If it were on par with WMR, they'd be literally selling it for $100, and while that could be a great thing, a lot of people would be disappointed with the quality at that point in time.
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ValveNewsNetwork: Left 4 Dead VR is real, new HL:A news at TGAs
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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I doubt it, given how much the Index costs. It's a premium device and not the kind of thing aimed at mainstream buyers like I'm sure Sony will want their next VR headset to be (unless they maybe sold it at a loss?)
PSVR2 is at least 2 years away, so incorporating those advances for cheaper isn't that crazy
Note that, the index headset itself is only $500 and psvr launched at $400.
Because they know that people associate Half-Life and Left 4 Dead with Valve and thus if they don't have a headset already they'll see "Valve Index" and associate that with the games?
I've been waiting a long time to see the VR tides change. The resistance is still strong, but we knew it would go like this. Don't get too defensive VR comrades, just give it time.
Except they openly advertise (in the trailer for HLVR) it works with any PC headset
And not everyone can just drop 1K without thinking and will ask/look for cheaper options.
Sony could create an Index today for a lower price due to their manufacturing scale and partnerships. In 2-3 years when PSVR2 launches, the parts will be much, much cheaper. They also don't need to go all out on 144Hz displays either; 120Hz is fine for gen 2.
Valve must feel pretty good about VE being a big part of the future of entertainment and are probably hoping to really push VR forward. Personally I'm ok with this but I get why some are not. I'm excited though.
I wouldn't worry, they wouldn't be porting L4D2 as is to VR, they would be creating a whole new zombie apocalypse survivor experience taylored for virtual reality. In VR game from the ground up Valve will just keep what works from the old games and quickly ditch what doesn't even if it was a big deal in those.
They literally have "STEAMVR" as the first thing you see in the trailer - the vendor agnostic, hardware agnostic VR platform; one of the many open ecosystems Valve either produces or developers toward - further clarified at the end with all the supported vendors. It's what they're known for, along with supporting the open ecosystem of the PC
Well, enough people can drop $1000 for them to deem it viable or else they wouldn't have made the Valve Index at all.
Yeah, I don't expect much of the gameplay from either HL or L4D to be very similar to the flat versions. There's going to be a lot of changes to the games for it to be VR.
Imagine playing 4 player co-op VR Left 4 Dead and having to scavenge around a house for ammo and supplies while zombies are rushing in. Sounds incredible. I do hope a traditional L4D3 comes as well.
At least in terms of the tech used, PSVR2 will be closer to WMR like the Odyssey+. It's gonna use inside out tracking with cameras on the headset. I'd believe those patents over anything else. It may have a similar display to the Index, but unfortunately inside-out seems to be the future of consumer VR which the Index will always be miles ahead of with the lighthouses.
Some of you saying about the Index. I do believe it, but for some folks, you never know. There really needs to be a way to try it before you buy it. Also the price of an Index is too much. I got the Rift+S with controllers for $350. That's a no brainer there. If you want to push VR to everyone, especially the Index, prices need to go way down. Remember, you still have to buy the Index Base Stations. That's still an $100+ device. I think $400 should be the sweet spot for high-end sets(Includes headset, base stations, and controllers). I want people have good head sets for a good price.
Makes me glad Valve allows all headsets to work. They're not stupid to have their games Index exclusive. I do intend to buy the Index gloves next year unless the other companies make something.
Makes me glad Valve allows all headsets to work. They're not stupid to have their games Index exclusive. I do intend to buy the Index gloves next year unless the other companies make something.
There's enough demand to justify making without losing money, but it's straight up silly to think there's enough there that it could sustain a business that wasn't valve.
I think it's more to push their store than their hardware.
Half Life 2 partially existed to push Steam as a digital distribution platform. Oculus and PlayStation both have high quality exclusives you can't get anywhere else. Valve doesn't really have anything like that right now. So Valve has to push people to buy VR games on their store to protect their dominance and grow the market so more people in general buy games on Steam which means more devs releasing VR games on Steam.
If you're cutting corners then it's not really on par with the Index but I see what you're saying. I assume the PSVR2 wouldn't have the costly base stations that the Index needs either.
I mean, this already happens unless Oculus strikes a deal with a developer
Is Valve still giving away their VR tech for free? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of it incorporated into a PSVR 2 a couple years from now.
