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UK chart: The Division 2 is this week's UK No.1. Although launch physical sales are only 20% of what the original managed
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Not really. We still don't have full picture but worse case scenario it sold worse than first one.
ITT: People take a single, limited data point to reinforce their existing beliefs about the game industry.
What? UK has fantastic internet compared to other countries. A lot of the country is covered by high speed unlimited broadband.
Why wouldn't they when they spend so much time playing them? Imagine that, some people might actually prefer games they acn play for months rather than finish a game in a weekend.
Anyways I think a lot of people just buy the digital version for online games since the game gets patched so much and are not the type of games people trade in after a week. Still, an 80% drop is too significant so maybe more people are skepyical to see how it performs first and it's been very busy with releases lately.
So if The Division launched at 277k physical copies sold in the UK, and had a 20% digital share that amounts to 69,300 for a total of 346,300 (Note - the 20% share is made up for the purposes of a comparison).
If The Division 2 had only one fifth the physical sales of its predecessor that puts it around 55,400 copies. If we assume a generous digital growth over the last few years and peg it at 50% digital, that puts its total at 110,800 copies sold in the UK in launch week.
So even if we assume it has done well with its digital share an optimistic outlook still puts it way down on the genre heyday of 3-4 years ago.
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What isn't mentioned is that physical game prices have actually crept up in the UK as the gen has progressed.
The Division 2 is £49 in my nearest Tesco store. I'm assuming this is to offset some of the money lost as digital takes more and more of the pie, as I remember buying physical new games a few years ago at £40.
The Division 2 is £49 in my nearest Tesco store. I'm assuming this is to offset some of the money lost as digital takes more and more of the pie, as I remember buying physical new games a few years ago at £40.
Basically this, the UK situation is not normal or a good indicator.
Do people really think Brexit has anything to do with declining retail sales? Because it really doesn't. That would be last on my list of reasons why; bigger digital, higher game prices, getting burned by previous games in the series or games similar to it and F2P stuff like Fortnite and Apex taking up peoples time are the real reasons.
There's loads of factors, but digital I'd getting bigger mainly due to physical pricing getting higher.
Buying physical used to be a lot cheaper, but prices are steadily rising this gen. you'd be hard pushed to find a new release for under 50 quid. Not only that but games aren't being discounted as heavily as they used to be after release. In fact the b3st thing to do for new releases now is wait about 3 weeks where they'll be discounted on the PS store, COD,BFV,Hitman 2 all seen at least 25% off within a few weeks.
There's also the Fortnite/Apex effect, too many games not enough time.
There's one other thing that's interesting, the arse has fell out of the pre owned market, especially on Xbox, shelves in Game and CEX are empty, Game are giving an extra 25% at the minute simply to get games through the door. I'd put this down to both Gamepass and people buying more and more games digitally. The UK market is in a strange place, there's probably more money than ever being spent in it, but on fewer and fewer products.
Buying physical used to be a lot cheaper, but prices are steadily rising this gen. you'd be hard pushed to find a new release for under 50 quid. Not only that but games aren't being discounted as heavily as they used to be after release. In fact the b3st thing to do for new releases now is wait about 3 weeks where they'll be discounted on the PS store, COD,BFV,Hitman 2 all seen at least 25% off within a few weeks.
There's also the Fortnite/Apex effect, too many games not enough time.
There's one other thing that's interesting, the arse has fell out of the pre owned market, especially on Xbox, shelves in Game and CEX are empty, Game are giving an extra 25% at the minute simply to get games through the door. I'd put this down to both Gamepass and people buying more and more games digitally. The UK market is in a strange place, there's probably more money than ever being spent in it, but on fewer and fewer products.
I disagree, because it's still easy to find physical copies for around £40 online and digital for The Division 2 is £59.99.
RE2 and KH3 did tremendously just 1 month ago. UK was the first sign that KH3 was gonna be a strong performer
The 'UK physical means nothing' comments are really silly
Exactly.
First thing I do when thinking about buying a new game is go to gamecrawler.co.uk and check for the cheapest price. Most I have had to spend recently is £45 and that was for Sekiro and since its an Activision game that's not surprising.
I do find it odd how successful digital has been in the UK. I tend to use digital as a way to pick up older games in sales. New games are always ridiculously overpriced on digital, even compared to my local supermarket.
Has it been that successful? FIFA 19 only had a 25% digital split, up from 20% on FIFA 18 (and overall physical sales on FIFA 18 was down). While that's unfortunately the only digital split we had for 2018, applying that logic to the digital splits we saw in 2017 show it's not growing or that successful so far. Not until something changes.
Well, it's also easy to find codes to download The Division 2 digitally online for £45. It works both ways.
You can get codes cheaper than RRP to download games digitally too, though. So I don't see why this makes a difference. I paid £45 for Division 2 digitally on Xbox One.
Really? I got both the PC and PS4 version and apart from the first sectkions I have been on the PS version.
So when I jump on the PC version I'm going to be waiting for groups?
UK Codes? Because they're the only ones that would be counted in UK charts and digital splits. My usual price search engines are only turning up USA codes on PS4.
I assume it's similar on XB1 after a quick search, although they will redeem without having a seperate account in that instance.
