Here's a Dallas Morning News article about the Vic case, the Dallas Morning News even interviewed Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi:
Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
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Article about how the stans are handling stuff this came out today.
https://www.themarysue.com/alt-right-fandom-doxxing-harassment/
https://www.themarysue.com/alt-right-fandom-doxxing-harassment/
I shouldn't be surprised by this point, but I constantly am with how far these lowlifes go. Absolutely disgusting.
Great article. Pretty damn scary. What are the sad/rabid puppies mentioned at the beginning of the article? Never heard of them before.
Never heard of them either. The Wikipedia article says they're a sci fi group made trying to bully nonwhites out of awards. The article is also almost completely dedicated to how they're huge failures. So that's reassuring at least.
It was made by some bald white dude trying to give his own novel an award, which just reminds me about a libertarian alternate history author who made an award just so he could give it to himself.
I've been meaning to ask what, exactly, drew the ire of ISWV towards you for some time. Obviously there's the misogyny factor, but according to this, it was just you casually tossing out a hashtag?
Regardless, the conspiracy theories in the comments are fun times!
Good that the story's getting out there more. Shine some light on the sexpest-defending cockroaches.
A few years ago, noted Internet idiot and white supremacist Ted Beale (aka Vox Day) decided the amount of non-white people winning Hugo awards for fiction was too damn high, and tried to game the Hugo award system in favor of horrid white nazi authors. There were two groups working on that, called the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies.
They were actually successful in 2015, gaming the voting process to the point where they won every category except for Best Film. In response, the Hugo committee changed every category's winner to "No Award". In 2016 they only won two categories (also "No Award"ed), and they faded into obscurity.
Oh I think I remember hearing about that, didn't know those were what they were called though. Thanks.
Beale is also apart of comicsgate as well, having created a comic alongside an industry veteran who has also gone over to the dark side, Chuck Dixon. However, his project is so far to my knowledge the only comicsgate project that Indiegogo has shut down (granted it was part two of the project).
He's also said and done far worse than the sad/rabid puppies as this article explains:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale
Also here's a video by Kevin Logan that dives further into his bigotry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rNhFUWWKQs
Suddenly the Vic Stans and Screech act like they give a shit about Monica's well-being after sending her death threats and harassment is absolutely disgusting. I saw a video someone posted of a snippet of the stream. ((Sorry I'm linking I terrible at this message board stuff.)) I mean it's transparent as hell, they suddenly want to support her only to sabotage Ron and give Vic a win, which has nothing to do with Vic's case. It's so gross how they discredit anyone coming out with Vic stories of abuse or harassment but now they act like they care and want to support her (and Ron's ex wife) but only if it's her husband abusing/harassing her, which he isn't. I'm glad she has those tools blocked. Sorry I'm so angry but have nowhere else to vent except here.
If it's any consolation there's no fucking way anybody is failing to see through what these assholes are trying to do. It's the weird, moldy cherry on top of the whole shit sundae of stupid they've been serving up since this whole matter became public
Yeah, in my mind, what I was doing was pretty casual, just to connect stories from various people so that it didn't get lost. It wasn't some intention to start, like, a movement. Can't deny that's kinda what ended up happening, though.
On the subject of Puppies, it's worth noting it's a far more complex issue than is presented here. I'm not accusing anyone of being intentionally reductionist, but it's worth reading on the subject. The lists didn't just push white neo nazi authors/works. A number of authors wanted nothing to do with it, asked to be removed, and weren't. Neil Gaiman was one of the puppies noms at one point for God's sake.
Vox Day in particular is unrepentant human trash without a doubt, but be careful when assigning ethical/moral malfeasance if you hear someone popped up on a Puppies slate.
Vox Day in particular is unrepentant human trash without a doubt, but be careful when assigning ethical/moral malfeasance if you hear someone popped up on a Puppies slate.
As someone with several of his poster prints, seeing Tim Doyle mentioned as a voice calling out comicsgate makes me happy.
No one really suggested otherwise. The entire point originally was to push Correia's own works.
The fact theh also voted for other white people doesn't change the fact posters here are correct, the movement was started to push horrible right wing works.
If anyone looks into it enough to know the slates, they will veey likely know the reactions of the authors behind the works that appear there.
I honestly don't know what your problem here is.
I was pretty clear I wasn't accusing anyone of here of anything. Of course it doesn't change the facts or negate anything anyone said here. It wasn't supposed to. Do you think I'm defending the movement somehow? It reads like you do but I honestly don't know how you could extract that from what I wrote.
It's easy to see how someone could read a general statement that voting slates were created to push racist works and make the assumption that anything ending up on those slates were placed there for that reason, without ever reading more about the issue. I was saying "hey here's a good reason to read more on the subject". That's it.
No idea why you got defensive, wasn't an accusation or commentary on motivations.
Your post wasn't necessary, imo, that's it.
I got defensive because it read like you were in passive aggressive attack mode. You made arguments "against" me that didn't even have anything to do with what I said. You said my post didn't change the fact that what was said about the Puppies was correct, as if that was in fact what I was trying to say. That's usually a tactic of bad actors.
As far as whether or not the post was "necessary"... that's a weak criticism and one I'll just respectfully disagree with.
No, you read it that way.
It's not a criticism as much as it's a conversation, one you have become needlessly defensive about.
I'm stunned you are trying to spin it that way. I've said what I have to say and we've added too much noise to an otherwise important topic, so I'm leaving it there.
There is no spin, I found your post unnecessary as explained. This is an open forum for discussion and you raised the subject, sorry you are stunned by that.
