It is really hard to take someone seriously as a leftist when they spent their whole career doing the bidding of Delaware shell corporations and did what he did to Anita Hill.
All it does is a keep a status quo wherein a whole lotta black folks poorer than you and me suffer and die without dignity, I ain't really into this kind of pragmatism when all it does is put us on the DNC approved merry go round wherein we can only vote for "safe" candidates because every single republican one from now one will just be "explicit white nationalist but smarter"
When the options are pragmatism vs voting for Trump (and a non-vote is the exact same as voting Trump)...pragmatism is far more appealing.All it does is a keep a status quo wherein a whole lotta black folks poorer than you and me suffer and die without dignity, I ain't really into this kind of pragmatism when all it does is put us on the DNC approved merry go round wherein we can only vote for "safe" candidates because every single republican one from now one will just be "explicit white nationalist but smarter"
They defended the fired Sanders campaign staffer who used his twitter account to perpetuate homophobic jokes, AIDS jokes, many sexist attacks, etc.
All it does is a keep a status quo wherein a whole lotta black folks poorer than you and me suffer and die without dignity, I ain't really into this kind of pragmatism when all it does is put us on the DNC approved merry go round wherein we can only vote for "safe" candidates because every single republican one from now one will just be "explicit white nationalist but smarter"
Every person who voted for Biden did that?It is really hard to take someone seriously as a leftist when they spent their whole career doing the bidding of Delaware shell corporations and did what he did to Anita Hill.
True, but is it enough for me, someone who lives in Chicago to vote in November for Biden, which I probably will, as opposed to me actually calling people and having the energy to drive to another state to go canvassing for Biden.When the options are pragmatism vs voting for Trump (and a non-vote is the exact same as voting Trump)...pragmatism is far more appealing.
Pragmatism isn't sexy, but it keeps my black ass alive and fed.
Look, if leftists run a candidate who can win, I am on board. Bernie is not that candidate.
You might wanna mention that he was gay himself there.
No Biden did, and when it is primary season, we should be filtering for whether the person actually represents our class interests.
If the thread is only for centrists then that should be made clearer.
Canvassing for Sanders clearly didn't do jack shit, so there'd be no loss in productivity.True, but is it enough for me, someone who lives in Chicago to vote in November for Biden, which I probably will, as opposed to me actually calling people and having the energy to drive to another state to go canvassing for Biden.
That sounds like a really bad gamble on his part. A measly 1.2k 5 months down the line after everyone is unemployed. Seems like the damage would already be done and people would need a lot more by then.Relax, it won't be 5 months to get the TrumpChecks. It'll be 6 1/2 months, you know, to time their arrival right before voting.
We're talking about the people that voted for him though. You said they weren't the real left. And do you presume to know their class interests better than them?No Biden did, and when it is primary season, we should be filtering for whether the person actually represents our class interests.
Why?
Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
Thank youPrivileged white male dirtbag douches who exemplify the worst of the "LOL identity politics" brocialists who can barely conceal their contempt for women's issues/black issues/LGBT issues because it's just about economics, dude.
Right, I don't feel that you can be a leftist and, in the primary, vote for someone who is so anti-left. He's against medicare for all and said he would veto it if it miraculously passed without him.We're talking about the people that voted for him though. You said they weren't the real left.
Bold move cotton. By that time a lot of people will be on the streets.Relax, it won't be 5 months to get the TrumpChecks. It'll be 6 1/2 months, you know, to time their arrival right before voting.
It's being able to sell policies. Bernie's attitude of "XXX of my policies is self-evidently good, and you're corrupt and in the pocket of wall street and the establishment if you don't see it that way," is toxic.Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
All it does is a keep a status quo wherein a whole lotta black folks poorer than you and me suffer and die without dignity, I ain't really into this kind of pragmatism when all it does is put us on the DNC approved merry go round wherein we can only vote for "safe" candidates because every single republican one from now one will just be "explicit white nationalist but smarter"
Don't start at the top? The president is always going to be the most compromised vote because they have to represent the entire party. If you want more socialism get more representatives and senatorsHonest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
He didn't say they were self-evidently good, he made points that it was comparable to what the rest of the developed world was doing and it was necessary to protect peopleIt's being able to sell policies. Bernie's attitude of "XXX of my policies is self-evidently good, and you're corrupt and in the pocket of wall street and the establishment if you don't see it that way," is toxic.
