Sky Canada report and recommendations, the Parliamentary Science Committee should do its own individual study. Then we can determine the next steps and provide further recommendations to the government.

JetmanJay · May 9, 2024

Notably, the Reid- and Lieberman-backed proposal included an "Oral History Initiative" to interview a pre-identified "list of retired, previously highly placed government, armed services, contractor, and intelligence community individuals" with knowledge of the "location of advanced aerospace technology and biological samples.
Notably, the Reid- and Lieberman-backed proposal included an "Oral History Initiative" to interview a pre-identified "list of retired, previously highly placed government, armed services, contractor, and intelligence community individuals" with knowledge of the "location of advanced aerospace technology and biological samples."

This makes it sound like our government has absolutely no idea which contractors have what, or where those 'what's' would even be.
How could there not have been some kind of standard office that controls and manages who has this tech?

Akira86 · May 9, 2024

Even if they did have some centralized control and organization, it would be too classified for almost anyone to know it exists. So, outside-looking-in, it would still appear to be a big disorganized mess where nobody knew where anything was and no one can keep track of anything, and certainly no one would be able come in and follow an organized path back to the origins of who ordered what.

If there was a road map it would take some digging to find. Probably even more digging to find someone who knew what it was. And drilling a hole to the center of the earth to find someone who could actually read it.

Forerunner · May 9, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/BrandonFugal/status/1788708348340187605

On April 19, 2018, my team from Skinwalker Ranch was asked to provide a confidential briefing in Washington D.C. to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence & United States Armed Services Committee. Sean Kirkpatrick was at the head of the table. It lasted 2.5 hrs.

Forerunner · May 11, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1789249751407358426

If you're into UFOs and aliens, the last five years or so have been fantastic.

There's been a big shift in the public discourse around UFOs and alien life, thanks in large part to a 2019 story published in the New York Times about reports of UFOs — also known as unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) — off the East Coast a decade ago. Since then, the whole topic of UFOs feels considerably less fringe than it once did.

Diana Pasulka is a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington and the author of two books on this topic. Her first book, American Cosmic, was focused on the religious dimensions of UFO mythology. The new one is called Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences, and it dives into the experiences of people who claim to have encountered alien life.

I recently invited Pasulka to The Gray Area to talk about her research, the stories she's heard from people who claim to have experienced UFOs, and how her views have evolved in surprising directions. As always, there's much more in the full podcast, so listen to and follow The Gray Area on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pandora, or wherever you find podcasts. New episodes drop every Monday.

Sean Illing
When you write in this book that UFO events are a "spiritual reality" for people, what does that mean?

Diana Pasulka
UFO events are transformative realities for the people who experience them. They're not necessarily good — religious events are sometimes bad and sometimes good. I heard people talk about their experiences with UFOs and sometimes with what they called "beings associated with UFOs" and it sounded very similar to what I had been reading about in the Catholic historical record.

I was finishing a book about the Catholic doctrine of purgatory, and I noticed that there were a lot of aerial events in the Catholic tradition, the historical record. There were no planes, there were no rockets back then. People were seeing things in the sky and they were interpreting them in various ways, one of which was these could be souls from purgatory or they could be houses of saints and things like that. I think we're dealing with something here that isn't necessarily a new religion so much as a new form of spirituality.

Sean Illing
So when people tell you that they've encountered aliens or they've been visited by angels, you really believe them?

Diana Pasulka
I believe that they believe it, but that doesn't commit me to the belief that it happened. I'll give you an example. Srinivasa Ramanujan was a very famous mathematician in the early 20th century from India, and he was a genius. And he believed these math calculations were whispered in his ear by his goddess, the goddess of his local region. I think she was a version of Lakshmi. So that's a story that takes hold and gets repeated.

Now, am I committed to the belief that Lakshmi gave Ramanujan that? No, I'm not. But I can definitely study that process, and I can study it in people today who say that they are experiencing aliens who are giving them this type of creative impulse, and I can leave aside the question of the objective existence of these entities.

