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passepied joe

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Wonder if OP would had made this thread if the Valkyria Chronicles series was still exclusive to Play Station ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lol maluma baby!.....

Honestly I'm not making any judgments on the entire game like writing off it's existence until I've played it. Until you play it entirely you have no idea on how the game handles the characters later on and their relationships with each other. Nor will I let the anime aesthetic or assumptions/stereotypes of country of origin paint my view.
 
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Linkura

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I showed this particular scene to my brothers girlfriend Aiko and a friend of her who both are native Japanese.
Her friend doesn't speak English but my brother translated her for me and said she thought the scene reminded her of Muten Roshi. She thought it was a little bit funny but she still prefers Muten Roshi. Aiko thought the men was a total creep but it didn't bother her. She named a couple of J-drama I have never heard of that contain main characters that are much worse.

Since Japan probably isn't going to change any time soon maybe removing content like this in western versions of games wouldn't be a bad idea in the future.
Or, you know, maybe Japanese creators can understand that this is a global market and if they are going to release shit globally, they need to to think globally when creating media. It's 2018, not 1918.
 

Lunar15

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Groping is never a funny joke and it astounds me to see it keep getting used in media. It's not even a funny joke when the person who gets groped knocks the other person out - that often just seems like a weird excuse to have it there in the first place.

It's also so insanely predictable at this point in Japan that I don't know how people aren't just simply just tired of the concept from overuse.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Groping is never a funny joke and it astounds me to see it keep getting used in media. It's not even a funny joke when the person who gets groped knocks the other person out - that often just seems like a weird excuse to have it there in the first place.

It's also so insanely predictable at this point in Japan that I don't know how people aren't just simply just tired of the concept from overuse.

It's like - what's the fastest way to make this character a tropy perv. Have her smack somebody on the butt. Subtly was not that particular scenes strength.
 

Lunar15

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It's like - what's the fastest way to make this character a tropy perv. Have her smack somebody on the butt. Subtly was not that particular scenes strength.

What if you just, didn't have a tropey perv?

The only reason they have that tropey perv is because it allows them more scenes to focus on what they think the audience is thinking: "oh, that girl's hot - I'd like to touch her butt". That's the entire thought process behind pervy characters in media, even when they're ridiculed, beaten, and teased. They're meant to be a stand-in for what the writers perceive the audience feels about their sexy characters while still still make it seem "bad". It's having your cake and eating it too.
 

BRSxIgnition

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I really hope this comes down to a different writer than the original game, because then it would be easier to fox going forward...

The original game had heart and soul put into its world and designs and storytelling especially - and it seems like it's slowly but surely been stripped away since the first installment in favor of fanservice like this.

If they could just improve the gameplay and systems of the first while keeping the solid writing intact, that would be a-fucking-mazing.
 

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I showed this particular scene to my brothers girlfriend Aiko and a friend of her who both are native Japanese.
Her friend doesn't speak English but my brother translated her for me and said she thought the scene reminded her of Muten Roshi. She thought it was a little bit funny but she still prefers Muten Roshi. Aiko thought the men was a total creep but it didn't bother her. She named a couple of J-drama I have never heard of that contain main characters that are much worse.

Since Japan probably isn't going to change any time soon maybe removing content like this in western versions of games wouldn't be a bad idea in the future.

Yeah, it's quite like that. Like I said, people focus too much on anime here but they forget that those same things happens in different japanese media. It's way above just one media.

And I do agree that for some of those aspects they should change in western releases since that situation clearly isn't going to change. I never saw any problem with TMS and XCX change since I can understand why the western subsidiaries changed some elements.

Or, you know, maybe Japanese creators can understand that this is a global market and if they are going to release shit globally, they need to to think globally when creating media. It's 2018, not 1918.

You wish that it was that simple. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion in 2018 and Japan wouldn't have this type of thing in their different types of media.

I know that this is a extreme comparison but that situation in Japan is like the problem that US have with guns, with the difference that way less people are aware and do something against it.
 
Mar 29, 2018
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Well, I kinda find this uncomfortable myself, but I'm pretty sure that anybody with half a braincell would realize that sexual harassment is wrong, even if it is depicted in a piece of fiction by a detestable garbage person.

