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The media is completely failing us. Even NPR today saying things like "if voting rights legislation isn't bipartisan does it really mean anything other than it's a partisan overreach" or something broadly to that effect

Wtf. What do you think the reason is NPR lady that not a single GOP senator supports protecting voting rights?
 

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It's funny too wapos slogan is "democracy dies in darkness" and NPR constantly shilling "independent journalism" to get subs despite playing ads for giant corporate sponsors all the time.
 

GoldenEye 007

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The media is completely failing us. Even NPR today saying things like "if voting rights legislation isn't bipartisan does it really mean anything other than it's a partisan overreach" or something broadly to that effect

Wtf. What do you think the reason is NPR lady that not a single GOP senator supports protecting voting rights?
People like to talk about bubbles online at places like Era. But plenty of traditional media sources have consistently had their heads up their butts for decades really.
 

Blader

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My senators are Warren and Markey, and my congresswoman is Ayanna, so while I'm glad to have such A+ representation, the "call your reps" campaigns mean little to me too lol
 

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From Day One, the President has been clear that he has two red lines: he will not raise taxes on Americans who make under $400,000 and he will not accept inaction as the outcome. To ensure that the American Jobs Plan moves forward on a timely basis, the President spoke with Speaker Pelosi to consult with her on efforts to move forward on a jobs package in the House this month. In the same regard, the President also spoke with Senate Majority Leader Schumer to discuss the need to commence work on the budget resolution process so that legislation to advance the President's economic priorities and tax reform plans could move to the Senate floor in July. The President is committed to moving his economic legislation through Congress this summer, and is pursuing multiple paths to get this done.
www.whitehouse.gov

Statement by Press Secretary Jen Psaki on Negotiations with Congress | The White House

The President has spoken to a number of members of the House and Senate the past two days. He informed Senator Capito today that the latest offer from her group did not, in his view, meet the essential needs of our country to restore our roads and bridges, prepare us for our clean energy future,…
 

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People like to talk about bubbles online at places like Era. But plenty of traditional media sources have consistently had their heads up their butts for decades really.

Yeah I wish that the guests they had on their shows sometimes with this "both sides" nonsense would throw the book at the "journalists" framing shit like this too.

But civility and it's an honor to be on the show blah blah blah

They had on someone who met with Manchin today and if the host asked me that I'd be all over that bullshit. But if you come across as too confrontational you're seen by white moderates as "too out there, etc" and won't be invited back.

Rinse and repeat and then it's a bad look to literally call fascists for what they are.

We're already there.
 

Slash

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www.whitehouse.gov

Statement by Press Secretary Jen Psaki on Negotiations with Congress | The White House

The President has spoken to a number of members of the House and Senate the past two days. He informed Senator Capito today that the latest offer from her group did not, in his view, meet the essential needs of our country to restore our roads and bridges, prepare us for our clean energy future,…


So the reporting that they would wait until the fall to go forward with reconciliation was incorrect? Well, that was a lot of outrage here wasted if that's true.
 

Blader

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So the reporting that they would wait until the fall to go forward with reconciliation was incorrect? Well, that was a lot of outrage here wasted if that's true.
The fall timeline was in reference to the John Lewis VRA, not infrastructure...unless there was a reported fall timeline for infrastructure that I missed!
 

Plinko

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As always, "bipartisanship" to republicans simply means giving them every single thing they want and nothing more.

If they don't get it, they cry. Spoiled brats.
 

Plinko

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Democrats fell right into the trap most of us in here warned about months ago:

Take the bait on bipartisanship, negotiate in good faith, have republicans make ridiculous demands, republicans stab democrats in the back and claim democrats ended the bipartisanship plans, placing all public blame on democrats.

Every. Single. Time.
 

kalindana

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He released a statement yesterday:
Today, the Department of Justice will file a brief in the Supreme Court in the case United States v. Vaello-Madero, which addresses whether a provision in the Social Security Act that declines to provide Puerto Rico residents with Supplemental Security Income (SSI) violates the Constitution's equal protection principle.
This provision is inconsistent with my Administration's policies and values. However, the Department of Justice has a longstanding practice of defending the constitutionality of federal statutes, regardless of policy preferences. This practice is critical to the Department's mission of preserving the rule of law. Consistent with this important practice, the Department is defending the constitutionality of the Social Security Act provision in this case.
As I have stated, I believe that Puerto Rico residents should be able to receive SSI benefits, just like their fellow Americans in all 50 states and Washington D.C. I call on Congress to amend the Social Security Act to extend these benefits to residents of Puerto Rico. And as I reiterated in my first budget request, I also support eliminating Medicaid funding caps for Puerto Rico and moving toward parity for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program to align with States. These steps, along with the American Rescue Plan, which included an enhanced Child Tax Credit for families and a permanent federal match expansion to the Earned Income Tax Credit program, will provide families in Puerto Rico an equal chance to get ahead. As I've said before, there can be no second-class citizens in the United States of America. My Administration will work with members of Congress to make these legislative fixes a reality.
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Statement by President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. on Puerto Rico | The White House

Today, the Department of Justice will file a brief in the Supreme Court in the case United States v. Vaello-Madero, which addresses whether a provision in the Social Security Act that declines to provide Puerto Rico residents with Supplemental Security Income (SSI) violates the Constitution’s...
 

