Oct 31, 2017
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The thing is, insane and easily disproveable lies bought them 14 years in power, so I guess it must be a shock when reality suddenly starts to impinge on them.
 

Yesterzine

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Jan 5, 2022
8,173
We're back to the 'coalition of chaos'. Brilliant.

Next up: Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong government with Rishi, or chaos with Keir Starmer


Yep, it's based off that Sky forecast that used the local election vote share which is almost bordering on fake news as it only accounts for the wards that were actually up for election, it assumes turnout and voting patterns are similar for a general election. If a proper polling company came up with that it would seriously harm their reputation. Everyone knows it's a load of bollocks but it won't stop the Tories pushing it.

And ignoring all merit, people are far more likely to vote for the perceived 2nd biggest party in a GE than in a local where the candidate might actually make a difference.
 

Brotherhood93

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Oct 28, 2017
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And ignoring all merit, people are far more likely to vote for the perceived 2nd biggest party in a GE than in a local where the candidate might actually make a difference.
To be honest, the more I think about it I'm not sure Sunak's argument makes any sense either. He's essentially declaring that Labour will win the election, just not a majority, so wouldn't it make more sense to vote for Labour if you were undecided so they're not "propped up" by other parties?

A better question, if we're heading for a hung parliament, who will be propping up his Tory Government? I understand Labour won't want to give any credence to this nonsense but it would be funny to see them throw it back to him.
 

Maledict

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Oct 25, 2017
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To be honest, the more I think about it I'm not sure Sunak's argument makes any sense either. He's essentially declaring that Labour will win the election, just not a majority, so wouldn't it make more sense to vote for Labour if you were undecided so they're not "propped up" by other parties?

A better question, if we're heading for a hung parliament, who will be propping up his Tory Government? I understand Labour won't want to give any credence to this nonsense but it would be funny to see them throw it back to him.

They are just trying to repeat the success of 2015s campaign. That really worked and they are out of options, so this is the only play right now.
 

Koukalaka

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Oct 28, 2017
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Scotland
haha Bastani got a win here, this is going to haunt Galloway - the conservative socialist who casually drops "x number of genders" and "Adam & Steve" jokes

full interview:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4cjsiBLw8&ab_channel=NovaraMedia

the weirdo left continue to run cover for him though:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etgM5H62OLE&t=449&ab_channel=NottheAndrewMarrShow


Again, good of Novara to shed more light on Galloway being a piece of shit, but anyone that's surprised by this hasn't been listening to any serious coverage of him and his views on a range of issues (or in some cases have been shouting down those that have).

Scotland clocked his shit years ago and he's been roundly told to fuck off every time he's tried to make some sort of comeback up here.
 

slider

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Nov 10, 2020
2,756
Thanks Koukalaka. Just had a quick look (although I try to stay clear of twitter). Lots of comments about postal votes/2019 which made me smirk.

Thanks for the reminder of The Byline Times too. Used to recommend it to people lots but it's slipped off my radar recently.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
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Predicting a hung parliament will probably just push more people away from the tories in fear they'll get any continued sniff of power, so even if the public did believe it I don't think it would be in the Tories favour to keep talking about it lol. I think the hung parliament stuff is honestly just for the Tory MP's.
 

Yesterzine

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Jan 5, 2022
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They were always going to find the next thing when their first voter suppression plan didn't work as well as they hoped.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,817
Suppressing the elderly vote seems like a great idea for the party who is being kept alive by the elderly vote.
 

TheGummyBear

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Jan 6, 2018
8,866
United Kingdom
Suppressing the elderly vote seems like a great idea for the party who is being kept alive by the elderly vote.

I struggle to believe that this is the start of an organised campaign in the Tory party to scrap the postal ballot, purely because they must understand this. Their target demographic are the ones that make up the majority of the postal vote.

But then again, none of the current Tory party are exactly the brightest.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,817
I struggle to believe that this is the start of an organised campaign in the Tory party to scrap the postal ballot, purely because they must understand this. Their target demographic are the ones that make up the majority of the postal vote.