Sean Illing
I just don't know what to do with some of these stories and characters you profile in the book. The vividness of the accounts, the consistencies, the depth — it is puzzling, to say the least. It's hard to believe there's nothing to see here.

Diana Pasulka
Well, I agree with you. I mean, I started out as a complete nonbeliever. But when I met people who were in the space program or top researchers, one at Stanford, and there were so many of them, I was absolutely shocked. And that shock lasted for a couple of years.

I've been studying this now for about 14 years, so that's a long time. I actually believe these people. It's definitely changed the way I look at the historical religions as well as what people are talking about today. We can only say that these people are having these experiences. Most of them will not come out and say that because of their jobs. There's still a stigma and I don't blame these people for not coming out publicly. I'm just not going to disbelieve them because I've met thousands of people who are credible witnesses, and the patterns are so similar.

Sean Illing
The skeptic in me says the will to believe is so strong in the human mind and we can sincerely convince ourselves of almost anything. I believe that the people you write about in the book believe the things they're telling you to be true.

But as you were saying, that doesn't mean they're true or it doesn't mean that they're reliably true. So to take one random example, there's that guy you talked to who moved his family out of Los Angeles to live in some remote town because he got a message from Jupiter telling him to do so. That just sounds like the hallucinations of a confused person.

Diana Pasulka
I mean, what did the pilgrims do? Or what did people who had visions and thought that they needed to leave Egypt or go someplace because a god told them to? Or because they had a vision from an angel that told them to do this? This is how I see that type of thing. I see it as a continuation of a process that humans have experienced for thousands of years. It's a fundamental religious impulse. That's how I see it.

Sean Illing
A religious impulse, sure, but that's separate from the question of truthfulness. And again, I may sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm just being honest about my own ambivalence. Despite what I just said about the will to believe being strong, I also think the will to hold on to our current worldview is strong because letting go of that means letting go of almost everything we take to be true — and that's scary.

So there are forces pushing in both directions here. For me, the only sensible position at this point is agnosticism. I'm open to the evidence, but there's not enough yet.

Diana Pasulka
Yeah, I do think that. I also want to push back a little on what you said about the will to believe. It seems like most people don't want to experience these things. That pilot didn't want to experience that. He didn't want to believe it. He was just going about his life, doing fine, and then everything gets turned upside down. He sees this face in the clouds and it's almost mocking him. Who would want to experience that?

This is also the case with people who claim to have seen angels or souls from purgatory in the 1600s or 1700s. They weren't actually looking for that.

I put one of those experiences in my book about purgatory, and it was this nun who saw an orb and it would come into her cell in the convent and she was terrified. And she told people in the convent, nobody believed her, but she kept to her story and finally Mother Teresa sat up with her and sure enough she saw the same thing. And so, they then interpreted that orb as a soul from purgatory and the whole convent prayed for weeks to get rid of it, and it finally disappeared.

Sean Illing
To get back to this broader question about the possibility of alien life, I'm not even going to ask if this discovery would be the most significant event in human history, because it obviously would be. But I do wonder what you think the most significant implication of that discovery would be for us as a species?

Diana Pasulka
For a person who has studied the historical religions, I would say that most people in the world believe in nonhuman intelligence because most people are religious. And so within various different religions, you have different forms of nonhuman intelligences that display themselves in different ways to people. It's mostly people in the post-Enlightenment West who are disbelievers in that narrative. So it would absolutely be the most shocking event for us, and the implication would be something like a post-secular society.

Forerunner · May 15, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1790806925724020789

A U.S. intelligence agency wanted to meet with Transport Canada's "lead" on UFOs amid heightened interest and headline-grabbing news about the Pentagon's UFO research efforts and congressional hearings in the U.S.

