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FSR Ultra Quality seems pretty comparable to Native and to DLSS Quality to me, both in Necromunda and Avengers (both in IQ and performance).
DLSS Quality has still a bit of an edge, but not that abyss people thing it has.
For sure FSR Ultra Quality is miles better than DLSS 1.0 and to me it also looks and performs better than regular TAA.
I'm talking about REV specifically but it's not in either of these two as well. DLSS Quality is a lot closer to native that FSR UQ.
It has enough of "an edge" to be better than UQ at UP sometimes and that's huge.
DLSS 1.0 is dead and buried. FSR can't look better than regular TAA because TAA is running alongside FSR. You're confusing FSR with sharpening which is a part of FSR and does often improve TAA output.
The following is a good in-depth analysis from both a performance and IQ point of view which also mirrors my final thoughts about it:
FSR Ultra Quality @ 4K is a valid alternative to DLSS Quality, and I really can't wait it to land on consoles where it's currently desperately needed for RT games.
FSR seems to be quite simple to implement. A modder even added it to GTA V some weeks ago.
Nope, it's off the mark at several points: DLSS does fine in low resolutions (hence why it's better in lower quality presets which they state), particles is a bug of TAA and not DLSS (can be checked by turning TAA off in native), DLSS is considerably better than FSR in motion due to having much more temporal stability in reconstruction.
Basically avoid listening to anything HUB says on DLSS/FSR and RT these days. They've spent so much time promoting the idea that both are bad that it will take them some time to find a way out of their confirmation bias.
All console games with RT are using some form of reconstruction already. FSR won't bring anything of value to them.
Are there any ray-traced games on console that don't already use reconstruction?
At such low resolution it's better to render natively. I've tried some weeks ago FSR on lower resolutions(On a 768p panel) and results weren't good. SteamDeck 7-inch screen might hide some of its flaws though.
Don't bother engaging that guy about Hardware Unboxed. He's got something against them or someting, so your discussions with him aren't going to be in good faith.
FSR still has a ways to go and improve, especially compared to DLSS 2.0. I'd love to see AMD blend this technique with a temporal solution for FSR 2.0 or something. But it's a good first step and the video's look pretty good to me. I'm curious to try some more stuff out.
Yeah I have something against people who constantly spread blatant FUD about h/w things.
They will most certainly do so making themselves 1.0 obsolete in the process.
FSR 1.0 is a great substitution for a resolution scaler / slider and I'd argue that all games which have such functionality should look into upgrading it to FSR.
Beyond that however any reconstruction technique would be better in almost everything in IQ with a possible exception of performance overhead.
I used Necromunda Hired Gun to create a comparison of DLSS, FSR, and TAAU + CAS (didn't seem fair to me to not sharpen when DLSS and FSR do their own sharpening). As far as I know, this is the only title where we can compare all 3 (and it requires digging in the config files, for the record).
The below 4k shots are normalized around framerate (within a couple fps of each other, ballpark 90 fps on my machine).
DLSS Performance
FSR Balanced
TAAU 56% res scale + CAS 30% intensity (reshade)
I was stupid and forgot to take a native screenshot of this scene, so apologies for that.
Honestly, the only plus I can give FSR is that the artifacts when an object is temporarily occluded aren't as noticeable as TAAU (though the ghosting of the TAA is still very noticeable in those situations, so either way it'll draw the eye). DLSS does a pretty good job of minimizing those artifacts, though they do of course still exist. I hands down prefer the TAAU result compared to FSR, and am very much in camp "why bother" when it comes to FSR getting adoption.
The below 4k shots are normalized around framerate (within a couple fps of each other, ballpark 90 fps on my machine).
DLSS Performance
FSR Balanced
TAAU 56% res scale + CAS 30% intensity (reshade)
I was stupid and forgot to take a native screenshot of this scene, so apologies for that.
Honestly, the only plus I can give FSR is that the artifacts when an object is temporarily occluded aren't as noticeable as TAAU (though the ghosting of the TAA is still very noticeable in those situations, so either way it'll draw the eye). DLSS does a pretty good job of minimizing those artifacts, though they do of course still exist. I hands down prefer the TAAU result compared to FSR, and am very much in camp "why bother" when it comes to FSR getting adoption.