That said, I don't think that "all video games should adhere to my moral standards", not because of an agenda or anything, but because it shouldn't be a video game's job to teach morals or be an electronic babysitter, and it's not like a young child or someone who has difficulty differentiating fiction from reality should have their hands on a game with controversial topics (Such as violence or sexual content) anyways.

At least the game hasn't thrown cleavage in my face yet. If I wanted to play something fanservice heavy, there's plenty of other games that do that, and if I wanted a jerking, I'd just go study on a pornography site.
 

Budi

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While I don't mind depicting sexual harassment or sexism in games (or any other bad or gross stuff), the flippant attitude in some games (and other media) is a problem though. This might be one of them. It's sometimes played for laughs or even cheered. And I mean the devs seem to be cheering too.
 
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Weltall Zero

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So, honest question, how many of you so offended by this scene watch Game of Thrones, Westworld, or any other show that depicts women being treated like garbage? If this is unacceptable here in a video game, why is it totally acceptable in most of today's most popular shows?

I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Mistreatment of women in Westworld is at no point treated as anything but heinous. This would be like Bernard casually grabbing Elsie's ass and the rest of the Mesa team laughing it off. Can you picture the public's reaction to such a scene?

Of course the central theme of Westworld is that hosts (male and female) are treated like literal subhuman disposable toys for target practice and worse, but this is depicted as deeply wrong (and as having consequences; oh man does it have them). This is not about a man treating a woman like shit, it's about a main character treating a woman like shit and the game portraying it as something trivial and even normal that should have no consequence. Getting a punch to the face and nothing more sends the message it's OK to grope a woman's ass as long as you're willing to endure the occassional slap or punch. If the character was expelled from the squad and you never heard about him again, then it would be actually considered a positive example. Framing and consequences, people. Context. You're adults, use a bit of the old critical thinking.
 

Budi

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I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Mistreatment of women in Westworld is at no point treated as anything but heinous. This would be like Bernard casually grabbing Elsie's ass and the rest of the Mesa team laughing it off. Can you picture the public's reaction to such a scene?

Of course the central theme of Westworld is that hosts (male and female) are treated like literal subhuman disposable toys for target practice and worse, but this is depicted as deeply wrong (and as having consequences; oh man does it have them). This is not about a man treating a woman like shit, it's about a main character treating a woman like shit and the game portraying it as something trivial and even normal that should have no consequence. If the character was expelled from the squad and you never heard about him again, then it would be actually considered a positive example. Framing and consequences, people. Context. You're adults, use a bit of the old critical thinking.
Yeah even cat calling is framed as a bad thing in the show. I vaguely remember Dolores and Teddy riding to town and guys whistling and such, the characters commented on this.
 
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I'm only up to chapter 4 but Raz is an all round a terrible person. Regarding the harassment depiction, it's unfortunately all to real, the guys don't do anything but awkwardly tell him not to do this shit in a "bro" way. And the women actively dislike him, but are forced to be around him.

I can understand why people don't want this story in their game (it doesn't make me uncomfortable, but I just want Claude to get rid of him already). But the OP argument is just wrong, they even quote the villains who are clearly portrayed as disgusting and despicable humans.
 

BRSxIgnition

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This is a extreme comparison but that situation in Japan is like the problem that US have with guns, with the difference that way less people are aware and do something against it.

While this comparison is as blunt as a baseball bat, it's accurate in regards to the difference between Japan and the rest of the world in regards to women's rights and how they're treated.

We in North America wonder how they can do stuff like this so easily, but many people outside of the US wonder how they can have killing machines available for purchase at Walmart.

It's culture and based in the background and even though doesn't make sense, it takes time to change, unfortunately.
 

tiebreaker

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To anyone who has played enough of the game, does Raz get a character development later or not?

I don't mind games showing this kind of things. But the guy has to be condemn and shown that it's wrong. And please don't uae pervy camera angle.
 
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I'm only up to chapter 4 but Raz is an all round a terrible person. Regarding the harassment depiction, it's unfortunately all to real, the guys don't do anything but awkwardly tell him not to do this shit in a "bro" way. And the women actively dislike him, but are forced to be around him.

I can understand why people don't want this story in their game (it doesn't make me uncomfortable, but I just want Claude to get rid of him already). But the OP argument is just wrong, they even quote the villains who are clearly portrayed as disgusting and despicable humans.

