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The biggest thing that might help Dems hold onto seats in 2022 despite everything are honestly the childcare payments that are about to start hitting this summer.
Huge waste of time lol, they just need to throw pork at this dude behind closed doors. Only play left.
Is S1 the John Lewis VRA?
Random thought/curiosity: Can Obama run as a senator for any state? Like wouldn't he automatically win? lol ....or are there rules because he was already a senator for Illinois?
Random thought/curiosity: Can Obama run as a senator for any state? Like wouldn't he automatically win? lol ....or are there rules because he was already a senator for Illinois?
Except there is no chance republicans vote to extend them past December, and people usually blame the party in power for things that aren't happening.
Feels like we should just completely ignore and not even post anything Manchin says until or unless he says something new or different. Seeing quotes from him that are basically the same every week just serves to piss everyone off. He's never changing his mind, he doesn't care how many civil rights advocates speak with him, he straight up doesn't care.
Yes, though the pace of the recovery has been more sluggish than expected so far.
S1 is different from the John Lewis VRA.
And Obama can run for anything (except president) if he wants to. But being president for 8 years is an insanely difficult job that I think saps your desire to do anything in elected office again.
also Illinois has two Dem senators already haha.
Once the infrastructure bill passes and everything else stalls, I do hope we stop hearing from/about Manchin. By not wielding his power, he should lose all the attention and ability to drive conversation he enjoys.
The "will he/won't he" aspect would have fueled another year of attention tbh,
The "will he/won't he" aspect would have fueled another year of attention tbh,
So what is the difference between HR1, S1, and the John Lewis VRA, exactly?
And yeah, I realize he will never run for anything again, but I was just curious if he could run for--oh IDK--North Carolina's senate race if he wanted to. I'm assuming he'd have to move there first, though.
Fucking. Clowns. We voted for clowns.
That's unless there's some legitimate reason it was not ready.
They stated that they need to rewrite it to survive Supreme Court bullshit.
Isn't the new VRA just the old VRA+expanded preclearance to survive SCOTUS? I feel like that should be an easy Xerox job
Those who know strategy are in awe of Manchin the Master.
tbh I don't really know the difference between HR1 and S1. The former was passed by the House, the latter is a Senate bill, they may just be doing mainly (if not entirely) the same things in different chambers. But those bills tackle non-partisan gerrymandering, campaign finance reform, public campaign financing, new ethics rules like mandating presidential candidates disclose tax returns, etc. The John Lewis VRA is much narrower, and more focused on restoring the preclearance requirement that was struck down by the Supreme Court in 2013.
June "month of action". Amazing. Waste the entire two seasons over nothing.
Democrats suck balls.
Democrats suck balls.
I thought the John Lewis voting rights act was already written? Manchin has said he supports it, pass it.
Yeah, that what I'm saying. I heard the host on msnbc a few minutes ago say that Pelosi has released a statement saying that it won't be ready until fall and even if it passes it isn't a substitute for the Senate HR1 bill.
Basically nothing substantial is going to change with just the House bill. The GOP will still have the ability to cheat and rig everything.
The bill is being rewritten in the House to ensure it survives court challenges.
Always confused by politicians who follow their own whims and interests rather than what would be most beneficial to the people of the country/their constituents.
Just shows a real disconnect between the political class and the people they supposedly represent. Manchin must be up his own ass if he doesn't see the writing on the wall and the benefits (legitimate) voting protections would have for people across the country.
Just shows a real disconnect between the political class and the people they supposedly represent. Manchin must be up his own ass if he doesn't see the writing on the wall and the benefits (legitimate) voting protections would have for people across the country.
Just total lack of urgency on the part of Dems. They aren't accomplishing shit.
Merrick Garland is trash too. He's continuing to protect Trump. There is zero chance he allows an indictment of Trump. Doug Jones would have been a good AG.
Merrick Garland is trash too. He's continuing to protect Trump. There is zero chance he allows an indictment of Trump. Doug Jones would have been a good AG.
Manchin represents a Trump +40 state. Opposing Dems' legislative agenda IS in the interest of his constituents.
I'm not sure why you guys are so surprised government is slow. There is a reason why people push for private sector to do stuff. Big monolithic bureaucratic organizations are going to be slow and inefficient. There may be some exceptions but the way it is structured promotes inefficiency.
Yes but there's a difference between the logistics of how long it takes to actually craft a bill vs. performative inefficiency. Slow-moving bipartisan negotiations that we all know are doomed to fail because the GOP does not have 10 good-faith actors is not baked into the DNA of the Senate, it's baked into the DNA of individual senators who fetishize bipartisanship to this counter-productive degree.