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I used Necromunda Hired Gun to create a comparison of DLSS, FSR, and TAAU + CAS (didn't seem fair to me to not sharpen when DLSS and FSR do their own sharpening). As far as I know, this is the only title where we can compare all 3 (and it requires digging in the config files, for the record).
The below 4k shots are normalized around framerate (within a couple fps of each other, ballpark 90 fps on my machine).
DLSS Performance
FSR Balanced
TAAU 56% res scale + CAS 30% intensity (reshade)
I was stupid and forgot to take a native screenshot of this scene, so apologies for that.
Honestly, the only plus I can give FSR is that the artifacts when an object is temporarily occluded aren't as noticeable as TAAU (though the ghosting of the TAA is still very noticeable in those situations, so either way it'll draw the eye). DLSS does a pretty good job of minimizing those artifacts, though they do of course still exist. I hands down prefer the TAAU result compared to FSR, and am very much in camp "why bother" when it comes to FSR getting adoption.
DLSS easily wins for me here, it doesn't look oversharpened or aliased and manages to reconstruct some lines that are missing with FSR and TAAU.
To be fair, this is not much of a deal at 4K. I'd prefer DLSS over the others any day, but for people without RTX cards the alternatives aren't bad either, unless the target is 1440p or below.
Which one is which? There's more detail in the image on the right and fewer jaggies.DLSS easily wins for me here, it doesn't look oversharpened and manages to reconstruct some lines that are missing with FSR and TAAU.
The left one is FSR, you see some vertical lines missing, more aliasing on the grid, and halo/sharpening artifacts around the beam on the center/right.
Yeah I thought so. You can also see detail on that grid thing next to the cables which is missing on the left image.
DLSS easily wins for me here, it doesn't look oversharpened or aliased and manages to reconstruct some lines that are missing with FSR and TAAU.
To be fair, this is not much of a deal at 4K. I'd prefer DLSS over the others any day, but for people without RTX cards the alternatives aren't bad either, unless the target is 1440p or below.
The diagonal line not being resolved as expected is a deal breaker. Reminds me of AMD MLAA applied at driver level or a stacks of AA applied with reshade as a post process without tweaking the values.
Bothered me that I forgot the native resolution screenshot, so I prepared another set of comparison shots on Necromunda. Same conditions as before.
Note: it is known that the TAA in this game effectively erases a lot of the smaller particles. DLSS preserves them much better.
Kinda seems like this game has the same LOD Bias problem that some other games have with DLSS. Particularly noticeable on the skull in the center of the frame.
Native
DLSS Performance
TAAU 56% + CAS 30% Intensity (Reshade)
FSR Balanced
Note: it is known that the TAA in this game effectively erases a lot of the smaller particles. DLSS preserves them much better.
Kinda seems like this game has the same LOD Bias problem that some other games have with DLSS. Particularly noticeable on the skull in the center of the frame.
Native
DLSS Performance
TAAU 56% + CAS 30% Intensity (Reshade)
FSR Balanced
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Fortunately, LOD bias oversights are easily fixed via Nvidia Profile Inspector, so you don't have to wait around hoping for a patch or driver profile update.
The fact it's still happening makes me wonder how stressed the issue is in the DLSS documentation and whether Nvidia shouldn't update it to really bop devs over the head with the fact that enabling DLSS ought to trigger a corresponding change in the LOD bias value so that it lines up with the reconstructed resolution.
The fact it's still happening makes me wonder how stressed the issue is in the DLSS documentation and whether Nvidia shouldn't update it to really bop devs over the head with the fact that enabling DLSS ought to trigger a corresponding change in the LOD bias value so that it lines up with the reconstructed resolution.
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Yeah, does make like for like comparison shots tricky though if I have to reboot to fix it. Also, the problem exists for TAAU as well. I honestly assumed UE4 would handle it correctly.
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Modder adds AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution to Skyrim VR, Fallout 4 VR, and more
High virtual reality frame rates and higher quality visuals sound like a good use of AMD's upscaling tech.