It's pretty clear that he is depicted as a terrible person, so I really don't understand the claims about it being endorsed by the developers.
 

Slime

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Japan is way behind on having these conversations, but if someone involved in Dragon Ball Super had the modicum of self-awareness to realize Master Roshi's perviness wouldn't fly in 2018, I guess there's hope?
 

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While this comparison is as blunt as a baseball bat, it's accurate in regards to the difference between Japan and the rest of the world in regards to women's rights and how they're treated.

We in North America wonder how they can do stuff like this so easily, but many people outside of the US wonder how they can have killing machines available for purchase at Walmart.

It's culture and based in the background and even though doesn't make sense, it takes time to change, unfortunately.

Exactly. That's what I meant to it and what I mean when I say japanese culture is the one who cause those things, much like american culture causes this vision for gun situation (which is changing to more people against it compared to years ago, to be fair).
 

starfox

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That's just women being shot, punched, kicked, and berated constantly. It's not showing any of the grab ass directly on camera. Now excuse me while I go back to dressing up my hostess to make her an S rank sexy gal.
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Budi

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Japan is way behind on having these conversations, but if someone involved in Dragon Ball Super had the modicum of self-awareness to realize Master Roshi's perviness wouldn't fly in 2018, I guess there's hope?
So it changed from 2017 to 2018? Since I very recently saw someone share a scene here. I can't quite remember what thread it was so I dont' have the clip at hand.
 

Weltall Zero

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Groping is never a funny joke and it astounds me to see it keep getting used in media. It's not even a funny joke when the person who gets groped knocks the other person out - that often just seems like a weird excuse to have it there in the first place.

I was talking about that the other day in the sexualization thread. It seems like a trend in Japanese media as of late is to portray sexualization and harassment as despicable but in a "funny" way, in order to have its cake and eat it. "See, we're not perverts, OK? Sexually harassing women is wrong. Look at this loser! Look at how he puts women in sexy outfits! See the sexy outfits? So ridiculouls! Here, we'll zoom and pan the camera over the breasts and ass so you can see how ridiculously sexualized they are. What a loser, right? Hahah!".

Xenoblade 2 did it with that slimy nopon character, and of course the new SNK Heroines whatsisname is what you get when you build an entire game around it.
 

JCG

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Japan is way behind on having these conversations, but if someone involved in Dragon Ball Super had the modicum of self-awareness to realize Master Roshi's perviness wouldn't fly in 2018, I guess there's hope?

I seem to recall someone posted a clip in another thread about him trying to do creepy stuff even in Super, but I don't remember the specifics. We do need less of that in any case.
 

Zafir

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Eh...I mean, the stuff that Yosuke demands is gross, but it feels like he demands it from a place of innocence and artistic devotion...except for the weird creepy undercurrent that happens later where he may have been on the same page as Ryuji, which makes him WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse than Ryuji...but even that's one of those weird, "the protagonist turns at the end of the movie with a creepy grin and glowing eyes showing he as the monster the whole tiiiiiiime" type thing, which is...something.
Are you getting confused between Yusuke and Yosuke?

Like I feel like Yusuke is creepy but can at least be argued away with artistic devotion and innocence, yeah. Yosuke is just a pervy homophobic teen.
 

Lunar15

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I was talking about that the other day in the sexualization thread. It seems like a trend in Japanese media as of late is to portray sexualization and harassment as despicable but in a "funny" way, in order to have its cake and eat it. "See, we're not perverts, OK? Sexually harassing women is wrong. Look at this loser! Look at how he puts women in sexy outfits! See the sexy outfits? So ridiculouls! Here, we'll zoom and pan the camera over the breasts and ass so you can see how ridiculously sexualized they are. What a loser, right? Hahah!".

Xenoblade 2 did it with that slimy nopon character, and of course the new SNK Heroines whatsisname is what you get when you build an entire game around it.

It's very, "Well, I wouldn't do that - but who wouldn't want to!" And then plus they get to have scenes that focus on breasts and butts. At the end of the day, that's what these scenes are about - drawing attention to the physical appearance of the female characters. That's why, even though the idea might be to showcase this character as a "rough guy" who will eventually need to change into a "good person", the reason they go the pervy route is to have some pervy scenes. There's a million ways to show that a person is bad - there's a reason this one way is chosen more often in a lot of media.
 

