US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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Begun, the Twitter Wars between Nate and Briahna, they have:
I think that what Bernie gets -- and Nate doesn't -- is that 33% of Fox news viewers identify as Independent or Dem, and that regardless, the president is responsible for the lives and wellbeing of all Americans, and should be able to effectively communicate with them.
And that's why Warren went to WV, among other places, to talk to those people unfiltered...which is exactly what she said in her statement.
I don't think Briahna's comment was a criticism about Warren not appearing on Fox, but a defense for Bernie doing so.
I don't see the difference. She said if you want to be president you have to be able effectively reach these mythical Fox News Democrats, therefore appear on Fox News.
What's she arguing against here? Nate's saying that the base likes the rhetoric of not going on big bad Fox News, not that there's no utility in doing so.
Also, how many of those Independents lean R and how many of those Democrats are the 5-10% that vote R and never bothered changing registration lol.
He said he doesn't know about the utility in doing so, so she responded to that.
It still generated the most buzz of any similar format at this point in the cycle and lots of dems loved the fact that Bernie decimated the hosts, so much so that other candidates wanted in on that enthusiasm.
I still don't understand McConnell's play here. Holding the hearings for as long as possible well into midterm season while shitting on the Dems would've goosed GOP turnout heavily (indicated by GCB polling) and they still would've gotten him through. Either that or pulling him whilst blaming the dummycrats and calling on GOP voters to ensure they get their SC seat.
This can't be repeated enough. McConnell is an evil piece of shit, but he's also incredibly incompetent.
His successes have been solely because nobody has the power to stop him, and even THEN, he's fucked up so the successes are muted.
That's not what she said. She's merely justifying one way to do it, not saying it's the only way to do it.
I wonder how many of those 33% Democratic or independent identified voters have voted Democratic on the Presidential level in the 21st century.
I don't see how you can look at that graph and say "not republicans". The democrat graph is more heavily weighted towards the blue bar, but they are pretty similarly shaped.
There's a 15% gap there. It's a similar pattern, but the intensity is not symmetrical. You see +15% blue for the Dems and +15% Green/Orange for the GOP.
Lol right?
Like they both can be right. If appearing on Fox means stuff like Bernie's town hall, great. But that was a series of small miracles.
McConnell got a relatively young party loyalist on the supreme court and shifted it to a solid conservative majority. I would not chalk that up as a loss for him.
So they've moved onto trying to reframe past inquiries (INCLUDING FUCKING WATERGATE) as illegitimate.
I shouldn't even bother asking, but is this legal? He's not at a campaign event.
That's just a function of having the majority at all.
The only thing he's good at is saying no and refusing to pass anything. When the onus is on him to actually do something positive, all he can get done is the bare minimum, which right now consists of approving nominees.
His political acumen is extremely overstated. A good majority leader wouldn't have let the ACA repeal effort go down in flames, and certainly wouldn't have played chicken with the actual vote.
I'm glad Galaxy brain Dems realizes that Trump wanted them to impeach him so they won't. Looking forward to the war with Iran and mass deportation raids ICE is about to start carrying out
Really good points made in the recent Hear The Bern podcast.
Apparently Milwaukee had the lowest Black voter turnout in the state's history in 2016, and a lot of them weren't compelled to vote due to neither candidate speaking to their economic concerns, and black Milwaukee voters also happened to be where Bernie's largest portion of black support came from.
https://play.google.com/music/listen#/ps/Iuglvpu2mndpxlheyuppmd6smku
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Apparently Milwaukee had the lowest Black voter turnout in the state's history in 2016, and a lot of them weren't compelled to vote due to neither candidate speaking to their economic concerns, and black Milwaukee voters also happened to be where Bernie's largest portion of black support came from.
https://play.google.com/music/listen#/ps/Iuglvpu2mndpxlheyuppmd6smku
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What part of the Democrats being a giant ass tent party do you not understand? If this was a parliamentary system of government the Dems wouldn't exist because it's constituency isn't blindly devoted to any one goal like Republicans usually are. They can't just veer hard left because a lot of the Base isn't far left.
In furtherance of your point. All the difference caucus groups in the House would be analogous to Parliamentary parties. The democratic party is a coalition of sub parties.
Wait, so Scott Walker and Hillary are both NeoLibs? It's always funny to hear armchair Socialists claim everyone they don't like is a neolib shill.
No one cares about fucking randos with a Twitter account and a podcast
The Democrats need to walk on eggshells to avoid fractures while the Republicans are basically united by an overall directive of "fuck minorities and cut spending at all costs unless it's the military" which overrules any of their own internal divisions.
i'm so looking forward to standing around for three hours for it to end when i can look up who actually won the caucus half way through on my phone.
Yes. The way she talks about various issues ("identity politics", black people "devaluing their stock") wouldnt be out of place coming from Burntfoot.
My heart goes out to black folks from Milwaukee, who live in what some sociologists estimate is the most segregated major city in America, but Hillary had social safety net policies and Trump had racism.
Every time a Republican wins, black folks from Milwaukee end up with less than they had before. At some point, you have to make the least-worst choice.
But I also give black folks from Milwaukee more credit than this post does because I think I can guess that a lot of what black folks from Milwaukee want is the same as what black folks from Montgomery, Alabama or Oakland or Houston want, really. Let's see if the DNC delivers on that like it needs to or if it tries to pretend that none of these things are important, but either way, I think black folks understand the stakes in 2020 just fine.
I'm convinced Pete hasn't been on the Internet since like 2005.
The law only counts if someone is willing to enforce it. Republicans only feel dumb that they didn't figure this out sooner.
Biden really fucked up the more progressive wave. Leadership is looking at those polling numbers and strongly considering rolling everything back, I'm sure.
Who is this mythical "Leadership" I keep hearing about, and what exactly will they do?
This is a weird thing to post. Literally the dnc has people in leadership positions to try and drive the party in a singular direction. Yes, individuals can move against that, but that's where shit like whips and majority leads come in to play, not to mention those who control funding of candidates and caucusing. They don't control everything, but have significant power over the direction the party goes in. I gaurantee you that having a candidate like Bernie in the lead vs. having Biden in the lead would change certain priorities. Those who demand the most attention set the course of the party and Biden is sucking the air out of more risky propositions. Just like Trump helped move the Republican party towards outright fascism.
If you don't recognize Mitch McConnell as perhaps the most effective American political leader of the 21st century, you are not paying attention. He is a fucking monster and his legacy will be one of degrading institutions and doing irreparable harm to American governance, but he shutdown a President's agenda for over an entire term, he got a guy elected President, he turned the Supreme Court solidly conservative for a generation, and who knows what he'll accomplish before retiring. He has been consequential in a way very few politicians can claim. Sometimes bad guys win, and Cocaine Mitch has been winning for a decade.
Here we go again with the DNC conspiracy theory crap.
The DNC chair is elected when the party does not control the WH. The DNC's primary duty is running the national primaries and convention. They have no power over state parties, no power over congress, etc.
No one is causing Biden's lead to purposefully appear.
Pete's use of "All Lives Matter", Chick-Fil-A boycotters are just "Virtue Signalling", and "Social Justice Warriors" starting to come into context.
That's not what I said, at all. I said that Bidens popularity will encourage leadership to push for centrist policies, not that they're propping him up. The entire party will realign around the frontrunner, so yeah, if Biden maintains a huge lead, everyone in a position of leadership in the party will shift to more closely align with him when almost every other candidate would help encourage leadership towards more progressive ideals.
Or maybe they just weren't promised enough free shit, and figured that the horrifying rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth wouldn't affect them. So "progressive"
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