Texture LOD yes, engine's geometry LODs no, these have to be patched by the developer.
VideoCardz: "AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution FP32 fallback tested, native FP16 is 7% faster"
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AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution FP32 fallback tested, native FP16 is 7% faster - VideoCardz.com
AMD FSR FP32 fallback tested with Radeon RX 6800 XT When AMD made its FidelityFX Super Resolution technology open source, the GPU manufacturer disclosed that the upscaling technology supports a fallback for older GPUs. If the GPU does not support half-precision (FP16) compute acceleration, AMD...
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Latest Edge of Eternity update enables AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution support
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My apologies for the double post, but the latest Edge of Eternity update enables AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution support.
TechPowerUp: "AMD FidelityFX FSR Source Code Released & Updates Posted, Uses Lanczos under the Hood"
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My apologies for the post being late and for the triple post, but I thought this is very interesting.
www.techpowerup.com
AMD FidelityFX FSR Source Code Released & Updates Posted, Uses Lanczos under the Hood
AMD today in a blog post announced several updates to the FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) technology, its performance enhancement rivaling NVIDIA DLSS, which lets gamers dial up performance with minimal loss to image quality. To begin with, the company released the source code of the...
VideoCardz: "Myst for Xbox to feature AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution at launch"
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Myst for Xbox to feature AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution at launch - VideoCardz.com
Xbox Myst with AMD FSR support A month and a half after confirming AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution support for XBOX Game Development Kit, we finally have the first game supporting this technology on this generation of consoles. AMD FSR is a single-frame spatial image-enhancing technology that...
videocardz.com
Myst for Xbox to feature AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution at launch - VideoCardz.com
Xbox Myst with AMD FSR support A month and a half after confirming AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution support for XBOX Game Development Kit, we finally have the first game supporting this technology on this generation of consoles. AMD FSR is a single-frame spatial image-enhancing technology that...
Wow, that slider with FFX on just makes the game look a lot worse with lost texture detail
Myst for Xbox to feature AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution at launch - VideoCardz.com
Xbox Myst with AMD FSR support A month and a half after confirming AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution support for XBOX Game Development Kit, we finally have the first game supporting this technology on this generation of consoles. AMD FSR is a single-frame spatial image-enhancing technology that...
This'll be neat to look at more closely on the 26th. Admittedly, the example with the slider isn't the best "pitch" for it, but I also want to see this on my own screen.
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An interesting article on GitHub on how AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution can be optimised for mobile devices, with the iPhone 12 mentioned in the article.
DSOGaming: "Myst – Ray Tracing, NVIDIA DLSS and AMD FSR Benchmarks & Comparisons"
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Myst - Ray Tracing, NVIDIA DLSS and AMD FSR Benchmarks & Comparisons
Myst Remake uses Unreal Engine 4, supports both NVIDIA DLSS and AMD FSR, and features ray-traced reflections.
www.dsogaming.com
The Medium now officially supports AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution
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Call of Duty Vanguard to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) - VideoCardz.com
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution in COD: Vanguard? The Beta of Call of Duty Vanguard, the latest installment in the series, is now available to people who preordered the game. This weekend COD: V will have an open beta for every person willing to test the new game. Currently, it is only now...
videocardz.com
Sigh.
Between this and Deathloop FSR is doing exactly what I was afraid of - pushing DLSS out of PC games in favor of a much worse upscaling technique.
Do these titles have amd sponsorships?Call of Duty Vanguard to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) - VideoCardz.com
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution in COD: Vanguard? The Beta of Call of Duty Vanguard, the latest installment in the series, is now available to people who preordered the game. This weekend COD: V will have an open beta for every person willing to test the new game. Currently, it is only now...
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Between this and Deathloop FSR is doing exactly what I was afraid of - pushing DLSS out of PC games in favor of a much worse upscaling technique.
Not that I'm aware of.
And this is the main concern here - developers themselves will opt for a worse but wider supported tech, especially if it's easier to implement.