Slime

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So it changed from 2017 to 2018? Since I very recently saw someone share a scene here. I can't quite remember what thread it was so I dont' have the clip at hand.

Oh I never finished watching it so maybe they went back on it, but there was a storyline about him ~overcoming his perviness to become stronger~ (which was still gross and shouldn't be commended at all), but I was just shocked they went there at all.
 

Weltall Zero

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Are you getting confused between Yusuke and Yosuke?

Like I feel like Yusuke is creepy but can at least be argued away with artistic devotion and innocence, yeah. Yosuke is just a pervy homophobic teen.

I think he has Yosuke and Yusuke switched around, which is of course perfectly understandable, if a bit ironic considering the comment about precisely not mixing them up. :)

Quick mnemotecnic: yOsuke: O is the fourth vowel, Persona 4. yUsuke, U is the fifth vowel, Persona 5.

There's a million ways to show that a person is bad - there's a reason this one way is chosen more often in a lot of media.

Indeed, and the problem goes beyond that, it's that they want to show a character that is "somewhat bad, but not too bad" or "kind of bad, in a way that's relatable to the viewer". That they think groping a woman is the way to show this "slightly bad" character speaks volumes about what they think of groping.

I mean, a dude was caught on camera blatantly grabbing a woman's ass here in Spain; he's facing 1 to 3 years in prison as per the new Supreme Court's rulings. My country can be ass backwards (no pun intended) in terms of sexism sometimes, but even we have this shit straight. What the fuck is wrong with Japan?
 

Budi

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if it was a movie or tv series nobody would say a thing , but from anime o everything like that people espect it to give the good exemple like a fairytail or child cartoon
Funny typo, you mean fairy tale. As Fairytail has this similar shit in it. And I don't know how anybody can argue that having shit like this in media isn't normalizing it. I remember a thread where someone was asking recommendations for child friendly anime and there were a lot of answers mentioning series with gross objectification and harassment. "But there's not a lot of it!". "It's just two scenes!". Doesn't even cross people's mind that somebody could take an issue with it, especially in that case when it's for a kid.
 
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Superman

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can kind of see both sides. I can see the side that's offended and would like any and all behavior of that kind to not be included in media, foreign and domestic. I can also see the side that thinks it's an almost positive portrayal because she was celebrated for standing up for herself.

I don't know, since I'm in the "games are art" crowd, I'd rather the devs make exactly the type of game they want while I exercise my my right to not purchase their game and voice my concern for any filthy images they put out. They'll either get the hint or won't. Like comedy, I think there should be some liberal freedom to do what they want and while I don't support that type of sexualized behavior, I also don't support censorship. They exercise their right, I exercise mine and hopefully they'll get the hint. If not then I won't support them.

I feel like I've said absolutely nothing lol.
 

Fosko

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IIt's more gross than I expected. But it's kind of weird, I haven't seen this kind of stuff (ass grabing) in anime too much, so it doesn't seem like an anime troop. Could it be that they thought that this stuff is normal in the west, and made it to appeal to that audience?
 
Feb 16, 2018
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maybe the game should get a higher ESRB rating

but i'm not sure about the comments relating to fictional characters normalizing real-life attitudes.

we fought against that type of reasoning quite strongly when it was about violence in video games. maybe this situation is different. i don't have enough context, and i haven't seen the actual science behind it to make a conclusion
 

Ferrs

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Oh I never finished watching it so maybe they went back on it, but there was a storyline about him ~overcoming his perviness to become stronger~ (which was still gross and shouldn't be commended at all), but I was just shocked they went there at all.

They went full on back..
 

Hercule

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I think he has Yosuke and Yusuke switched around, which is of course perfectly understandable, if a bit ironic considering the comment about precisely not mixing them up. :)

Quick mnemotecnic: yOsuke: O is the fourth vowel, Persona 4. yUsuke, U is the fifth vowel, Persona 5.



Indeed, and the problem goes beyond that, it's that they want to show a character that is "somewhat bad, but not too bad" or "kind of bad, in a way that's relatable to the viewer". That they think groping a woman is the way to show this "slightly bad" character speaks volumes about what they think of groping.