But then again, none of the current Tory party are exactly the brightest.
Oh yeah, this is most definitely just some soon to be former MP sounding off, not an actual party direction.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
11,218
Chesire, UK



Taken together, we find strong support to the notion that voters who are older and disabled are much more prone to casting a postal ballot than their younger and more mobile peers.

It is the supporters of the centre-left parties that contest seats across Britain who are least likely to vote by post.

The lower the winning party's majority (the more marginal the seat) the greater the likelihood that an individual reported voting by post.​

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So the Tories want to depress the turnout of their most reliable supporters in their most marginal seats?

I am a big fan of postal voting, I have postal voted in every UK election since 2005, but for once I agree with the Torys: Please, please ban postal voting.
 

ratprophet

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Jun 24, 2021
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Good piece about Miatta Fahnbulleh who is very likely to be a Labour MP after the next election, didn't know she was so closely tied to the party let alone running. As CEO of the NEF she's a senior advisor and that's a positive sign for me.

www.theguardian.com

‘Labour will surpass your expectations’: the leftwing thinktank boss standing on Starmer’s agenda

Miatta Fahnbulleh is running for parliament – and, as a black female economist, hopes to broaden parliament’s outlook on ‘the rules of the game’

So the Tories want to depress the turnout of their most reliable supporters in their most marginal seats?

I am a big fan of postal voting, I have postal voted in every UK election since 2005, but for once I agree with the Torys: Please, please ban postal voting.

They have neither the imagination nor wit to do anything other than parrot US right-wing political conspiracy theories now. Just pathetic.

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I'm sorry but anyone with 5 mins and common sense can see it's a lot of crap and it's mad that it's picked up any steam

It's actually good for Labour and bad for the Tories for them to press this, gives the Labour vote a reason to turn out (avoiding any 'We're alright!' moments) and lets the more disaffected Tories feel content in not even bothering to turn up.
 
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IpKaiFung

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Oct 27, 2017
3,422
Wales
Good piece about Miatta Fahnbulleh who is very likely to be a Labour MP after the next election, didn't know she was so closely tied to the party let alone running. As CEO of the NEF she's a senior advisor and that's a positive sign for me.

www.theguardian.com

‘Labour will surpass your expectations’: the leftwing thinktank boss standing on Starmer’s agenda

Miatta Fahnbulleh is running for parliament – and, as a black female economist, hopes to broaden parliament’s outlook on ‘the rules of the game’

Complete fluff piece, Rachel Reeves and the right of the party is in control and will be if/when Labour win.
 

Yesterzine

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Jan 5, 2022
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And at the first opportunity she parrots the party line : "Still, the self-identified "policy wonk" worries the task is easier said than done, warning that Labour is facing a "dire economic inheritance" from the Conservatives should Keir Starmer's party win power, as the polls predict."

And this is just awful.

"You get a lot of 'Labour has no ideas,'" says Fahnbulleh, who in her work for Rayner and Miliband is tasked with both developing bold new ideas and making sure they can be implemented in government.

"But part of the challenge is that every time Labour has pushed out an idea, it's been nicked. So you can forgive the team for saying: 'We're trying to give a sense of what we're about, and a flavour of some of our policies, but we're not going to give you the full thing now.'"

We can't tell you what good things we'd do because then other people would do the good things and then while all the good things would happen we wouldn't win.

No wonder she fits in.
 

Zaph

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Oct 25, 2017
4,263
Under Rishi the conservatives became a byword for incompetence?

Yeah, she can get back in her fucking bin
 

Brotherhood93

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Oct 28, 2017
2,832
I wouldn't take Natalie Elphicke. Not in a million years would I actually allow her to join Labour.
I'm conflicted. Like Dan Poulter she's not standing at the next election which makes it more palatable. She's not going anywhere either way in the meantime and it is an absolutely terrible look to have MPs defecting to the opposition right before an election. I understand why Labour would want to take the win knowing they'll be gone soon enough anyway.

On the other hand, bringing MPs like this into your party doesn't inspire optimism that you're bringing about change that people really want to see.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,358
Dundee, Scotland
If Labour continue to welcome folks like Poulter and Elphicke with open arms it'll be difficult to maintain their "Tories but ever so slightly less shit" position.

Scottish Labour continue to punch themselves in the dick. "Vote for us so we can make things worse" is a bold election strategy.