It doesn't but I never liked the lack of that context here back when people talked about it when the story broke, it's kind of the difference between hateful malice and just being an enormous asshole.
I'm not talking about just Medicare for All; but even that is one where single payer is not the only silver bullet that could be designed; and there are other countries in the developed world with universal coverage that is not single payer. The Bernie campaign treats single payer with the same zeal as Grover Norquist does his no tax pledge.He didn't say they were self-evidently good, he made points that it was comparable to what the rest of the developed world was doing and it was necessary to protect people
Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
Don't start at the top? The president is always going to be the most compromised vote because they have to represent the entire party. If you want more socialism get more representatives and senators
It doesn't but I never liked the lack of that context here back when people talked about it when the story broke, it's kind of the difference between hateful malice and just being an enormous asshole.
That's not really what he said. And if you're separating out that many people as "not left" then don't be surprised when your movement dries up to fucking no one.Right, I don't feel that you can be a leftist and, in the primary, vote for someone who is so anti-left. He's against medicare for all and said he would veto it if it miraculously passed without him.
I never said it did?I'm curious how him being gay exempts him from the AIDs and sexist jokes?
It's actually not.It doesn't but I never liked the lack of that context here back when people talked about it when the story broke, it's kind of the difference between hateful malice and just being an enormous asshole.
Honestly you'd know more than me on that, so I'll believe your take on it.
Bernie fucked himself over. He ran the same divisive campaign as last time. This is the worst time for that shit. People want to unite to take down Trump. If he had come out with a campaign touting how he works with others and compromises to get things done and welcomed other democrats to the movement, etc, then he likely could have won. Instead he kept spouting off about how he's against the establishment on both sides, etc. It's an awful time for that.That's being worked on, but with the amount of people who have said "I like Bernie's policies but not XYZ about him", I think it's a bit silly to cede the possibility of winning a presidential primary.
There's definitely loads of evidence throughout historyto the contrary on this point, unfortunately.Pragmatism isn't sexy, but it keeps my black ass alive and fed.
It's just going to have to take a more talented, likable politician. Bernie has trouble telling people the kind of answers they're looking for because he tries to brute force everything with his stump speech in a way that makes skeptics think he's either shallow or clueless. I think AOC has better political instincts than both Bernie and Warren, but the campaign against her started so early.Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
I've been queer, out and engaged in activism for a very long time, yes.Honestly you'd know more than me on that, so I'll believe your take on it.
That's being worked on, but with the amount of people who have said "I like Bernie's policies but not XYZ about him", I think it's a bit silly to cede the possibility of winning a presidential primary.
It's interesting because pragmatism generally means some survive, not all. But even the some is more than none. The whole "perfect vs. good" debate.There's definitely loads of evidence throughout historyto the contrary on this point, unfortunately.
It is really hard to take someone seriously as a leftist when they spent their whole career doing the bidding of Delaware shell corporations and did what he did to Anita Hill.
Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
There's definitely loads of evidence throughout historyto the contrary on this point, unfortunately.
The vast majority of black households have been suffering economically for forever now. That "some" is much smaller.It's interesting because pragmatism generally means some survive, not all. But even the some is more than none. The whole "perfect vs. good" debate.
Want to win a presidential primary? Find a socialist who old african american women trust and who they'd feel comfortable having in their churches. That is the key to winning.Honest question, since I want socialism to keep growing - what would make a socialist electable? If Bernie had the same policies but was "more likeable", is that the key, or is it more about moderating policies?
Bernie fucked himself over. He ran the same decisive campaign as last time. This is the worst time for that shit. People want to unite to take down Trump. If he had come out with a campaign touting how he works with others and compromises to get things done and welcomed other democrats to the movement, etc, then he likely could have won. Instead he kept spouting off about how he's against the establishment on both sides, etc. It's an awful time for that.