EvilChameleon

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Democrats are losers.
Republicans are winners.

Democrats have incredible legislative goals.
Republicans want to tear everything down.

It's crazy that people in, like, half the states (or more!) will vote for the tear it down option every time.
 

Slash

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Democrats fell right into the trap most of us in here warned about months ago:

Take the bait on bipartisanship, negotiate in good faith, have republicans make ridiculous demands, republicans stab democrats in the back and claim democrats ended the bipartisanship plans, placing all public blame on democrats.

Every. Single. Time.

This was always the plan to get Manchin convinced to go through reconciliation. Regardless of who republicans blame, hopefully the centrists will see the Republican scapegoating and know to act alone.
 

Erpy

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Democrats fell right into the trap most of us in here warned about months ago:

Take the bait on bipartisanship, negotiate in good faith, have republicans make ridiculous demands, republicans stab democrats in the back and claim democrats ended the bipartisanship plans, placing all public blame on democrats.

Every. Single. Time.

I'm pretty sure that hold-out senator(s) who insist bipartisan efforts are made before even considering going along with a party-line vote have nothing to do with this. Again, Dems don't have the numbers to steamroll bills through congress despite the fact most of them have ample experience with the good faith Republicans participate in these negotiations. Traps have nothing to do with this.
 

Plinko

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I'm pretty sure that hold-out senator(s) who insist bipartisan efforts are made before even considering going along with a party-line vote have nothing to do with this. Again, Dems don't have the numbers to steamroll bills through congress despite the fact most of them have ample experience with the good faith Republicans participate in these negotiations. Traps have nothing to do with this.

They publicized it. Biden pushed bipartisanship hard. Whether it had a chance or not, it was deliberate.
 

Blader

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If we're worried about people blaming "the Democrats" for failed bipartisan negotiations, maybe we should stop broadly blaming "the Democrats" when everyone knows who exactly those negotiations were for and why.
 

cameron

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Senate confirmed another judicial nominee:

www.nbcnews.com

Senate Democrats start confirming Biden's judges to 'restore the balance' in courts

The Senate voted Tuesday to confirm what Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called the "first of many" judicial nominations.

NYT coverage:


www.nytimes.com

Senate Confirms First Biden Judges, Beginning Push to Rebalance Courts (Published 2021)

The votes were the start of an effort by Democrats to confirm liberals and people of color to the federal courts after Donald J. Trump moved aggressively to install conservative white men.

WASHINGTON — The Senate confirmed President Biden's first two judicial nominees on Tuesday with modest Republican support, quietly touching off a liberal sprint to fill scores of federal vacancies, aimed at rebalancing the ideological makeup of the courts and injecting new diversity after the Trump era.
In a lopsided 66-to-33 vote, the chamber approved Julien Xavier Neals to serve as a district court judge in New Jersey, where a spate of vacancies has contributed to a significant backlog of cases.
A few hours later, senators voted 72 to 28 to confirm Regina Rodriguez as the first Asian American judge to serve on the Federal District Court bench in Colorado.
"This is the first, certainly not the last — not even close," Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, boasted between the votes. "We're going to be able to restore a lot of balance to the courts because there are a lot of vacancies we are going to fill."
Democrats plan to move as soon as this week to confirm Mr. Biden's first appeals court pick, Ketanji Brown Jackson, to serve on the powerful District of Columbia Circuit. They have roughly a dozen other nominees already winding their way through the approval process, with more than 100 vacancies expected to be open on the federal bench in the coming months.
But Democrats are starting from a deep hole. When they controlled the Senate, Republicans led by Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky used their majority to help President Donald J. Trump confirm more than 220 federal judges over four years, including more than 50 to influential appeals court posts and three Supreme Court justices. Together, they are already putting a deep conservative stamp on the law.
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To push back, Democrats are borrowing liberally from Mr. McConnell's playbook during the Trump years, when he focused intensively on confirming conservatives to lifetime terms on the federal courts. The White House moved swiftly to begin naming nominees for many of the most important posts this spring, far earlier than the historic norm, and Mr. Biden's liberal allies on Capitol Hill have made their approval a top priority of an evenly split Senate.
Both nominees confirmed on Tuesday also underscored the significance of the shifting power. Mr. Neals and Ms. Rodriguez were first nominated by President Barack Obama near the end of his second term, but their nominations were among the dozens blocked by Mr. McConnell when he was the majority leader as part of his successful effort to hold open crucial vacancies in case a Republican won the presidency in 2016.