But through multiple freedom of information requests, a CTVNews.ca investigation shows the senior federal transportation official repeatedly tried to downplay the enigmatic issue by contributing to "contradictory" media statements, pushing back against access to information requests, and deflecting questions to the Americans while also being involved in a UFO briefing for the transport minister's office.

Juneau was Transport Canada's director of safety policy and intelligence for civil aviation before moving to another government department in June 2023.

Juneau suggested meeting the Americans in-person during an upcoming December 2022 trip to Washington, D.C. The emails obtained by CTVNews.ca do not reveal when and where the meeting took place, or what was discussed. Transport Canada would not answer direct questions about the meeting and whether or not it occurred. The U.S. ODNI did not respond to a request for comment.

"Do you have any idea why the U.S. is looking for a contact for UAPs?" the Transport Canada policy adviser asked Juneau in a follow-up email.

"Not a clue though I'm fascinated," Juneau responded. "We've had a huge uptick in enquires (sic) on the matter since the announcement of the first U.S. Pentagon report."

Juneau also tried to intervene with UFO-related freedom of information requests. Canada's Access to Information Act allows government institutions to dismiss a request that is deemed "vexatious, is made in bad faith or is otherwise an abuse of the right to make a request for access to records."

In a January 2022 email, Juneau described UFO information requests as "abusive, harassing, and vexatious," a "wild goose chase," and "not in the interests of taxpayers."

"We need an intervention on this [access to information] request and future [access to information requests] of this nature," Juneau wrote to Transport Canada colleagues. "The sheer amount of hours we have lost on these is ridiculous at this point in what amounts to someone's hunt for little green men."

The email was in response to a specific access to information request filed that month. More than two years later, it has still not been completed.

"I do understand their frustration dealing with all the [access to information] requests," Kavalench said. "Perhaps if they got serious about investigating UAP reports and sharing their results those [access to information] requests would go away."

Kavalench says it's also apparent that U.S. officials are taking the UAP topic more seriously than their Canadian counterparts.

"The U.S. ODNI is trying to collaborate with Transport Canada, yet Canadian officials are not taking this issue seriously," the Manitoba lawmaker said in a statement to CTVNews.ca. "The Minister of Transport must issue a directive to his officials to immediately work with our allies and get them to stop deflecting legitimate media inquiries."

coldsagging · May 16, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1790900658574327959?t=D12bmE5pbuSsDOHxq1aKdA&s=19
Wild.

Edit: full statement

View: https://twitter.com/BobMcGwier_N4HY/status/1790926255673508241?t=bQ3Y6hRupfYkVKArb3mCYg&s=19

TheBee · May 16, 2024

coldsagging said:
View: https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1790900658574327959?t=D12bmE5pbuSsDOHxq1aKdA&s=19
Wild.

Edit: full statement

View: https://twitter.com/BobMcGwier_N4HY/status/1790926255673508241?t=bQ3Y6hRupfYkVKArb3mCYg&s=19

Wait, what? A thread ban?

I'd say that was quite an important statement and very relevant to the thread and recent news.

Forerunner · May 20, 2024

View: https://x.com/thehill/status/1792741106716709026

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) is calling on federal government leaders to declassify all documents related to unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), arguing federal agencies must be transparent if they are going to be funding millions of dollars.

Burchett, a member of the House Oversight Committee, introduced the UAP Transparency Act last week. The act would require the U.S. president to direct all federal agencies and departments to make all documents on UAPs available to the public within 270 days. It would also mandate that the president provide a quarterly report to the House on the progress agencies are making to declassify these records.

The Tennesse Republican pointed to reports from "qualified people" and anecdotes he has heard from former admirals about potential UAP sightings, arguing the public can make its own conclusions about the information if declassified.

"Just tell us what it is. We don't care," he said, adding later, "All it's going to say is this universe is a lot bigger than we give it credit for. We're one grain of sand on a million beaches. Give us the information. Let us decide."