As a result FSR just makes upscaling landscape on PC worse in general.
I sure hope that FSR 2.0 is coming soon and it will be on par with DLSS.
XeSS also can't come soon enough.
Call of Duty Vanguard to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) - VideoCardz.com
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution in COD: Vanguard? The Beta of Call of Duty Vanguard, the latest installment in the series, is now available to people who preordered the game. This weekend COD: V will have an open beta for every person willing to test the new game. Currently, it is only now...
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Between this and Deathloop FSR is doing exactly what I was afraid of - pushing DLSS out of PC games in favor of a much worse upscaling technique.
This sucks.
Why can't dev support both?
Am I right in thinking FSR is worse than simply dropping the resolution slider down? Slightly blurrier but without artifacts and noise seems like the better deal to me?
Maybe if nvidia made the whole thing open source we'd see more implementations of it, but they gotta be dicks about it. XeSS is the only other viable solution because of this.
This is entirely nvidia's fault though, they could have opened sourced it and fucking bungled it.
Both would be best. But considering that, what, ~17% of people on Steam own a DLSS-compatible GPU, I'd rather devs focused on what the majority of people can use.
They can.
It's a business decision whether they want to or not.
FSR takes worst-case a few hours to integrate and works on all GPUs, both PCs and consoles.
DLSS requires a lot more work and maintenance throughout development, is a lot more invasive in the game render pipeline and only works on probably ~20% the userbase on PC only (pre-Turing GPUs are still very common).
Sorry if this was answered elsewhere:
Anyone know if Kepler-based Quadro cards are compatible with FSR? For the purposes of things like RTX Voice (which require "GeForce or better" Nvidia cards), the Quadro K420 is compatible, but I'm a bit doubtful about that extending to FSR.
Anyone know if Kepler-based Quadro cards are compatible with FSR? For the purposes of things like RTX Voice (which require "GeForce or better" Nvidia cards), the Quadro K420 is compatible, but I'm a bit doubtful about that extending to FSR.
Because they don't have unlimited budgets and will have to choose one option.
Although this sounds very funny for a COD game I have to say.
All cards which can run modern games (DX11) are compatible with FSR 1.0.
And what would that accomplish if the only h/w capable of taking advantage of DLSS would still be Nvidia's GPUs?
XeSS will be an interesting test case precisely for that reason - if the DP4A version will be fast enough then it will be a valid option for DLSS as well.
But do note that XeSS XMX won't be "open sourced" and won't run on anything but Intel GPUs. For what are likely the same reasons because of which DLSS isn't "open sourced" - there are no APIs which can make that work.
Oh dear god, i hope they don't remove DLSS out of Vanguard because of FSR, DLSS in COD is a great help to hit 144fps.Call of Duty Vanguard to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) - VideoCardz.com
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution in COD: Vanguard? The Beta of Call of Duty Vanguard, the latest installment in the series, is now available to people who preordered the game. This weekend COD: V will have an open beta for every person willing to test the new game. Currently, it is only now...
Sigh.
Between this and Deathloop FSR is doing exactly what I was afraid of - pushing DLSS out of PC games in favor of a much worse upscaling technique.
But depending on the game, that 20% (equivalent to probably around 40-50 million PC's) is a significant chunk of your PC audience, isn't it?
I mean the games that tend to most benefit from things like DLSS tend to be the most demanding and tend to be looked at by people with higher-end hardware, no?
And also as I understand it, yes DLSS is more time and therefore money to implement than FSR, BUT most of the work is done simply by implementing some type of TAA and the work involved isn't much more on top of that. And MOST games support some type of TAA already.
I don't think the difference is huge between FSR and DLSS in terms of cost to implement. There's a difference,f or sure, but given that most of the work is already being done when implementing TAA I don't think the difference is that large in reality.
Would love to hear form an actual engineer implementing this stuff.
I think the main thing that will need to happen is to have DLSS built into as many popular game engines as possible and hope larger devs with proprietary game engines do the work at some point and just have their games leverage that going forward.
Nice, and thank you! The K420 supports through DX11/12, so that's excellent.