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Just looking at the post above, your argument looks like it spawned from the statement that Sad Puppies "tried to game the Hugo award system in favor of horrid white nazi authors", which makes it sound like the actual individual authors chosen are problematic as opposed to having an overall problematic all-white all-male agenda.
Now, I'm reading a lot into one sentence, but my heart is saying that we're going to see Beard being extremely smug about a nonsensical motion while avoiding the defense's polite advice.
Just looking at the post above, your argument looks like it spawned from the statement that Sad Puppies "tried to game the Hugo award system in favor of horrid white nazi authors", which makes it sound like the actual individual authors chosen are problematic as opposed to having an overall problematic all-white all-male agenda.
Now, I'm reading a lot into one sentence, but my heart is saying that we're going to see Beard being extremely smug about a nonsensical motion while avoiding the defense's polite advice.
It doesn't read like that imo.
They did try to game the system in favour of that, that's how it started. They voted for other white authors because they were not poc.
Edit: off topic or not, I think it was an okay conversation to have. If we want to talk about it further though maybe we should PM
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Jesus christ it is bizarre to see people so hyped up about procedural arguments in litigation
Oh lord, they actually bring up the "actual malice" definition in the filing. This is hilarious.
EDIT: And then this acid burn a couple pages later:
EDIT: And then this acid burn a couple pages later:
The best part about that entire debacle was that they ended up gaming the system to get someone an award--Chuck Tingle, author of works including:
-Pounded in the Butt by My Own Butt
-Pounded in the Butt by My Book 'Pounded in the Butt by My Own Butt'
-Pounded in the Butt by My Book 'Pounded in the Butt by My Book 'Pounded in the Butt by My Own Butt''
-Space Raptor Butt Invasion
They did it to make the awards seem like a huge crock of shit, but Chuck Tingle wasn't here for that. Part of the reason was that most of his works are somewhat satirical and political... but since half the ridiculousness of his works rely on readers not actually knowing who he is, he decided to announce that, should he win the award, he would send someone to accept it on his behalf.
Zoe Quinn.
He then managed to get the web domain the Puppies forgot to register, and used it to drive traffic to Quinn's book, as well as NK Jemisin's nominated novel that year and an LGBTQIA charity, as well as his local library. Basically, he trolled the trolls, and it was great.
Tim's been doing it for quite a while! That's actually how I found him. :)
The email exchange at the end is pure fire. Percy is SO fucked.
What shocks me most about Exhibit A of this new filing is that Ty still seems to think he's somehow intimidating to Mr Lemoine.
Bluster and bravado is all Ty's got. It's been painfully obvious from the start that he's in way over his head.
EDIT: There's something to be said about having a berserker horde of screaming rabid alt-right feeeeeeeeeeeeemale haters right behind you, egging you on. I would bet that there is a modicum of self-preservation working here as well, seeing as how the Vicstans would absolutely tear Ty apart if he ditched them now.
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A comment I bit my tongue on earlier making earlier is that Ty Beard is the only one of Team Vic who I can imagine not being aware that he's an awful human being. Not because I think he's redeemable or has any innocent intentions whatsoever, but because he's proven to be so consistently and cartoonishly stupid that I can conceive that he might not have thought things out that far.
Hell, I haven't bothered looking at the actual filing yet, I just went straight to the e-mail chain because I was confident that Beard would be making an ass of himself there.
Sean, if you're reading this thread, I sincerely thank you for this.
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This trial continues to be a mess.
BTW how much worst it could had been if Vic had no lawyer?
BTW how much worst it could had been if Vic had no lawyer?
Depends on what you mean.
If you mean he represented himself?
He'd be even more fucked. At least Beard has a cursory understanding of the law even if he clearly knows shit about defamation. Vic seemed to buy hook line and sinker that suing anyone could somehow magically get him his jobs and con appearances back.
If you mean he never lawyered up and just slunk off? He'd be a LOT fucking better off in the public eye, I'll tell you that much. Of course, he has more supporters now than if he just slunk off thanks to CG grifters, but as a result the same amount of people who joined to support him are now equaled by those rallying against him.
As always, they didn't come to play -- that conclusion alone is just OOMPH.
Rekieta/Beard's grifting is one thing, but Beard's buffoonery (and by association, Vic's) will never not be stupefying to me.
If you need more to satiate your "stupid people trying to sue for defamation" hunger:
In The Matter Of Diamond And Silk's Very Real Lawyer v. Wonkette: Bring It, Sh*thead
It's a gas.
In The Matter Of Diamond And Silk's Very Real Lawyer v. Wonkette: Bring It, Sh*thead
It's a gas.
You can talk that spicy in a legal brief?As always, they didn't come to play -- that conclusion alone is just OOMPH.
Rekieta/Beard's grifting is one thing, but Beard's buffoonery (and by association, Vic's) will never not be stupefying to me.
Yeah he ssems to be getting high off his own supply and forgetting this is a grift
As always, they didn't come to play -- that conclusion alone is just OOMPH.
Rekieta/Beard's grifting is one thing, but Beard's buffoonery (and by association, Vic's) will never not be stupefying to me.
That's not just shade, that's cloaking something in complete darkness.
Dude better be careful. Percy is gonna sue him for defamation now for stating that he's "whining".
Jesus Christ, you can be like that in court filings?As always, they didn't come to play -- that conclusion alone is just OOMPH.
Rekieta/Beard's grifting is one thing, but Beard's buffoonery (and by association, Vic's) will never not be stupefying to me.