A bipartisan coalition including Burchett, Reps. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), Jared Moskowitz (D-Fla.) and Eric Burlison (R-Mo.) — a group that calls itself the UAP Caucus — has vowed to increase transparency on the topic.

coldcrush · May 21, 2024

Karl Knell at the salt conference today, Knell is so credible his list of accolades is almost funny in how accomplished and legitimate he is

"Non human intelligence exists. Non human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and has been ongoing." - Karl Nell, retired Army Colonel
byu/shogun2909 inUFOs

Forerunner · May 21, 2024

Some claims coming from Karl Nell at the 2024 SALT conference.

Karl Nell is one of the people that vouched for Grusch

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpl0FrdJWfs

coldcrush · May 22, 2024

Full Knell Salt presentation. (not sure if the video above was it but currently is listed as private)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkP0X6vBP88

JetmanJay · May 22, 2024

coldcrush said:
Full Knell Salt presentation. (not sure if the video above was it but currently is listed as private)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkP0X6vBP88

Couldn't even finish watching this guy speak - vague answers to every question. All preceded by "well others suggest" or "these other really important people would say" - no shit motherfucker. We all know what they said. Tell us something new. Grow some conviction and some balls and just out with it.

coldcrush · May 22, 2024

JetmanJay said:
Couldn't even finish watching this guy speak - vague answers to every question. All preceded by "well others suggest" or "these other really important people would say" - no shit motherfucker. We all know what they said. Tell us something new. Grow some conviction and some balls and just out with it.

not trying to be awkward here and I am gonna guess that your not deliberately trolling, but the first question the interviewer really asks him at 2.36 is that ''the million-dollar question is that NHI has visited the planet?'', to which he replies ''Non human intelligence exists, nhi interacts with humanity, and the interaction is ongoing, and there are unelected people in the government that are aware of it''. , the interviewer then goes on to say how confident are you, to which he says ''zero doubt''
I don't know how much more clear he has to be? lol
This guy is about one of the most credible and informed individuals that existed in the government, space command, and then in the very private industry that is being accused of hiding the programs. You should research into his background or at least listen to the first part where he goes through it.
If you dont want to take my word for it maybe you would believe this rear Admiral who is also about as high-level and respectable as they come that also has ''grown a pair'' and directly confirmed truth in what he is saying is true and doubles down on his credibility
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rear...kZ?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
The bravery of these people to come forward with all this information publicly is immense. To insinuate they should grow a pair is about as far off base and disrespectful as humanly possible.

Forerunner · May 22, 2024

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/22/apocalypse-now-and-always-on-ufos-ai-and-encounters-with-non-human-intelligence/

To make things even weirder, now UFOs have been given mainstream legitimacy. We still don't entirely know what they are, but one of the few established facts in this area is that the U.S. government has secretly studied UFOs for decades, and has actively sowed discord about whether they're out there and what they are. The feds and scientists who study them call them UAPs, or "unidentified aerial phenomena," which is admittedly more accurate, but the general public still gravitates toward the term familiarized by "The X Files" and other pop-culture artifacts. Whatever label we use, these things are unidentified. In many cases, we literally don't know what the heck we're seeing.

In her latest book, "Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences," religious scholar D.W. Pasulka seeks to demystify this growing phenomenon, suggesting that the truth is far stranger than fiction. While aliens visiting from other planets remain a popular theory, and cannot be conclusively ruled out, that's far from the only hypothesis. Salon spoke with Pasulka about UFO encounters, new religions built around technology and strange lights in the sky, and the apocalypse.

Your book highlights the idea that UFO experiences aren't much like the mainstream pop-culture depictions. One clear sense in which ideas of UAPs are wrong is that non-human intelligence doesn't necessarily mean E.T. from another planet. The idea of non-human intelligence communicating with humanity is an ancient one, reported throughout all recorded history — but this isn't generally an area that has a strong scientific basis, it would seem. Can we talk about how some of these encounters can take different forms, including some that even weirder than aliens?

