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Y2Kev

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I don't think Yang is like, right, here, but there is something to be said about racism being a luxury good. So the solution is actually to make everyone poorer. So elect Bernie.
 

Tukarrs

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Maybe I've missed something but has Pete flipped on things like SCOTUS reform or eliminating the Electoral College?


Ok, so he took a tour of duty that could have gotten him killed for the sake of running for state treasurer in a bid that, as you say, he was likely to lose anyway. Gotcha.

Could do without all the irony.

What I'm saying is that Pete, having been involved in multiple campaigns before enlisting, might have done it to pad his resume for future elections.

No, he didn't do it for the State Treasurer. He has higher ambitions.

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Buttigieg became an ensign in the U.S. Navy Reserve in 2009 and began training to become a naval intelligence officer. In 2014, he took a seven-month leave during his mayoral term to deploy to Afghanistan.[42] While there, Buttigieg was part of a unit assigned to identify and disrupt terrorist finance networks. Part of this was done at Bagram Air Base, but he also worked as an armed driver for his commander on more than 100 trips into Kabul. Buttigieg has jokingly referred to this role as "military Uber," because he had to watch out for ambushes and explosive devices along the roads and ensure the vehicle was guarded.
I don't have firsthand knowledge but it doesn't sound like he was in any real danger while he was 'training' state side. Naval Intelligence sounds more like spy and translation work.

He didn't actually deploy until 2014 when he was already Mayor.
 

pigeon

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It also feels like it should be relevant that the war in Afghanistan is a pointless quagmire that we should've stopped sending troops to.

I understand the philosophical underpinnings of "hate the war, respect the troops" but it probably needs an asterisk for wars that have been going on for two decades. And for people who had no financial pressure to serve and did so anyway. Pete probably cannot claim he didn't know he would go to Afghanistan.
 

cameron

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MetalGearZed

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Why do billionaires apparently see Warren as more anti-billionaire than Bernie? Doesn't Bernie's tax-plan hit them much harder? Yet all I hear is them whining about Forma.
 

Blader

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Yeah he basically scrubbed those things off his platform. Supposedly at the request of his donors.

Not sure what he would say though if a reporter actually asked him directly about those. So I don't know if he's "flipped" but he's definitely buried those policies.
They can't be scrubbed off his platform because I just read them on his website.

Could do without all the irony.

What I'm saying is that Pete, having been involved in multiple campaigns before enlisting, might have done it to pad his resume for future elections.

No, he didn't do it for the State Treasurer. He has higher ambitions.

Wiki

I don't have firsthand knowledge but it doesn't sound like he was in any real danger while he was 'training' state side. Naval Intelligence sounds more like spy and translation work.

He didn't actually deploy until 2014 when he was already Mayor.
Not sure if you read what you quoted there but this
he also worked as an armed driver for his commander on more than 100 trips into Kabul. Buttigieg has jokingly referred to this role as "military Uber," because he had to watch out for ambushes and explosive devices along the roads and ensure the vehicle was guarded.
doesn't sound to me like something lacking in any real danger.
 

Steel

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Why do billionaires apparently see Warren as more anti-billionaire than Bernie? Doesn't Bernie's tax-plan hit them much harder? Yet all I hear is them whining about Forma.
Well, probably because they don't think Bernie will win the primary. Notice that no billionaire was whining about Warren when she was at 8%.
 

Tfritz

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Why do billionaires apparently see Warren as more anti-billionaire than Bernie? Doesn't Bernie's tax-plan hit them much harder? Yet all I hear is them whining about Forma.

it's either all an establishment conspiracy to boost warren and siphon away progressive-minded folks from sanders, or it's because she gained momentum in the polls over the past months and is viewed as a credible threat
 
Why do billionaires apparently see Warren as more anti-billionaire than Bernie?
I've seen it suggested that it's literally sexism.

Bernie is a man from the political class, and that is someone they instinctively feel isn't a real threat. Surely they can "cut a deal" and find a way to weasel out of having to really change their ways.

With Warren they're scared they can't play boys club with her. That if she says she's fundamentally changing things, she actually means it. (Even if Bernie, himself, does also actually mean it.)
 

