So fucking pathetic. We need a term for people that Trump has trashed on in every way yet still kiss his feet. Barr and Ted Cruz come to mind. Just groveling, slimy fucking cowards
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US Politics |OT 1| Smoked Filled Mar-A-Lago Rooms
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So fucking pathetic. We need a term for people that Trump has trashed on in every way yet still kiss his feet. Barr and Ted Cruz come to mind. Just groveling, slimy fucking cowards
But the stoves
We're y'all upset the the government showed up and confiscated your gas automobile?
*Looks outside
It looks like Biden came by in the night and replaced them with clones.
*Cue conspiracy music.
Is it even surprising that it's turning out like this? The anti-establishment types will vibe with RFK if only out of pure contrarianism, and the low-info voters this cycle are more likely than not know-nothing centrists who can't stand Biden but hate Trump. These are the "we need a third party" types that right now are looking for an alternative to Trump, because at the end of the day they're conservatives looking for a conservative candidate and have thus already written Biden off.
Meanwhile the lefties getting upset at Biden not being progressive enough and being so gung-ho for Israel aren't going to significantly jump to someone further to the right on these issues than Biden. So when it's all said and done of course RFK is siphoning more Trump voters than not. Why wouldn't he be?
The party has become optimized to do nothing but provide context and excuse for a neo-confederate takeover of the government that ends democracy as it currently exists. As has been said elsewhere, we should stop framing republican voters as brainwashed by the GOP's lies and false reality narrative.
The lies exist to provide the republican voter with an excuse to vote for fascist authoritarians. "I have to vote for the man who will end voting as soon as he's in office again - democrats are coming tomorrow to tow my car away!"
It seems ridiculous if viewed as a non-serious party that won't engage with reality. But it's not a political party. It's a network of agents who have one job: organize the fascist segment of the population, make sure they have their story straight, and get a dictator into power.
This is the best and most succinct way I've seen it put.
That's depressingly accurate. I work with a bunch of right wing people and they really aren't interested in democracy anymore, they see it as flaw that un-American liberals can exploit. Everyone not white or straight is out to get them and take what they worked hard for.
RFK's biggest "asset" besides his name is how associated he is with the hysteria around Covid vaccines. I frequently see people online mad that Trump continues to promote Operation Warp Speed. Those people were never gettable Biden votes and were far more likely to be Trump people.
Trump promised big plans to flip Black and Latino voters. Many Republicans are waiting to see them
Trump promised big plans to flip Black and Latino voters. Many Republicans are waiting to see them
Trump says he wants to hold a major campaign event at New York’s Madison Square Garden featuring Black hip-hop artists and athletes.
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Trump promised big plans to flip Black and Latino voters. Many Republicans are waiting to see them
Trump promised big plans to flip Black and Latino voters. Many Republicans are waiting to see them
Trump says he wants to hold a major campaign event at New York’s Madison Square Garden featuring Black hip-hop artists and athletes.
Looking forward to
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Will be like his Medicare plan I will show you it in two weeks..... He never did
Did the dog-killing incident crush Ms. Alaska's chance at VP?
Article I read said she was even pissing off MAGAs. Why in the world would she think that was a good idea to publish?
"I had a dog once. It didn't hunt well. I hated it and shot it. Then I killed a goat for looking at me wrong. Please vote for me for VP!"
Article I read said she was even pissing off MAGAs. Why in the world would she think that was a good idea to publish?
"I had a dog once. It didn't hunt well. I hated it and shot it. Then I killed a goat for looking at me wrong. Please vote for me for VP!"
An article I read said that she said published it in her book to show how much she "doesn't care about cancel culture or wokeness"… like a "I did something so unpolitically correct and I'm not afraid! Vote for me!"
Quite the accusation from Blinken. I feel like the smart thing to do is be transparent about these evidence. US intelligence gained a lot of credibility by sounding the alarm of Russian invasion of Ukraine earlier. So it would be a good idea to continue that in foreign interference cases as well. I don't see any upside in keeping these evidence hidden from the public.