More in the link.

At least we're able to salvage the judiciary a bit.
 

Plinko

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If we're worried about people blaming "the Democrats" for failed bipartisan negotiations, maybe we should stop broadly blaming "the Democrats" when everyone knows who exactly those negotiations were for and why.

This was all about Manchin and, to a lesser extent, Sinema. McConnell was never going to negotiate in good faith, and he said as much months ago.

As many have said in here: they were NEVER going to get 10 GOP votes. It just won't happen.
 

BoboBrazil

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Democrats fell right into the trap most of us in here warned about months ago:

Take the bait on bipartisanship, negotiate in good faith, have republicans make ridiculous demands, republicans stab democrats in the back and claim democrats ended the bipartisanship plans, placing all public blame on democrats.

Every. Single. Time.

Yep. You could see the fucking glee on McConnell's face in that press conference where he said Biden ended bipartisan talks. He couldn't contain it.

This was always the plan to get Manchin convinced to go through reconciliation. Regardless of who republicans blame, hopefully the centrists will see the Republican scapegoating and know to act alone.
The plan was never for Manchin to pass a bill through reconciliation. He was supposed to already be on board for that if it eventually went to that. This was supposed to convince him to end the filibuster and start passing other popular Democratic legislation.
 

Sain

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Democrats fell right into the trap most of us in here warned about months ago:

Take the bait on bipartisanship, negotiate in good faith, have republicans make ridiculous demands, republicans stab democrats in the back and claim democrats ended the bipartisanship plans, placing all public blame on democrats.

Every. Single. Time.

Nothing has been passed that has been crippled by bi-partisanship though? Anyone who has been paying any modicum of attention knows that most legislation is DOA because of the filibuster, McConnell's desire to not allow anything that would benefit Democrats to move forward, and/or Manchin/Sinema's resistance to killing the filibuster. We can negotiate or not, it doesn't really matter at this point because most everything is doomed to fail regardless sans the stuff that can be pushed through via reconciliation (which apparently has to have some degree of compromise because of the demands of President Manchin).

Regardless, I tend to believe the the majority of Americans at this point know why things aren't moving forward, and that is by a Republican party that doesn't believe in actually governing, regardless of whom Capito points a finger at. It is probably better that Dems show a willingness to talk and negotiate even if there is a snowball's chance in hell of what we want to pass becoming law over these next two years.
 

Dr. Feel Good

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Regardless, I tend to believe the the majority of Americans at this point know why things aren't moving forward, and that is by a Republican party that doesn't believe in actually governing, regardless of whom Capito points a finger at. It is probably better that Dems show a willingness to talk and negotiate even if there is a snowball's chance in hell of what we want to pass becoming law over these next two years.

lol no. Americans are not paying attention.
 

Plinko

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Nothing has been passed that has been crippled by bi-partisanship though? Anyone who has been paying any modicum of attention knows that most legislation is DOA because of the filibuster, McConnell's desire to not allow anything that would benefit Democrats to move forward, and/or Manchin/Sinema's resistance to killing the filibuster. We can negotiate or not, it doesn't really matter at this point because most everything is doomed to fail regardless sans the stuff that can be pushed through via reconciliation (which apparently has to have some degree of compromise because of the demands of President Manchin).

Regardless, I tend to believe the the majority of Americans at this point know why things aren't moving forward, and that is by a Republican party that doesn't believe in actually governing, regardless of whom Capito points a finger at. It is probably better that Dems show a willingness to talk and negotiate even if there is a snowball's chance in hell of what we want to pass becoming law over these next two years.

I still believe the vast majority of voters to be low-information voters.

These are the people that remember the commercials about student debt reform, public option health care, and voting rights.

These are also the people that realize these things talked about in the commercials aren't getting fixed.

History has shown they don't seek out why. Maybe you're right and this group of voters has finally broken the cycle of "blame the group in power" that has happened for decades. I don't believe we are there yet.
 

Chaos Legion

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NYT coverage:


www.nytimes.com

Senate Confirms First Biden Judges, Beginning Push to Rebalance Courts (Published 2021)

The votes were the start of an effort by Democrats to confirm liberals and people of color to the federal courts after Donald J. Trump moved aggressively to install conservative white men.

