Okay Facebook is, but anyone else can just sell their similar data to Chinese companies right?
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US threatens TikTok ban if it is not sold - report [BBC News]
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Okay Facebook is, but anyone else can just sell their similar data to Chinese companies right?
If that transaction is legal then nothing. The goal of this legislation is to reduce the barriers that currently prevent a Chinese company like Tiktok from being effectively punished for illegal use of user data which do not exist for other companies based in the US or other countries which the US has normal trade and judicial relations with.
Not sure why the US government is so concerned with just Tik Tok. You have companies like Tencent that completely own or own a significant portion of major videogame companies like Riot, Supercell and Epic games and no one really seems to care about that.
This law will give the government the power to regulate other Chinese companies if needed, but thus far there have been few major concerns about other companies from the privacy or security perspective that this law is focused on. If Tencent were found to be abusing their American customers' data as Tiktok has then things would be different. Tencent has operated with a very hands-off management approach for most of its foreign subsidiaries which is unlike ByteDance's fairly heavy-handed approach towards TikTok.
Good, it's awful enough how much data is mined but I'd rather the data of a much younger crowd be accessible by any government let alone China. It will run just as fine by a non Chinese company just like how it was when it was an app called music.ly.
Gotta drive those youths to facebook, a good solid american company who steals your data and has been proven to use their influence for nefarious purposes. Instead of tiktok, an evil chinese company who steals your data and could possibly use their influence for nefarious purposes.
If you are a Muslim Uighur, yes. Absolutely. We used to have a sticky post related to it.
I think it is clear that Xi Jing Ping is worse than Biden and while Trump gives Xi a sociopathic run for his money, Xi has successfully installed himself as Emperor of China by removing his 2-term limit.
He has backstabbed Hong Kong and locked up the best of them, some for life, and is about to escalate his support of another emperor, Putin the bloody, with weapons.
I love China, chinese people and chinese culture but I have no love for Xi.
CCP knows all about banning apps from other countries, so I'm sure they'll be fine with this. Also fuck the CCP and all of its defense force.
Well the US can isolate itself further I guess. No one is stopping using TikTok outside.
While China does the same with FB and the like, I don't think doing what China does is the way to go for the US.
While China does the same with FB and the like, I don't think doing what China does is the way to go for the US.
No, you see, not wanting your data to end up in the hands of the Chinese government, which is notorious for its tracking of people (even beyond Chinese borders), censorship, making people disappear into 'reeducation camps' and ofcourse let's not forget genocide, is xenophobic.
Right? China knows I like thirst traps and comedy shows. They don't need an app for that knowledge. They can track your location, but they can with pretty much any app. There's a ton of apps that have some link to a Chinese company.
Admittedly there's some politics, but my experience (through the algorithm) is a nice progressive bubble, and unlikely YouTube and Facebook, TikTok doesn't want to continuously push me into far right conspiracy traps, because these lead to more engagement. Youtube and Facebook are far, far worse blights on worldwide societies. But they're American so it's all good.
I don't think a single person in this thread has claimed that the ccp is good or has good intentions with user data, the problem is that this action, without an attempt to curtail data exploitation by any tech enterprise does not actually solve the problem and amounts to security theater.
If the ccp wants US Citizen data so badly, what exactly is stopping them from setting up a proxy like a shell company and buying the data from a US company that is currently mining with impunity?
So instead China just buys all the same information from brokers perfectly legally, no one is protected, this would do nothing to change any of that, except american companies get compensated for spying on us. That's why it's xenophobic and not about our data rights.
So why are the EU and European national governments also banning TikTok for all its government workers? Is that also because they want to protect Meta?
The one thing I find really funny about this whole thing is, if Tik Tok was owned by some really vile shithead, like Elon or Zuck lol--Let's say for arguments sake, JK Rowling was the CEO, a lot of people here defending it would swear off the app forever and you know it lol.
We cancel and boycott people and companies here for less than the horrors the CCP has done.
p.s. I'm being only half serious so don't reply to if you wanna argue, I don't care lol
We cancel and boycott people and companies here for less than the horrors the CCP has done.
p.s. I'm being only half serious so don't reply to if you wanna argue, I don't care lol
I didn't think that of all the takes defending removing TikTok, I would see "Waah cancel culture."
Big "Yet you participate in society" energy coming out of this post.
Governments ban access to social media platforms for their employees all the time. There are extremely strict rules on what you can and can't do as government employees. Strava "leaked" where military bases are, why were they not banned into oblivion?