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Absolutely savage takedowns goddamn.
View: https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1784409252016140676?t=Y-IQRnf5d6YVXy1v2y11BQ&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1784409252016140676?t=Y-IQRnf5d6YVXy1v2y11BQ&s=19
The Week Ahead for Trump
Tue 30 Apr - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Wed 1 May - Trump reply brief due (Carroll II appeal)
Thu 2 May - second gag order hearing (NY hush money)
Thu 2 May - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Fri 3 May - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Fully-briefed motions pending ruling
- SCOTUS on presidential immunity (DC Jan 6)
Tue 30 Apr - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Wed 1 May - Trump reply brief due (Carroll II appeal)
Thu 2 May - second gag order hearing (NY hush money)
Thu 2 May - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Fri 3 May - TRIAL prosecution case (NY hush money)
Fully-briefed motions pending ruling
- SCOTUS on presidential immunity (DC Jan 6)
Perhaps a little more grim, I've seen takes that suggested she did so to demonstrate to Trump's base that she is sufficiently cruel to implement his second term objectives.
I wouldn't worry too much. There's a lot of time left between now and November. Even Obama was losing to Romney by like 5 points the October before that election.
Polls will be up and down from now until the election. I guarantee weeks from now, they'll have Biden ahead, and weeks later Trump and vice versa. Everyone gets worried when Trump is ahead but for some reason there's silence when they show Biden's ahead lol.
An NBC poll just last week had Biden way ahead.
No point in getting flustered about it.
An NBC poll just last week had Biden way ahead.
No point in getting flustered about it.
The media is incentivized to make it look like a horse race that keeps both sides energized and paying attention. There's 6 more months of campaigning and events to happen all over the world. It's easy for people to be fickle when the decision is still half a year away.
Are you guys talking about the one where they say "60% off voters say Biden's tenure has been a failure" but more than half see Trump's as a success?
I really wouldn't read too much into that.
I really wouldn't read too much into that.
Also look at the numbers, is Trump winning 40% of the black vote and 55% of the youth vote again?
In that same article:
This thing is neck & neck, a flip of a coin, which is why I hope people understand how important it is to vote in November.
That's what you want in a politician, their politics to be incorrect
I don't think anything in that article is as important as this:
View: https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1782348710308913630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1782348710308913630%7Ctwgr%5E41dec2dac41047eb66142eea00a8aa643c60c130%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fjoe-biden-leads-donald-trump-poll-actual-voters-2024-presidential-election-1892723
My honest feeling at this point is that there's one of two things going on - either the polling industry is still fundamentally struggling to get a read on the likely electorate, or the population has become so fundamentally divorced from reality (because of social media, corporate media, etc.) that politics as we knew them are completely upended.
Like the real numbers to worry about are the 60% of people in swing states from that CNN poll who retrospectively rate the economy as "better" 4 years because regardless of continuing challenges, that is just divorced from reality. We were in the worst parts of the pandemic, shit was fucked.
In either case, I'm not entirely sure what the hell we're supposed to do at this point. Democracy isn't a workable system if half of the electorate is functionally insane
Like the real numbers to worry about are the 60% of people in swing states from that CNN poll who retrospectively rate the economy as "better" 4 years because regardless of continuing challenges, that is just divorced from reality. We were in the worst parts of the pandemic, shit was fucked.
In either case, I'm not entirely sure what the hell we're supposed to do at this point. Democracy isn't a workable system if half of the electorate is functionally insane
If your choices are
1.) polling methodology continues to be broken, resulting in weird outcomes divorced from reality as pollsters struggle to adjust
Or
2.) American society is in the midst of not one but several Titanic shifts in public opinion across racial and gender lines not seen since the civil rights era and ONLY pollsters have noticed any signs of this
Not really much of a stretch to guess which one I'm picking here
Fair, but I've been living in a systems (both higher ed and k-12) under sustained attack for quite some time and also run into a whole bunch of weird and stupid assholes on the reg so part of me is a little worried that modernity has done for the human race.