I mean, a dude was caught on camera grabbing a woman's ass here in Spain; he's facing 1 to 3 years in prison as per the new Supreme Court's rulings. My country can be ass backwards (no pun intended) in terms of sexism sometimes, but even we have this shit straight. What the fuck is wrong with Japan?

Different culture, it's changing but it's going to take a long time. Every country has it's things other countries frown upon. Bullfighting for example is not something that's well liked here in the Netherlands. On the other hand, we still have Zwarte piet (Black Pete) and it's going to take a extremely long time for that to change.
 

CrocodileGrin

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Even if the first game had light fanservicey, tropey moments, it was nothing that bothered me. Reading about that scene in VC4 shows that's some poor excuse for writing and character development (if that even exists for Raz, because sounds like it's barely there). This last part of the year was already crammed with games, so looks like can write this one off from my list of games to buy in 2018. I was bored by the demo, but was willing to give it a chance over my love for VC1 and it being my favorite RPG from the previous gen. Super disappointing.
 

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Was able to find it.


WELP ignore everything I just typed!!!

They didn't at least with that scene. That happened before he actually ~trained~ to stop being a pervert.


Different culture, it's changing but it's going to take a long time. Every country has it's things other countries frown upon. Bullfighting for example is not something that's well liked here in the Netherlands. On the other hand, we still have Zwarte piet (Black Pete) and it's going to take a extremely long time for that to change.

Considering that Watsuki (Rurouni Kenshin mangaka) was found with many children porn and got just a slap on the wrist by the jury with a amount of fine (since the law was approved in 2014 but still have many problems) and later got back to work, I think it says clearly that it's going to be decades and decades until it changes in many of those aspects.

Of course, that's not even counting that the first volume of his current work which is a sequel of Kenshin sold 175k on it's first week which is a pretty big number so yeah, you can grasp the situation.
 

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Gotta love the whole "But but the gamez is set in 1930s" in an attempt to justify the game and to that I say...so what? It's clearly set in a fantasy land starring animé character. The game isn't going for realism nor does it justify the sexist attitude of the male characters.


I was going to get the game but not anymore.

but wait, there's more


"SAY WHA??? I WAS NUDE IN THE COLD THIS WHOLE TIME"

*face palm*
*fist palm*


So rather than teaching male players not being an asshole to the women and female players not take any crap from sexist men, they instead went for "Women are naggy perverts that should stay in the kitchen."

Yeah fuck this game, seriously Sega you localized this game and not once did you think...."Yeah we can't localize the game in this state and will require mayor rewrites."

Gamergates be like:

Keep your politics away from my games
But please, don't forget to include sexual abuse/ harassment or the sjw will win

Don't forget the ever popular lame ass excuse;

"I don't care, I play video game to escape the real world." ¬_¬;

Thank goodness that I quickly grew out of that mindset and started engaging my brain rather than sticking my head in the sand.

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Why do I always look at the comments, goddammit

Do they not know that #Metoo isn't gender exclusive and is a campaign to report sexual harassment which can happen to anyone?

Then again the whole "Thank God" comment from John Smith suggest that he clearly doesn't care and probably view women poorly.

Japan is way behind on having these conversations, but if someone involved in Dragon Ball Super had the modicum of self-awareness to realize Master Roshi's perviness wouldn't fly in 2018, I guess there's hope?

Oh god, as I got older I quickly learnt that I couldn't stomach Roshi's perviness, especially towards Bulma when she was underage.

Roshi is a fucking pedo.
 

mjc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Somehow I'm not surprised, Japanese developers need to stop with the excuse that pandering to sexual harassment/sexism is ok. It's been gross for a long time and it sticks out like a sore thumb.
 

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Oh please, let's stop with the bullshit of putting everything on otaku when the problem is much bigger than this and it's very ingrainted with japanese culture even before anime and manga existed (yes, unfortunately I have to refer to otaku as this even when the term serves to many more interests). Japan has a problem with it's treatment of women way before it, the very vision that women should be pure, on how they should act, that women should give children to men and many other problems. Japanese entertainment media have this problem because of Japan itself, not because of otaku.

Lastly, let's not forget that the ~otaku culture~ also happens on drama, movies and TV talk shows of Japan not only before this even existed but right now. There's a reason as to why more progressist japanese don't like those parts.

