To continue my metaphorical posting - Trump is the plane carrying the republican soccer team straight into the Andes.
US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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To continue my metaphorical posting - Trump is the plane carrying the republican soccer team straight into the Andes.
Is there like a succinct timeline of events written out from the initial Ukraine call to now? I'm still trying to piece it all together, like the whistleblower's relationship to the Ukraine information getting out there.
It's been both a long and short week.
It's been both a long and short week.
A Definitive Timeline Of The Trump-Ukraine Story (Talking Points Memo).
Not succinct but most complete and easy to read, with linked sourcing for everything. You can scroll down to this month for the latest developments. It's compiled from several other sources (WaPo, EmptyWheel and Justsecurity.)
One thing that is really notable is that most of the "faithful" who appeared on TV this week didn't even defend Trump's actions. They attacked leaks, attacked Schiff, deflected to Biden and his son, and so on. They didn't even claim that what Cheeto Hitler did was legal. Wow. That is tacit acknowledgement that the actions described in the (edited) call readout are illegal. Why? They're panicked and know that defending his actual actions could come back on them.
There are so many little clues out there if you look.
It's interesting. From a purely electoral point of view, there's an argument that the best thing for the Dems is an impeached Trump who'd only been censured by the Senate, because that's the maximum point of fracture in the Republican party (and frankly if given the evidence chain this as straightforward as it appears to be, this is what I think will happen, the Senate will impeach but censure: which will be amusing as all those originalists used to believe the constitution did not allow for unsure, and to be fair you could certainly read it that way.) Any normal politician even one stupid enough to be in this position would happily accept the censure and go about their business. Trump won't, he'll lash out at the Senate and the GOP.
Of course, that ignores the best thing for the country (and the world) is almost certainly Cheeto getting slung out on his arse and criminal proceedings being launched the minute his arse is out of the door.
Of course, that ignores the best thing for the country (and the world) is almost certainly Cheeto getting slung out on his arse and criminal proceedings being launched the minute his arse is out of the door.
Bernie would be a horrifically terrible executive, part #4252t64
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Pence is still fucking hated. You likely get weirdness if it's President Pelosi.
what's up with that paper? It looks like it is a 100 years old.
Not the Onion.
Pretty advanced for a caveman.
As if not having a Pledge of Allegiance would be a bad thing anyway.
Creepy, unsettling cult shit from the Cold War era like forcing rooms full of children to chant a blood oath in unison to some fabric has no reason to still exist.
Creepy, unsettling cult shit from the Cold War era like forcing rooms full of children to chant a blood oath in unison to some fabric has no reason to still exist.
He's gonna be impeached, no doubt, but if you think the GOP will convict, I'll trade pot with you because you're clearly smoking some killer shit.
I agree, it will take a lot more damage to make the GOP actually consider leaving their N°1 source of voters
There would be at least 1 new OT that day
Edit: clearly I'm an idiot and meant the day hes actually impeached
Seemed to me like Rosenstein appointed Mueller because he was fucking pissed about Trump throwing him under the bus on the Comey firing. You saw Rosenstein consistently attacked by the white house, republicans, and the right wing media for about 18 months, after that there was a huge shift and Rosenstein started doing damage control to try and salvage his republican reputation and we started hearing about him "landing the plane" and all that shit.
Legal Eagle is an absolutely amazing channel
Having a practicing professional lawyer break these things down is fantastic
I highly recommend this channel to everyone
That some on the left were whining about impeachment because they wanted an airing of grievances and not because they wanted a chance at a knockout punch is..... really awful.
Like, yes, the chances are low that they boot him. But you have to fucking try. Because in trying you damage the GOP.
Like, yes, the chances are low that they boot him. But you have to fucking try. Because in trying you damage the GOP.
They need to be reminded that this is impeachment, not festivus.
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I'm glad he's also calling out the insanity of unelected personal lawyer Giuliani conducting foreign and military policy on behalf of the United States. For some reason, news analysts keep ignoring that outrage in the middle of everything else.
You inferred this was all the voters fault, but the only reason the majority weren't heard when it came to the executive branch is constitutional weirdness.
Most people didn't voted for Trump. More voters went for Clinton. Poll after poll shows the majority is still against him other than for a very brief few moments when his term began.
Yes the minority who support him is shockingly large but it's been evident for years that they aren't going to change their opinion on him now. It's that cult thing where you get trapped once you stay even a short while past the point it became obvious you should leave, because it's become too embarrassing to admit you saw all the evidence clearly showing the cult leader was full of shit.
But that doesn't mean the country or the voters bare full responsibility for Trump, or that the country deserves him.
But for the distribution of votes and hundreds of years of how states vote for president changing Trump wouldn't have won. The people who voted in 2016 aren't responsible for the messed up electoral voting system for president ending up biased in favor of the republican. This isn't like the intentional gerrymandering at the state district level.
I expect to be fighting the same elements for the rest of my life under one guise or another. I've made piece with that. Let's enjoy a week of good fortune when we can though.
I wish content like this was the kind of stuff that went viral and completely broke the spell trump cultism has over... quite frankly many members of m extended family
What does it take?
It provides insight into how he leads, is that sort of leadership you want in the White House?
See what I wrote in my last post above.
At this point it'd take removal of the cult leader, and then some intensive deprogramming.
I just want my family back
And for them to engage in critical thinking and independence instead of continuing to have ridiculous shit fed to them
I'm fascinated with the hypothetical concept of a secret vote to convict the president... It just doesn't seem like a thing that could actually happen. As much as I think we'd like the results of that vote, I don't like the idea. If the shoe was on the other foot, I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have all of our senators publicly supporting Medicare for All because they know that's where the base is at, and then holding a private vote and siding with Republicans to kill it. It feels undemocratic to have senators voting in secret and not being accountable.