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cdkeys usually have digital codes. Most of the time when MS has a bundle with a game. You can find cheaper digital codes for those games.
Yeah, that was my go-to before looking at the key search engines, but they only had XB1 version at £49.99 or £51.99 depending on if you wanted the pre-order DLC.
Its hard to really drill down since it's a person by person basis but I've personally had no issues finding players for missions and running into players in the Dark Zone on PC. But time of day, region, etc. would play a part in that.
most of the people i talked to wont buy the game because they removed what made the first game unique: the snowy city. the new city feels too much alive
Exactly, Brexit might be a factor in a few years at best.
Don't read too much into the uk numbers. My personal guesses are the uprising of f2p battle royal games, an increase of other gaas titles, a variety of other games to play this far into the console generation etc. I think most people who dab into Div 2 have already played the predecessor. Likewise if you haven't played any Division game before, you're getting a much better deal with the complete Div 1 Edition. Again waiting one or two years will even provide you with a much more expanded Div 2 game for a significantly lower price. The immediacy of purchasing games on day one isn't there unless it's a game like Red Dead, GTA or other industry behemoths.
Also don't forget that Ubisoft has a history of successful long term support for pretty much all recent games. Despite a difference in first week sales, titles like For Honor, Rainbow Six Siege, Assassins Creed: Origins, Ghost Recon: Wildlands, The Division all received large and steady updates. All that contributed to games which sell incredibly well, not mainly within the first week but within a span of years. Just look up the many new updates or modes Wildlands alone received, it's almost absurd.
People are finally starting to get tired of all these GAAS games, I think in the few years we will see more of the big publisher focusing their attention back to single player games
Considering this game is not lacking content I feel like your comment holds no weight.
It's worth pointing out that The first game released on a Tuesday, where the sequel had Tuesday as its "early access" day with the full release on the Friday.
No. Every UK physical sales thread is like this. Add to the fact it's an Ubisoft game that ERA loves to shit on, and you're gonna have a ton of crow served up.
UK Physical sales mean nothing. Not a damn thing.
You can pay the launch day price for this game and pay zero attention to the GAAS elements following launch and you'll still have got your money's worth, the game is huge with a fantastic amount of content. There's only 4 critic reviews up on Metacritic as reviewers haven't even finished yet.
It's also tuned much better in favour of solo players than its competitors, imo.
I agree that games like Anthem have no doubt soured public opinion towards this style of gameplay, but Massive have set the gold standard on how to launch these games so it would be a real shame if The Division 2 suffers for others mistakes.
I'm sure it will do decent shipment numbers week 1 WW but I'm glad these type of games are not taking off as much as we initially expected. Long live the single player games. Hopefully EA realise companies like Sony are making bank off these and that's just from one platform.
It's shocking to see how poorly many recent games have fared. I hope that at least in DMC5's case it sells well enough RotW to maybe justify a sequel faster than 11 goddamn years from now. Pretty poor numbers overall, though.
I keep hearing disappointing stats like this specifically for the UK market. Is that market collapsing or something?
Also, for anyone wondering why physical sales are so important for UK market specifically when many people buy digital now, it's because physical is cheaper than digital by a pretty good amount in UK, so people still largely buy physical there.
I'll be honest with you guys, I forgot this game came out
Also, for anyone wondering why physical sales are so important for UK market specifically when many people buy digital now, it's because physical is cheaper than digital by a pretty good amount in UK, so people still largely buy physical there.
I'll be honest with you guys, I forgot this game came out
There is a limited number of people and they have have limited amount of time. Companies keep pumping out these games that are supposed to be live and populated for years to come. Who is gonna play all of these games?
Back when WoW launched I didn't buy any other game for 3-4 years. I almost missed out entire PS2 generation. Once I quit WoW my interest in other games returned and now I average about 30-50 games bought every year.
Today with all these GaaS titles I see a lot of similarities compared to how it was back in WoW days. I see typical GaaS gamer who just plays 1 or 2 of their favorite persistent games and don't bother with anything else.
Jim Sterling predicted this a long time ago and he is almost always right. Industry did this to themselves.
The usuals still seem to be doing well along with most releases by Sony and Nintendo, but there's definitely been a drop in a lot of software from major Western publishers of late. That being said I don't think this is exactly a trend unique to the UK.
Yep this is one of the reasons why I'm not really looking forward to playing it. You can't go wrong with winter NY. I wouldn't mind if Division 2 took place in a different borough or in another city during winter.
Wtf? It looks better then most AAA games out there today. I think you need to get your eyes checked.
Also people who say this is not better then Division 1 are crazy. I have over 500 hours in D1 and D2 is better in every way possible. I am playing on the X though installed on a SSd so I don't have any issues that the Pro has.
On base consoles and the Pro it looks really bland with an early gen lighting model, and the pop in is absolutely attrocious. Apex looks way better imo.
Sorry I can't fully agree.
Maybe on base but on my X and most PCs, this game looks far and ahead better then Apex(and I LOVE Apex)
I have seen the game running on Pro also and it just does not look better then Apex.
I doubt it. We already know PC preorders were up from Division 1.
I think physical sales are dead in the UK.