So first, I'm a professor of religious studies and most people don't know what we do. We're interdisciplinary: We're archaeologists, sociologists, historians. We come at it from different perspectives and definitely do not advocate for any religious tradition. We think that studying religion is important, because most people in the world are religious, they belong to some traditional religion or nontraditional religion.

There's also this whole realm of new religious movements, which includes spirituality. A lot of people have a religious tradition but get rid of it, in favor of what they think are spiritual experiences, say via meditation, centering prayer or things like that. A lot of people consider themselves spiritual, but not religious, and that also fits into what we study. We study people's practices and beliefs and behaviors, and how they impact greater culture.

That said, we're coming to this idea of how people think about the idea of the UFO. In 2012, I was one of these people that saw the UFOs as extraterrestrial vehicles, advanced technology from somewhere else, but I didn't believe in it. This is the stereotype we inherit from media technologies: films, social media, things that we share. All of us have grown up with some type of extraterrestrial media technology. It could be "Star Wars" or "Star Trek" or "Lost in Space." All of these informed our views of what a UFO is.

So when I started to look into people who have seen UFOs — they call themselves "experiencers" — or just people who've randomly seen UFOs, like pilots, it's generally a fairly transformative experience for them. And it's nothing like how it's portrayed in these movies. It's a lot stranger.

For people who have who see these routinely — and there are people who do — it's much different. I was shocked to find that the government was studying this. The first book I did was "American Cosmic" and I met people in programs who studied this, scientists at the top of their game, Gary Nolan at Stanford University being one of them.

This was shocking to me. It completely reoriented me to what is going on. I also did a study of the space program. I found that the people who were creating the rocket technologies that got us off this planet believed that they were in communication with non-human intelligences — on each side, Russia and the United States, each different. Russia had more of a Christian inflection, and people like Jack Parsons, in our program, thought of it in much more wild, esoteric ways, But they were definitely believing that they were in contact with non-human intelligences and these inspired their rocket calculations.

I found that the United States space program didn't really want to talk about this at all. A lot of people in those programs didn't even know who Jack Parsons was. So there was a compartmentalization that was extreme. This is how I came to recognizing that there was a lot more here than what we inherit as a stereotype.

I read that you're a practicing Catholic. I'm curious whether you have any thoughts about the idea that the government is hiding the truth about UFOs from the public because it would cause world religious organizations to panic or collapse or something. Is this really a genuine risk, what's called "epistemological shock?" Or would most religions be able to adapt? Are we ready for some of these paradigm shifts that seem apparent?

A lot of people from the government have approached me and asked my opinion about how people in religious traditions will feel if the government comes out and says, "Yes, we've been studying UFOs and we believe that they exist." And by the way, the government has done this many times and nobody's really gotten very upset about it. [Editor's note: To clarify, the U.S. government has acknowledged the existence of UAP, but says it has found no evidence they are extraterrestrial or non-human in origin.]

I basically think that religious traditions, or at least almost every religious tradition, have metaphysical categories for non-human intelligence, obviously. I think that it's secular people who don't understand this. There have been studies about people in religions and how they'll feel about it. They're totally fine with it. A lot of them already believe it.

So I think it's not going to create shock. I think that if the government [makes that claim], that's just a way for them not to share the information that they have, because if they have information it probably has to do with national security. And that's a legitimate reason not to share it, frankly. They don't have to make the excuse that religious people are gonna freak out about this.

JetmanJay · May 22, 2024

coldcrush said:
not trying to be awkward here and I am gonna guess that your not deliberately trolling, but the first question the interviewer really asks him at 2.36 is that ''the million-dollar question is that NHI has visited the planet?'', to which he replies ''Non human intelligence exists, nhi interacts with humanity, and the interaction is ongoing, and there are unelected people in the government that are aware of it''. , the interviewer then goes on to say how confident are you, to which he says ''zero doubt''
I don't know how much more clear he has to be? lol
This guy is about one of the most credible and informed individuals that existed in the government, space command, and then in the very private industry that is being accused of hiding the programs. You should research into his background or at least listen to the first part where he goes through it.
If you dont want to take my word for it maybe you would believe this rear Admiral who is also about as high-level and respectable as they come that also has ''grown a pair'' and directly confirmed truth in what he is saying is true and doubles down on his credibility
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rear...kZ?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
The bravery of these people to come forward with all this information publicly is immense. To insinuate they should grow a pair is about as far off base and disrespectful as humanly possible.