You act like VR games are really slow for some reason
? The exact opposite? I'm saying VR players should be fast/accurate as kb/m players (in terms of physical character movement), I feel like people would be hesitant to have both PC and VR players in one game ?
Ahh, I think payday 2 already allows this and you can't really tell
I'll probably puke with nausea when boomer goes puking on me, followed by swarm of enemies fighting me, followed by hunter pouncing me to the ground.
Don't know. I thought that was just on the software side. It would make sense to use it though, whatever they're making available for use to others.
Yeah, I should have mentioned that PSVR2 will absolutely be inside-out. I meant more along the lines of the quality of Index, the comfort of Index, and the controllers of Index.
The whole point of building these high end options for enthusiasts is to bring those high end parts / hardware to market, manufacture at scale, gradually bringing those down in price etc.
As always, there is an enthusiast market for those, particularly for PC gaming too.
Some at Valve will be I'm sure. Others are probably fans of him.
It's all public domain though. If it wasn't Tyler doing this, someone else would.
I don't think this is too crazy considering how far away psvr2 will be. Maybe not finger tracking controllers, but the rest will make it in
Moreover, Valve doesn't run the tightest ship. Translations, game testers and more regularly have no NDA. I know a few who just go to Tyler as it's the easiest way to get info out to people as a "trusted" source
Which Oculus has been doing a lot. Valve has been doing a lot for Devs, but not on the level of Sony or Oculus from what I understand.
VR games are already a high risk for any company, as even if every PCVR owner bought your game you probably wouldn't break even. Hence devs making deals with Oculus and Sony.
From the outside looking in it looks like Valve is starting to catch up to their competitors in terms of content. Putting out quality content that'll get people to buy headsets and stay in your store.
If Valve wanted to compete on hardware they'd have made a far cheaper headset that was more convenient to use. I think they saw some demand at the high end for hardware and knew they have a Nintendo like following of people who will buy anything they make. That's why the Index exists. Maybe to act as reference hardware. I don't think Valve cares about competing with Oculus, HTC, or PSVR in terms of user base. As long as people stay in Steam they'll be happy.
I would argue computer vision isn't cutting corners. It just requires a large and talented engineering team (see Quest/Rift S vs the disaster that is Vive Cosmos).
With next gen chips/cameras, Quest 2 is going to be able to do flawless finger/arm/pose tracking in addition to controller tracking (and use arm poses to determine off camera position of controllers). This method will give results superior to any other tracking method and would literally shave hundreds off the BoM of Index. In a way you're trading engineering cost for manufacturing cost, but it would certainly reduce that actual manufacturing costs significantly (if your engineers were up to the task).
EDIT: Just so we're clear, superior means amazing controller tracking + the ability to do a lot of body tracking with no additional gear.
It's funny I took a break earlier this year from VR and I was still having some issues with Pavlov and motion sickness. Recently since the HL:A announcement, I spruced my Vive up with the Wireless kit + GearVR lenses and now all of a sudden I'm running in Pavlov like a mad man without a hint of nausea. Also just got Theta Legion on Oculus store and I'm strafing and doing wild maneuvers with locomotion that I never thought I could handle.
The only game that I have ever played in VR that requires more than enough room to somewhat extend your arms and spin (I am 5'10) is Thrill of the fight, although many VR games are much better when you can move around it is not necessary. Even Superhot doesn't require much room.
They didn't make me sign anything when I did a bunch of Steam Controller stuff for them. No NDA, no guidelines about what I could or couldn't talk about, nothing. They even encouraged me to talk openly about my experiences with them. I even posted pictures of the special account they gave me with every game on steam unlocked.
By contrast, with other companies, I've had to sign NDAs before even going through with an interview, let alone getting access to their tech.
Its a Premium device for 2019, Given how quickly we went from the OG Oculus rift for $600 without the touch controllers (IIRC) in 2016 to the Oculus Quest with stand alone and PC hookup, that will also have hand tracking with no additional hardware in 2019; I don't think saying that in ~3 years that the Index would be equivalent to a mid tier product is not much of a stretch.
You're probably right but I assumed the PSVR2 would be releasing a lot sooner than 3 years from now!