MetalGearZed

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I guess that makes sense. I feel sexism is playing role with shit like "She HATES us rich guys! Personally!" I don't see where they get that from the way she campaigns.

Bernie I'd get lol
 

Slader166

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I'm kind of confused on why people are saying that Pete has changed his positions on some things. He has always talked about MFAHWI (at least since January), and when it comes to restructuring the supreme court his proposal has always been to have 10 judges elected the normal way, and 5 more chosen by the original 10.
 

adam387

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I just ..
HARRIS
BOOKER
KLOBUCHAR
GILLIBRAND

There are/were plenty of non socialist choices. Pete is getting similar backlash as all of the above.

Harris was a cop, she's also a woman of color which, because people are shitty puts her at a disadvantage to some folks' small idiotic minds. She's also run a really, really shitty campaign, and, to be honest, has barely been less flippy floppy on some things than Pete.

Klobuchar is a woman who throws things at people. (Which I'm kinda here for tbh, but I get why some people don't like it.) Plus, like...personality wise....she's kinda awkward mom. Which has a place/appeal to some people. She's one who I thought would be doing better though.

Gillibrand flamed out so early for so many reasons.

Booker...I don't know why he didn't catch on more than he did. He's kinda nerdy but I'm here for that. But he does have some ties to Wall Street that would probably bug some people. (Don't bother me at all.)

Like, say what you will about Pete...a young, moderately attractive man running for President, from the midwest, former military, married, gay, has pull with the big money donors and Hollywood Elite, is well spoken, seems to have a knack for retail politics, is willing to not run as far to the left as humanely possible to fight for an ounce of support in a crowded lane? It makes sense why he's doing well in Iowa.
 

pigeon

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Why do billionaires apparently see Warren as more anti-billionaire than Bernie? Doesn't Bernie's tax-plan hit them much harder? Yet all I hear is them whining about Forma.

The real hot take here is that Bernie is personally unpopular with the Democratic establishment and has a record of pragmatic political compromises and so the billionaires aren't worried about him really enacting policy that affects them.

Warren, by contrast, has the political capital among Democrats to convince them to support her, and a political history of directly dressing down and publicly humiliating rich people. A Warren presidency is going to be one in which the president gets on Twitter and personally calls Bill Gates a greedy leech. Obviously Bill Gates really hates that idea.
 

Iolo

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hmmmmmm

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Wow, if Kasich makes love to his food, then Buttigieg grudge-fucks it.
 

Tfritz

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The real hot take here is that Bernie is personally unpopular with the Democratic establishment and has a record of pragmatic political compromises and so the billionaires aren't worried about him really enacting policy that affects them.

Warren, by contrast, has the political capital among Democrats to convince them to support her, and a political history of directly dressing down and publicly humiliating rich people. A Warren presidency is going to be one in which the president gets on Twitter and personally calls Bill Gates a greedy leech. Obviously Bill Gates really hates that idea.

matt yglesias is that you
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Booker didn't catch on cause he was playing the "nice guy" and not stirring any shit so no one really paid him much mind. And the way he's run things, I don't think he minds that he's been dead in the water. Almost feels like he's just testing things.
 

NookSports

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Lindsay is regressing back to denial. Now thinks "Sonderland" changed his testimony because he's colluding with the Dems.
This is getting hilarious.
 

Dahbomb

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Warren took billionaires to task when it counted the most against the ire of the Democratic party over the whole banking fiasco.



This is what they are afraid of.
 
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I hear all this, you know, 'Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.' No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
She said this back in 2011. It's definitely personal for these rich folk.
 

fragamemnon

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You know Trump has to be livid that his attorney wouldn't represent him like that. Lawyers are what keeps him afloat all his life, so having one that doesn't do what he says to do? Might explain why he's exiled from DC.
 
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They can't be scrubbed off his platform because I just read them on his website.

I read it here on PoliEra that it had been scrubbed, but you're right.

Looks like I might have been a victim of bad Twitter/PoliEra information. The article from just last week references an interview where he still touts Supreme Court reform.

It's just in that interview Booty said he wanted more judges like Anthony Kennedy, which got the most attention on social media, and it got lost that he's still in favor of SC reform.
 

Casa

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I think we'd probably see mass resignations or something if Barr actually got up there and publicly slurped Trump off again.
 
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