Nothing awkward about it. This place is for discussion 👍
But we already have a highly respected, well placed, well experienced, government official who told us all of the above and more in front of the American public AND Congress under oath.
Colonel Nell is adding some name recognition and validity to this conversation, but if he gives a shit about public knowledge here, he needs to join Grusch in the next potential congressional hearing. Or give us some new info we didn't have before instead of standing behind others for cover. After that initial opening statement, he never answered any of the other questions asked of him with a straight answer.
I think me and a lot of other people are over all of this cloak and dagger stuff. We know there is something going on and no one seems to be doing anything to drastically move the discovery needle any further on any of this.

coldcrush · May 23, 2024

JetmanJay said:
Nothing awkward about it. This place is for discussion 👍
But we already have a highly respected, well placed, well experienced, government official who told us all of the above and more in front of the American public AND Congress under oath.
Colonel Nell is adding some name recognition and validity to this conversation, but if he gives a shit about public knowledge here, he needs to join Grusch in the next potential congressional hearing. Or give us some new info we didn't have before instead of standing behind others for cover. After that initial opening statement, he never answered any of the other questions asked of him with a straight answer.
I think me and a lot of other people are over all of this cloak and dagger stuff. We know there is something going on and no one seems to be doing anything to drastically move the discovery needle any further on any of this.

Appreciate the measured response! I think we are all somewhat frustrated by the general lack of disclosure. However, I have been following this subject for maybe 25 years and feel like this is the first time we are breaking into true active or recently active high level people bringing credible testimony.
I think what is important about Knell is how senior he is and that where he was talking was a fairly high level non UAP conference. He is somewhat of a newer face to this whole puzzle to many.
I also think that there is a lot of things happening behind the scenes.
Grusch often talks about the high-level whistleblowers who have come forward with their testimony and evidence to the IG and members of Congress behind the scenes.
I also have to bear in mind many of these people are very serious government officials who have spent their lives working outside of the public spotlight, on classified (non-uap) projects. The vibe I get is that they are very patriotic and take national security very seriously. Spilling all the beans to the public could give who they perceive as our adversaries (who they have worked against their whole careers) a strategic advantage. Aside from that it is very real what happened to people like Chelsea Manning and Snowden. Agree with those people or not you would also have to worry that saying anything outside of DOPSR clearance could land you in very serious legal trouble and destroy your life.
It could be all hot air or eventually suppressed but what I glean is that these people are working behind the scenes to have some form of controlled or drip-fed disclosure, That ends up with something like public knowledge of nuclear weapons. Ie people know they exist, that we can harness energy from nuclear material, and what they are in general but the full details are not public knowledge for security reasons.
If you look at Knell's previous talk at the sol conference before the Schumer amendment was gutted he talks about a 10 year plan, so you can kind of see his MO isn't exactly instant disclosure but rather a gradual process. I personally don't agree with this but it could explain some of the way he is approaching this. nonetheless, I still stand by the fact someone of his and Tim Gallaudet's pedigree talking openly as this is fact is pretty major, even if it's not a full ''here are the bodies and location of the reverse engineered vehicles.