I realize it's not likely to happen, but I'm enjoying imagining the fallout from such a vote. I think every sitting Republican senator would get primaried from true believer Trumpers, and that most of them would be unelectable in the general. I keep waiting for that GOP Civil War to really pop off, and I think this would be the thing to do it.
I realize it's not likely to happen, but I'm enjoying imagining the fallout from such a vote. I think every sitting Republican senator would get primaried from true believer Trumpers, and that most of them would be unelectable in the general. I keep waiting for that GOP Civil War to really pop off, and I think this would be the thing to do it.
Im still appalled they let things go this far with how shitty he was in the primaries. They did NOTHING to protect us or reign in his worst qualities as president
Fuck them all
Sorry for being purely analytical. I've watched my parents get more racist since I left the UK all the way up to my dad supporting Brexit. He loses his shit if anyone calls him racist but I can't forget the things he said to me about the Polish. Worst of all, he's an immigrant himself and still has an Irish passport.
My mum just leaves the room if politics ever come up. They visit me once a year for a month and so I don't broach the subject but if my dad does I can't let the untruths and nonsense go unchallenged.
Worst part is I know it's the media. They aren't being manipulated and fed bullshit about the US so they see what's going on here and are concerned about what Trump is doing etc etc. I bet if they lived here they'd be Fox viewers and Trump supporters.
I feel like bills are a different ballgame than conviction votes but like as Auto said, the names of the Senators who voted Yea would leak anyways.
The sheer inability to allow your own views and biases to be challenged and consider other perspectives is awful
And I know that this shutting down of the mind is exactly what conservative media does because I have taken time to listen to it. It all plays on negative emotions, fear mongering and playing out everyone else as the enemy and that our collective survival depends on fighting them off
It is absolutely insane how unquestioned these charlatans are and how loyal the following is. I've basically given up on them and working on rallying with those who are still sane
I like to think that republicans want to get out of Trumpism and a secret vote would be the golden ticket. This might be giving them too much credit, but I feel like republicans are stuck because if they go against the cult they pay for it as we have seen with the few defectors. Sure removing Trump means the party is going to take a hit, but at least they can distance themselves from this nightmare and quickly rebuild the party. Where if Trump is allowed another 5 years of this madness, I'm not sure the party is going to ever recover especially if he does something even worse than this current scandal.
A secret vote would give them the chance to clear him without any record of who voted which way. I personally don't trust it for a second, espescially not if Mitch McConnell starts advocating for it.
I would think if they want to clear him then they would leave it public to show the base they stood with him.
It all depends on which way the winds blow. I think, long term, having a record of who voted to clear Trump is going to be a problem for the people that did.
The base still think the emporer has clothes. If he loses, that's going to start eroding quickly. The GOP was a Fox news fueled nightmare before Trump. It will stay that after he is out of office, but if he loses, it won't long stay a cult of personality with Trump at the center, I don't believe.
Perhaps, but having it public casts a huge light on everyone in the room. If the public - even the Republicans - know where they stand when light is shone on the scandals, crimes, and corruptions, it holds everyone accountable - either for removing him or permitting wanton criminality in the office, on public record, for the world and history to see.
I feel that hiding in the dark is what they've done this entire time, candidly expressing "concern" for his actions while supporting his agendas from the back and in the shadows.
Even if Trump is not removed, now is absolutely the time to let everyone know where they stand, and if they stand WITH a criminal whose crimes are beyond question and whose vows to uphold the Constitution are blatantly discarded, then they can be without excuse going forward.
That's true. There's no way it would stay secret for long.
Ha! I hadn't thought of this as a possibility. I'm so naive that I was thinking that anonymity is the thing that would make them do the right thing... The evil shit they will do out in the open with their names attached probably should have clued me in.
Assuming the "in camera" secret vote is actually possible, I suspect that the prior vote to alter the rules could not be secret, so I doubt this tactic would even protect them from trump cultists or primary attackers all that much anyway. The vote to suspend the rules would just be the proxy. Maaaaybe they could get away with it if the rules vote was every Dem plus McConnell plus, say, Collins? I don't think that would fly, though. It would just make it worse for them with their base.
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Thanks for sharing that.
I thought it was cute he implied Barr would have to recluse himself, when everybody knows Barr won't.
Great points and I too was being naive. Didn't think about the anonymity being a free pass to continue to be evil.
No problem, I'm going to have to watch more of his videos, really want to see what he puts together on impeachment like he teased in this video.
As for Barr, I was wondering what the rules on recusing are. What happens if he refuses to recuse himself? Wouldn't him not doing so just make them look more guilty?
I need a conviction vote before Maine's primary election filing deadline (which seems to be March 16!). For reasons. Thanks.
Looking more guilty hasn't stopped Barr up to this point. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Mueller was heavily restricted by the Justice Dept as to what he could investigate and it should be absolutely clear now that Barr shut him down prematurely. If there's any lesson to be learned from this it's that a truly independent special councils office needs to be permanently established by law. It would have also been helpful in a situation like the Kavanaugh non-investigation as well.
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Trump wants so badly for us to see his abuses and efforts to curb them as partisan warfare so that we'll ignore his corruption. But that's not what this is. This is the people's House performing its constitutional duty in holding him accountable and protecting freedom in America. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1177919923885969408 …
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Can you imagine if these Do Nothing Democrat Savages, people like Nadler, Schiff, AOC Plus 3, and many more, had a Republican Party who would have done to Obama what the Do Nothings are doing to me. Oh well, maybe next time!
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