That's not where I'm coming from at all. Jesus man, this place is so unfun
Should've never been cut in the first place. I'll happily take the standalone Vine heir-apparent over TikTok every day.
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory commentary
You literally campaigned to your friends and family to get off an app?
Man some of these posts read like they're straight outta Fox News. That's actually wild to me that this app puts this much fear into some people over some data.
*shrug* no difference with it without it
I thought it might be a bad idea at one point but I think that fear is overblown with the current course we're on anyway
If this is xenophobia it's a better outlet to do this than the inevitable backlash of violence as we wave #StopAsianHate in futility again
I thought it might be a bad idea at one point but I think that fear is overblown with the current course we're on anyway
If this is xenophobia it's a better outlet to do this than the inevitable backlash of violence as we wave #StopAsianHate in futility again
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This.
This potential ban is stupid. Really stupid. Banning TikTok at this point will only
1) help OTHER big data-harvesting corporations increase their stranglehold on the market and invade our privacy further
2) cause millions of people to look into VPNs, disabling security, sideloading, etc. leading many into scams, malware, etc.
3) piss off even more people, turning them off of our government and possibly causing them to not vote, especially young people. Remember how those same young people helped defeat Trump in the last election? Why do you think the GOP is at the forefront of this effort?
And even if millions of US residents are choosing to give their TikTok browsing activity to the CCP, so what? How does that help them? Or how does that hurt us any more than the same people choosing to give even more detailed/private information to Meta?
I just don't understand why any Democrats/progressives would get on this train. Let the GOP shoot itself in the foot. If the ban goes through, let young voters punish the GOP. There is no good reason to back this ban, so let the GOP do it.
I hope this is a joke post. I don't have to campaign to anyone. I tell them and they do it. Not sure where you got Fox News out of basic internet security.
From what I read it is comparable to other such apps, except on Android where it will access as much as it can if you don't set your permissions up right. To ban it entirely instead seems much? I don't understand the more casual dislike of it. Of all the things "the youth" has to contend with, Tiktok is among the least of our and their worries.
This is an extreme non sequitur, and get lost with this "I gave my honest opinion but actually it's kinda a joke haha jk(?)" bullshit. Own the things you say.
The fact that none of the politicians up in arms about Tiktok are even proposing this gives the whole game away.
It's wild to hear stuff like this when we see the FBI getting turned down by Apple when they ask for info on users. The both siding US vs China is especially crazy when you consider that the CCP has golden shares in companies like ByteDance and by law they're all required to give the CCP access to all their data.
If you think the government doesn't get what they want when they want from Apple you're falling for their privacy marketing bs.
Privacy marketing BS is the FBI complaining in court and then having to find a third party to hack into a phone because Apple won't give them access?
If you're falling for China and the US both spy on you the same narrative, you're falling for Chinese propaganda.
Facebook stock
This is a completely disingenuous post because nearly all tech companies have similar if not more severe drops over 2022. The US government doesn't really care whether or not Meta/FB fails. If they did, they'd prop up the company more actively than now.
And this too.
A lot of US companies have basically said GFY to US regulators/law enforcement, or laughed them out of the room. The opposite isn't true in China. It's a false equivalence to equate what's happening to TikTok with US companies and governance.
Apple accused of ‘systematic violations’ of user privacy
Apple is facing another class action lawsuit over its practice of allegedly collecting and sending analytics data from iPhone users,...
9to5mac.com
Yeah that was a show they put on to promote how good their handling of users privacy is.
Is Apple the US government? Where in that article does it disprove anything I said?Apple accused of ‘systematic violations’ of user privacy
Apple is facing another class action lawsuit over its practice of allegedly collecting and sending analytics data from iPhone users,...
Yeah that was a show they put on to promote how good their handling of users privacy is.
It's not a direct thing, but their privacy protection is really pathetic, and if you think that the US government isn't buying/using the information gained from that... well, I don't know what to say.
Nobody's data belongs to anyone anyway, is the idea I think. Who cares if we have three watchers instead of two?
The problem isn't what the app collects, it's what happens to the data after it's been collected. ByteDance employees in China can have been caught using the individual user data of an American journalist as part of an internal leak investigation. If TikTok was based in the US the company and its employees could potentially face charges for that, but while they are based in China they are shielded from a lot of legal liability. The purpose of this bill is to simply ensure that the company is just as responsible for what it does with its user data as everyone else is.
Does US legislation not apply in cases such as this where it concerns a US citizen, regardless of where the company is operating out of? That seems odd.