JetmanJay · May 24, 2024

coldcrush said:
Appreciate the measured response! I think we are all somewhat frustrated by the general lack of disclosure. However, I have been following this subject for maybe 25 years and feel like this is the first time we are breaking into true active or recently active high level people bringing credible testimony.
I think what is important about Knell is how senior he is and that where he was talking was a fairly high level non UAP conference. He is somewhat of a newer face to this whole puzzle to many.
I also think that there is a lot of things happening behind the scenes.
Grusch often talks about the high-level whistleblowers who have come forward with their testimony and evidence to the IG and members of Congress behind the scenes.
I also have to bear in mind many of these people are very serious government officials who have spent their lives working outside of the public spotlight, on classified (non-uap) projects. The vibe I get is that they are very patriotic and take national security very seriously. Spilling all the beans to the public could give who they perceive as our adversaries (who they have worked against their whole careers) a strategic advantage. Aside from that it is very real what happened to people like Chelsea Manning and Snowden. Agree with those people or not you would also have to worry that saying anything outside of DOPSR clearance could land you in very serious legal trouble and destroy your life.
It could be all hot air or eventually suppressed but what I glean is that these people are working behind the scenes to have some form of controlled or drip-fed disclosure, That ends up with something like public knowledge of nuclear weapons. Ie people know they exist, that we can harness energy from nuclear material, and what they are in general but the full details are not public knowledge for security reasons.
If you look at Knell's previous talk at the sol conference before the Schumer amendment was gutted he talks about a 10 year plan, so you can kind of see his MO isn't exactly instant disclosure but rather a gradual process. I personally don't agree with this but it could explain some of the way he is approaching this. nonetheless, I still stand by the fact someone of his and Tim Gallaudet's pedigree talking openly as this is fact is pretty major, even if it's not a full ''here are the bodies and location of the reverse engineered vehicles.

I don't know. This obfuscation has been going on too long. All of the whistleblowers are playing by rules for a game that has been rigged against them and the American people for decades. Your hope for a slow drip feed/10 year plan i personally just don't think will happen at this point. The proverbial flood gates should have opened wide once Grusch testified in front of the American people about what he discovered. Yet here we are mired in endless behind the scenes testimony in SAP briefings to a Congress who has every hand tied on what they can do and tell the American people. I mean look at this fuckin forum. This topic got relegated to a sub forum out of view because the moderator thinks this whole topic is conspiracy theory. Same as the American public at large by this point. Whatever organization responsible for this is laughing their asses off and likely feels untouchable after all of this, and they probably are.

I believe it will take a Manning/Snowdon level leak that the public and Congress have no choice but to pay attention to and not ignore. Someone who has the balls to ask for forgiveness as opposed to asking for permissions for clearances that will NEVER be granted.

coldcrush · May 24, 2024

JetmanJay said:
I don't know. This obfuscation has been going on too long. All of the whistleblowers are playing by rules for a game that has been rigged against them and the American people for decades. Your hope for a slow drip feed/10 year plan i personally just don't think will happen at this point. The proverbial flood gates should have opened wide once Grusch testified in front of the American people about what he discovered. Yet here we are mired in endless behind the scenes testimony in SAP briefings to a Congress who has every hand tied on what they can do and tell the American people. I mean look at this fuckin forum. This topic got relegated to a sub forum out of view because the moderator thinks this whole topic is conspiracy theory. Same as the American public at large by this point. Whatever organization responsible for this is laughing their asses off and likely feels untouchable after all of this, and they probably are.

I believe it will take a Manning/Snowdon level leak that the public and Congress have no choice but to pay attention to and not ignore. Someone who has the balls to ask for forgiveness as opposed to asking for permissions for clearances that will NEVER be granted.

Don't get me wrong I agree with you. I don't want to see a 10 year drip fed disclosure either. For the sake of so many factors of humanity it should all be brought to light immediately.
I do think that some members in Congress are taking notice. Schumer's amendment is a pretty big deal even if it got shot down. Also even if you don't agree with their politics there are at least some members of Democrat and Republicans in congress pushing.