WASHINGTON — The Senate confirmed President Biden's first two judicial nominees on Tuesday with modest Republican support, quietly touching off a liberal sprint to fill scores of federal vacancies, aimed at rebalancing the ideological makeup of the courts and injecting new diversity after the Trump era.
In a lopsided 66-to-33 vote, the chamber approved Julien Xavier Neals to serve as a district court judge in New Jersey, where a spate of vacancies has contributed to a significant backlog of cases.
A few hours later, senators voted 72 to 28 to confirm Regina Rodriguez as the first Asian American judge to serve on the Federal District Court bench in Colorado.
"This is the first, certainly not the last — not even close," Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, boasted between the votes. "We're going to be able to restore a lot of balance to the courts because there are a lot of vacancies we are going to fill."
Democrats plan to move as soon as this week to confirm Mr. Biden's first appeals court pick, Ketanji Brown Jackson, to serve on the powerful District of Columbia Circuit. They have roughly a dozen other nominees already winding their way through the approval process, with more than 100 vacancies expected to be open on the federal bench in the coming months.
But Democrats are starting from a deep hole. When they controlled the Senate, Republicans led by Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky used their majority to help President Donald J. Trump confirm more than 220 federal judges over four years, including more than 50 to influential appeals court posts and three Supreme Court justices. Together, they are already putting a deep conservative stamp on the law.
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To push back, Democrats are borrowing liberally from Mr. McConnell's playbook during the Trump years, when he focused intensively on confirming conservatives to lifetime terms on the federal courts. The White House moved swiftly to begin naming nominees for many of the most important posts this spring, far earlier than the historic norm, and Mr. Biden's liberal allies on Capitol Hill have made their approval a top priority of an evenly split Senate.
Both nominees confirmed on Tuesday also underscored the significance of the shifting power. Mr. Neals and Ms. Rodriguez were first nominated by President Barack Obama near the end of his second term, but their nominations were among the dozens blocked by Mr. McConnell when he was the majority leader as part of his successful effort to hold open crucial vacancies in case a Republican won the presidency in 2016.


More in the link.

At least we're able to salvage the judiciary a bit.

I needed some good news today.
 

Blader

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This was all about Manchin and, to a lesser extent, Sinema. McConnell was never going to negotiate in good faith, and he said as much months ago.

As many have said in here: they were NEVER going to get 10 GOP votes. It just won't happen.
Right. I agree. But then saying things like "the Democrats fell for their trap", "the Democrats fucked up again", etc. isn't just unhelpful, it's not true! The vast majority of the Democratic Party, the president included, went into these bipartisan talks knowing that the main goal was more to push Manchin and Sinema toward reconciliation than it was about pushing 10 Republicans to join us.
 

Poodlestrike

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Iim genuinely confused. I thought we all knew that the whole point of the infrastructure negotiation was to demonstrate how unreasonable Republicans were being. They did that and then once the goal was accomplished they decoded to move on. Republicans were always going to say that Biden was being partisan and unreasonable. Why are some of you buying into their nonsense opposite world framing? Nobody else is.
 

Plinko

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Right. I agree. But then saying things like "the Democrats fell for their trap", "the Democrats fucked up again", etc. isn't just unhelpful, it's not true! The vast majority of the Democratic Party, the president included, went into these bipartisan talks knowing that the main goal was more to push Manchin and Sinema toward reconciliation than it was about pushing 10 Republicans to join us.
Well, good luck with getting literally any media to go along with that narrative.

And that's the main problem. The framing by the media here is going to be clearly putting democrats in a bad light. That's the trap.
 

Slash

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Iim genuinely confused. I thought we all knew that the whole point of the infrastructure negotiation was to demonstrate how unreasonable Republicans were being. They did that and then once the goal was accomplished they decoded to move on. Republicans were always going to say that Biden was being partisan and unreasonable. Why are some of you buying into their nonsense opposite world framing? Nobody else is.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I literally expected all of this to unfold in the way that it ended up happening.
 

Poodlestrike

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And that's the main problem. The framing by the media here is going to be clearly putting democrats in a bad light. That's the trap.
No it's not? This was the intended outcome, and the audience that it's intended for seems to have taken it in the spirit in which it was intended, to wit: Republicans refused to advance a serious counter offer so we're moving on.

Y'all are too quick to chicken little lately. Chill. The Republican counter offer was not well received anywhere.

Besides, folks were complaining about taking as much time negotiating as we did! There are multiple constituencies to balance here.
 

Chaos Legion

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Iim genuinely confused. I thought we all knew that the whole point of the infrastructure negotiation was to demonstrate how unreasonable Republicans were being. They did that and then once the goal was accomplished they decoded to move on. Republicans were always going to say that Biden was being partisan and unreasonable. Why are some of you buying into their nonsense opposite world framing? Nobody else is.
Wouldn't it have been smarter for them to not vote for a bill that has all of their concessions? Because Biden ending the talks gives them all of the cover they need.
 

Poodlestrike

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Wouldn't it have been smarter for them to not vote for a bill that has all of their concessions? Because Biden ending the talks gives them all of the cover they need.
Only if they ever actually agree to anything in negotiations. If they just drag it out indefinitely you never get there and waste a ton of time and effort. This outcome will do the job fine.
 
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