This is bullshit though. They can pass something quickly when they want to. The only time they ever seem to have a sense of urgency is like a week or two before a government shutdown.
Can you give me evidence of times when things are just pushed quickly? I'm guessing it was times a bunch of lobbyists wrote the bill. Someone has to actually write the bills and being slow and careful to make sure it survives court challenge is reasonable.
I think the point is it seems like voting bills from the Dems could have been largely completed many months ago? After all, GOP at States level aren't wasting time, and we've all seen this coming for a long time. I get it, it's hard, it just seems like we're moving slower than they are.
Just look at them passing a massive covid relief in a month and a half after Biden took office.
Fair enough. As long as they've been working on it for awhile and didn't just start doing this as the other bill failed to see the light of day in the Senate.
The childcare payments are going to be eaten into by the cost of this inflationary period. Like the jobs spike earlier in the year, the euphoria will be temporary, but the effect of the assistance will have a longer tail. Children are not yet eligible for vaccinations and it will still cost people time and money out of work to get children through the next few months to when they are eligible, hopefully September. (Just in time for everyone else to start contemplating the possible need of boosters)
Which will mean disaster (political, assuming pols are not as concerned about socioeconomic slide back into poverty) if they are allowed to expire. They won't get the rest of the credit until at least March when the IRS processes the other half of the credit. Until then, not-so-happy holidays.
Which will mean disaster (political, assuming pols are not as concerned about socioeconomic slide back into poverty) if they are allowed to expire. They won't get the rest of the credit until at least March when the IRS processes the other half of the credit. Until then, not-so-happy holidays.
Today's issue of Tangle is about Joe Manchin and his sunday Op-ed, a pretty reasoned take and hinges upon some major criticisms for Manchin but also the bill itself.
Seems to me Saul is right here, the bill is unlikely to pass with the filibuster, and I don't doubt Manchin is a lightning rod for other moderate Dems. Evolving our voting system to a European styled system, IE automatic voter registration and free IDs, sounds good to me. The issue though is that Republicans don't seem able to even meet in the middle as we saw with the American Rescue Plan. Think I'll be emailing about this one and see how he responds.
Seems to me Saul is right here, the bill is unlikely to pass with the filibuster, and I don't doubt Manchin is a lightning rod for other moderate Dems. Evolving our voting system to a European styled system, IE automatic voter registration and free IDs, sounds good to me. The issue though is that Republicans don't seem able to even meet in the middle as we saw with the American Rescue Plan. Think I'll be emailing about this one and see how he responds.
Is there any polling about the child payments to suggest it is swaying votes? I can see GOP Congress people running in their states taking credit for it, like they have already done with the American Rescue Plan they voted against. Does the average Republican or independent voter even know that money is 100% from the Dems, considering their echo chambers?
You can move quickly when you know everybody in your party will support something, or more importantly, you have a big enough majority to deal with losing a couple votes. Also, the whole actual majority being able to pass things thing. The positives of a minoritarian coalition have majorities in certain parts of the country.
Even with Manchin and Sinema on board we'd still need 10 Republican votes.
Essentially rendering Manchin's stance so that he doesn't support it because he knows it won't pass due to his own choices. It's just more bullshit out of that bloated husk.
It really should be on Manchin's shoulders. If the dude thinks he can find 10 good GOP senators then fucking find them. Prove us wrong. Also you'll need to turn all the Dems that are waffling as well because it's more than Manchin and Sinema so good luck.
Edit: Conflating my Manchin issues but you know what I mean either way fuck that guy.
Edit: Conflating my Manchin issues but you know what I mean either way fuck that guy.
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You were here during that, people were complaining about that NON STOP for taking too long.
Honestly it did take too long. They didn't really do much until they were up against the deadline of unemployment expiring then finally started rushing at the last second. They don't really seem to make any good faith effort to pass anything until there is a deadline like a government shutdown facing them down then rush the last 1-2 weeks to actually pass something.
So it took too long but at the same time is an example of Congress moving expediently. For what was in that bill I do think that Congress moved pretty fast to pass it, but it was also a sure thing that it was going to pass. This next voting rights bill is a sure thing that it's going to fail and they all realize that. I do agree with Favreau that they need to pass it quicker and then put pressure on Manchin to find his 10 "good" Republicans that are even capable of negotiating in good faith.
I'm really sick of people just going "oh well" at the bullshit he says and not putting pressure on him to back his words up. If he thinks that "bipartisanship" is legitimately possible then maybe he should get off his ass and try to actually be bipartisan.
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