I can see a perspective from someone on the inside looking out though, with case studies like Manning/Snowden where they basically put themselves at great personal risk for nothing to change. for these guys doing what has been labeled as a ''catastrophic disclosure'' and revealing everything might be a hard sell to tell someone to risk imprisonment or death or threats against their family. Couple that with what I assume would be their ideological viewpoint working for the government for years against Russia and China etc , They may worry that spilling all the secrets could give our adversaries a leg up.
My understanding is that this group is trying to do it meaningfully but by the book. Again agree with them or not, but generally even the public can turn on whistleblowers.
This means slowly building up public tolerance. It may not feel like it but from my perspective from someone who's followed this for a minute, UAP's have very slowly inched out of the fringe. The fact that its an active discussion in congress, the Schumer amendment, and was in the New york times etc is a pretty big deal. Unfortunately it might take years of slow build up to actually creep into true acceptance, especially for for the general public. (for the very reason that you mentioned we are relegated to an offshoot forum for something that's basically the biggest human issue)

Again this is not my personal perspective, just what I perceive the objective/strategy seems to be.

Hypothetically, lets say tomorrow Knell and Grusch named Boeing and Northop Grumman as the private contractors holding the tech, Admitted that they had first hand knowledge of evidence, and provided some classified documents, maybe some pictures of some wreckage, some metallurgy reports stating its not from compounds found on earth, some radar data and named Nellis air force base as a location that stored a downed UAP. I wonder what would happen? My guess is that there's a 70/30 chance it would be not much and it would still not be covered by msm, still denied by government and Aaro, and that the members of congress on both sides of the isle who benefit from defense contractor money would stay quiet & we would still be in the hangout thread. If the government admitted to having knowledge of this and hiding it from the public, and it is as deep as is being accused, then they lose all credibility over anything ever. There would always be a counter to any argument they made ''but you lied to us about the biggest secret ever,, why should we believe you on X?''.

I don't have the answers, and would truly love for there to be a black swan moment that forces the issue into the daylight in an undeniable way but in lieu of that happening a gradual creeping disclosure might be the best we get.

Forerunner · Tuesday at 8:16 AM

Japan lawmakers to create group for government probes into UFOs

The group will hold its founding general meeting on June 6 after Tuesday's preparatory meeting, which was held in parliament.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Japanese lawmakers met on Tuesday to create a nonpartisan group that will ask the government to establish an organization to investigate unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, also known as UFOs.

The lawmaker group will be chaired by Yasukazu Hamada, parliamentary affairs leader of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party. Former Environment Minister Shinjiro Koizumi, also from the LDP, will serve as secretary-general.

In its founding statement, the group said that if UAP, which have been witnessed many times over Japanese territory, are cutting-edge secret weapons or unmanned spy drones from other countries, they would present a major security threat to Japan.

The group is asking parliament members of all parties to join it.

Forerunner · 2024-05-30T09:12:49-0400

View: https://youtu.be/Cg3cZBqjKdg

A new paper referencing video captured by Customs and Border Patrol of UAP, or Unexplained Aerial Phenomena, over the ocean near Puerto Rico in 2013 claims that the U.S. government is not sharing all it knows about "all-domain anomalous phenomena." NBC's Gadi Schwartz talks with the paper's author, oceanographer Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, about why he's speaking out.

Mochi · 2024-05-30T17:04:49-0400

I'm sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, as it doesn't directly pertain to UAPs, but I wasn't sure if it breaks any rules elsewhere so I balked at making a thread.

View of Biometric Morpho-Anatomical Characterization and Dating of The Antiquity of A Tridactyl Humanoid Specimen: Regarding The Case of Nasca-Peru

Not sure if people remember the reports about "faked" three-fingered corpses that were discovered in Nazca a number of years ago, but a publication in an accredited journal has determined that at least one of these bodies is most certainly real, and is an as-yet undiscovered non-human hominid species that most likely co-existed with Nazca peoples about 1700 years ago.
The body has natural three-fingered and three-toed limbs, a naturally elongated skull, and no ears!

Obviously more research is necessary, but I think this is an incredibly important discovery that needs to be talked about.

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