Or at the very least we produced a uniquely shitty generation in the Boomers and we're in a race against time to see if their overwhelming entitlement ends us before power changes hands more fully.
Another good gut check is to look at how the campaigns are behaving and what they are saying with "body language" so to speak. As well as behavior of surrogates.
For example, Obama had a lot of democratic voices shift away from him in his first term and perceived weakness against Romney and Tea Party crazies. The caucus has remained very unified behind Biden. Conversely, you're seeing pretty open defections against Trump from his more moderate party members, telling you that there's a weakness of Trump within their perceived constituency. (Not to mention some pretty embarrassing results in the Primaries for Trump, and that's even in comparison to Biden who has a legitimate protest vote against him on his policies.)
Additionally, Trump has been flailing around key topics trying to find a "appease everyone position" on abortion (which despite constant downplaying by punditry, has been a defining element of every election recently) and the Hamas/Israel war (his support amongst Jewish voters is disastrously low) which doesn't suggest someone who thinks he's winning every swing state or nationally by 6+.
Biden is uniquely unpopular but we're also in an uniquely polarized era. He's also the president so everyone blames him for everything but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't vote for him.
The other intangible that Trump has to deal with that won't be felt for a few months yet is how much Biden's team has leapfrogged him on advertising and as such already defined Trump. Clawing back the narrative is always harder after the fact. And while it isn't really clear how important or if at all a ground game and advertising will be with two "incumbent" people at the top of the ticket, this could be a major weakness for Trump as the election approaches and his party is broke.
Trump's polling lead right now is seemingly in non-voters by an overwhelming majority. If that is the case... he actually needs to get people out and for him a ground game would be critically important. But if all of the state parties are broke and his campaign has no money... who's going to get those non-voters off their asses?
My anxiety for November is gonna fucking kill me.
Like..what do we do if he wins? What can we do?
Like..what do we do if he wins? What can we do?
Try to minimize the damage and get involved on a state/local level.
Don't worry, the left wing accelerationists will totally start their revolution after they don't vote to help Trump win.
Imagine being mad at people for not voting with everything happening in this country right now. I don't think some of you get how repulsed people are by even the sight of some of these politicians. Looking at Biden makes me physically ill the way he can even be comfortable right now. Keep using marginalized groups an excuse to support fuckery I guess.
I'm referring to accelerationists and their delusional fantasy of violent rebellion, but… ok I guess.
God forbid we don't like enabling the facilitator of an ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign, right?
Last time Trump intentionally held back aid from blue states when there was an emergency (COVID) So I don't think that will work again.
Off topic and so, and speaking of nothing, but who thinks that there's been ~8k deaths in the Ukrainian conflict in 2024?
en.wikipedia.org
This IS wikipedia on the other hand...
List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia
This IS wikipedia on the other hand...
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So you're talking about like 10 people in the entire country? People are rebelling right now and it may or may not get violent at some point in the future. You're insinuating that this is what people want when what they really want is a solution to this fucked world we're living in where these politicians can continue to get away with pretending they're good people while they turn a blind eye to the crimes of their allies. The constant cognitive dissonance of this country is driving people mad. Imagine being told tiktok is being banned for the harmful influence of China on young Americans while it looks like Israel literally controls the country. What do you guys think 18-25 year old people are taking from all of this?
So even though I wasn't taking about any of this, I'm curious how you think anything will be better under Trump? I would love better political choices too and banning Tik Tok is stupid, but nothing gets better under Trump.
I lost friends who were deported back to Iran the last time he was in. I don't want see a worse version of that the next time he's in.
It is possible to want these things and prevent fascism. The fascists are counting on the idea that people find the two aspirations incompatible.
I'm just asking to have empathy for people who say they don't think they'll vote. I know some of you have felt like not participating at some point so just give that grace to other people and don't talk down to them. That's all I was trying to say. Clearly a lot of shit is getting to me too. Trump isn't better but it's not fair to put that on regular people who are fed up.