I'm aware the Japanese use of the term otaku is not exclusive to anime fandom. But nonetheless, no one uses anime to mean animation in general outside of Japan. Same concept.

I'm not talking about your average anime otaku who goes to cons and buys some merch, I'm talking the enthusiasts who get deep into it and need this sort of stuff to be amused. I apologise if it seemed like I was generalizing. It's something that's been talked about by those in the anime industry itself- men who know nothing about interacting with real women are making anime with women based upon the fictional women they do know. I assume the same thing applies to games with what seems, to me, to be a sudden recent explosion in this creepy shit. After all, a number of Japanese games do treat their women protagonists with respect- and it seems said games are coming from companies who don't hire otaku who bury themselves in anime and no reality to major creative roles.

However, perhaps you are correct that it (that such a game exists) runs deeper than mere otaku in the workspace, given the example that some J-dramas are even worse. After all, the country as a whole has a problem with many men who just don't see the point in interacting with women. It could be a result of those men as well.

I'm just tired of dismissive comments that treat Japanese culture as this horrible thing with no positives. It's a beautiful culture that needs to have problematic aspects excised, not wholesale dismissed as bad and evil compared to Western culture.

Edit: To be clear, yes, sexism is a serious problem in Japanese culture. It's just, like, even more excessive in games like this, or so I thought.
 
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Weltall Zero

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I can kind of see both sides. I can see the side that's offended and would like any and all behavior of that kind to not be included in media, foreign and domestic.

If you think the issue is about his behavior per se, rather than how it's framed / treated and the consequences it has, then I'm afraid you don't "see" at all.

It's quite simple, really. Replace the assgrab with, say, beating the shit of a subordinate for no reason. Ask yourself:
  • How does that make you feel about the character? Do you feel he can still be a sympathetic main character? Or would this scene rather characterize him as a villain (or a very unhinged individual at least) in your eyes?
  • How would you feel if the game portrayed it as something funny, other characters didn't much react, and went on to have him among the main cast with no consequence? Would this seem odd to you? Would there be some strain in the back of your mind to believe this?
  • If you complained about it, would you be complaining about the fact that a character has beaten up another character, or would you be against how the game frames the severity of the action? What would you say to someone who interpreted your objection as saying that "characters can't be depicted beating another character", ever? Would you consider that to be an accurate summation of your point of view, or a strawman far removed from your actual complaints?
If this example seems farfetched or exaggerated, remember: the original example is sexual assault, a crime in most developed countries, often with jail time. If you think sexual assault isn't a serious crime, consider it might be you who needs to readjust your views.
 

Dymaxion

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The Easy Allies review of VC4 mentioned that scene, and after I saw it, I decided to the delete the demo version of it I had not completed. As a long-time fan of anime and Japanese games, I'm disappointed that developers still think intentional sexual harassment as a joke is funny enough to put in some of their games. I wonder if older otaku still like that sort of thing after the hundredth time they've seen these gags. I wonder if the opinions of the older otaku audience do not even matter as younger otaku (who would enjoy these tropes more) enter the fray.
 

RobertM

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Oh the comments, so much ignorance and delusion.

I am really disappointed by direction of the characters in this games. I had really high hopes since they haven't made a console VC since the first one, and to me the first game had good depiction of war, death, tragedy, and hope. They didn't play up the silliness like they did in the sequels (VC2 highschooler tropes) and yet they are continuing making that same mistake. You can be fun and silly, but the subject matter at hand allows very little for it and should be treated with some level of seriousness.
 

DanteLinkX

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Getting into these threads feel like a battle field. So many fallen soldiers xD.

Regarding the op. I just dont know how these games get the go ahead with this kind of content. I mean, I understand there are some game exclusively for adults and all but dont know how a "serious" game like this (at least thats how I percieved it before) gets this kind of content.
 

Inuhanyou

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^ *EDIT* The "i'll never be able to get married" trope makes me see red every single time

I've consumed tons of japanese media over the years. There's only a few times i've actually been surprised at a game's lack of self awareness. The camping scene in Persona 4, everything in Xenoblade 2, and the ass grabbing scene in Valkyria Chronicles 4 and the subsuqent Raz dialogue. I don't think i'm going to like this character very much, even if his attitude and "redemption" arc is played for tropey laughs