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VRAM in 2020-2024: Why 10GB is enough.
- Thread starter Darktalon
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Imagine a world where gpu utilization could be impacted by other factors
Crysis Remastered suffers from single-thread CPU issues, just like the original game
Crysis is heavily CPU bottlenecked, even on modern-day systems. Unfortunately, Crysis Remastered suffers from the very same CPU optimization issues.
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Isn't the main reason the amount of VRAM on the GTX 3080 not 20GB is because the memory modules with the required density aren't manufactured yet?
Unless I've dramatically misread the situation, I was assuming the only reason the amount of VRAM was so low was because they couldn't get more VRAM without doubling the amount of VRAM chips needed.
Unless I've dramatically misread the situation, I was assuming the only reason the amount of VRAM was so low was because they couldn't get more VRAM without doubling the amount of VRAM chips needed.
They could have put them on both sides of the PCB, just like the 3090. And if the 3080 20GB is true, that is what they will be doing.
But GDDR6X is also expensive, and if 20GB was the default, you would not have $700 as the MSRP. I honestly believe that a 20GB 3080 will be $900.
The Crysis Remaster is a fucking abomination of a "Remaster" and is more akin to a port, having used the X360/PS3 version of Crysis as its basis. Hell, the damn thing is still super reliant on a single CPU thread, which is one of the issues this "Remaster" was supposed to address and didn't actually touch. Its poor performance has zero to do with any allocation of VRAM. It's just shit through and through.
You can see for yourself by visiting our own thread about the game here and seeing literally everyone complaining about performance across all varieties of graphical options. There is hitching and performance drops reported in pretty much every reply.
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Not sure how many of you run multi-monitor. I have a 4k display + a 1440p screen, which will eventually be switched out for 2x4k. In Windows 10, DWM (the desktop window manager) with a series of apps running including browsers and productivity apps, uses over 2GB of VRAM dedicated, plus some shared VRAM. I have 32GB of system RAM so that I can jump in an out of games with all my browsers and editors up. Sometimes, when I've left my PC on for a few days and change resolutions a few times, it goes up to 3GB+ before I start a single game. I've already throttled browser GPU setting to stop them from grabbing too much VRAM, otherwise firefox alone can use 2GB. Those thinking this isn't "real" and games can use all the VRAM they need, try starting Alyx with all this stuff in use, it makes me want to hurl with the stutter.
Now this is with an 8GB card, but I think that having a comfortable multi-monitor setup where I don't need to close every app before playing a game is a good example of why I would prefer to have more than 10GB. I agree that at this time 20GB is going to be expensive and not the best bang for the buck but I wish 16GB had been supported - as far as I can tell, 15GB should be possible (using 1/2 density chips for the back of the board, similar to how you can run 4x8 + 4x4 on a quad channel x99 board to get 48GB at full speed).
Now this is with an 8GB card, but I think that having a comfortable multi-monitor setup where I don't need to close every app before playing a game is a good example of why I would prefer to have more than 10GB. I agree that at this time 20GB is going to be expensive and not the best bang for the buck but I wish 16GB had been supported - as far as I can tell, 15GB should be possible (using 1/2 density chips for the back of the board, similar to how you can run 4x8 + 4x4 on a quad channel x99 board to get 48GB at full speed).
I'm running under the assumption that Nvidia are betting that double capacity chips are substantially cheaper than engineering for double the amount of existing chips.
I'll just wait. I mean, even if 10gigs is 'enough', I cannot warrant going from a 16gig card to a 10gig card. I'll simply wait until something else comes out. I've always bought cards with extra ram since like, the old 9800pro days, because historically I found that it eventually does matter after 2-3 years. My Radeon VII will hold me over unless it decides to finally catch fire sometime soon. I also run two 1440p monitors, and usually have multiple gpu-accelerated applications open at once, so spare vram is useful for me.
GDDR6X was too expensive. The 3090 can get away with it because it's already expensive as hell. The 3070 was locked to 8GB GDDR6 because they couldn't realistically market a 16GB card when the higher end model only had 10GB.
AMD isn't using GDDR6X so they can afford to crank the VRAM without worrying about the marketing optics or cost issues.
Thank you. 10GB seems especially fine for 1440p gaming then.
MSI Afterburner now can show per process VRAM
Good news everyone, MSI Afterburner developer Unwinder saw my thread, and added a way to see per process VRAM in the current beta!
Important Note:
- Install MSI Afterburner 4.6.3 Beta 2 Build 15840 from https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
- Enter the MSI Afterburner settings/properties menu
- Click the monitoring tab (should be 3rd from the left)
- Near the top and next to "Active Hardware Monitoring Graphs" click the "..."
- Click the Checkmark next to "GPU.dll", and hit OK
- Scroll down the list until you see "GPU Dedicated Memory Usage", "GPU Shared Memory Usage", "GPU Dedicated Memory Usage \ Process", "GPU Shared Memory Usage \ Process"
- Pick and choose what you want to be tracked using the checkmarks next to them. "GPU Dedicated Memory Usage \ Process" is the # that most closely reflects the # we find in FS2020 Developer Overlay and Special K (DXGI_Budget, except Unwinder uses D3DKMT api)
- Click show in On-Screen Display, and customize as desired.
- ???
- Profit
Important Note:
-Unwinder
I created a thread over here to specifically discuss MSI Afterburner's new capabilities, this is big news.
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MSI Afterburner can now display per process VRAM!
Nov 17th 2020: Per Process VRAM Monitoring now is supported internally, and works in all games. Install MSI Afterburner 4.6.3 Beta 4 Build 15910 from -MSIAfterburnerSetup463Beta4Build15910.rar']over here. Enter the MSI Afterburner settings/properties menu Click the monitoring tab (should be...
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Now that MSI Afterburner and Special K can both display per process VRAM usage, I'd love to see people posting examples of their games. I haven't been able to get a 3080 yet, so I'm still unable to show examples of cards with more than 6GB of VRAM available.
Obviously it's cause there's a downgradeOh look, watch dogs Legion updated their system requirements, and now that they have 3080 as the recommended card instead of 2080 ti, magically the VRAM spot is now listed as 10 GB.
Lol. Who would've thought?Oh look, watch dogs Legion updated their system requirements, and now that they have 3080 as the recommended card instead of 2080 ti, magically the VRAM spot is now listed as 10 GB.
On a side note, I'm looking forward to when you get your 3080 and make those sweet VRAM tests for us to clear things up and shut up trolls.
Will you do it for us? :)
Yes, I actually already have the 3080, but been really busy. Hopefully gonna be able to crack into it this week.
Any particular game requests?
Yeah, the game would've looked insane if there were 11GBs on 3080.
Will anybody here pay $200 more for 10 extra GBs? Because that's how much it will likely cost. $900 instead of $700.
I very much doubt it. The $700 GPU with 10GB is the sweet spot for the next 2 gens of GPUs. Worst case scenario, you might have to drop internal render a tad, but you will likely reap frame-rate as a reward.
I wish more people thought 10GB was too little, then I could score one maybe :)
I very much doubt it. The $700 GPU with 10GB is the sweet spot for the next 2 gens of GPUs. Worst case scenario, you might have to drop internal render a tad, but you will likely reap frame-rate as a reward.
I wish more people thought 10GB was too little, then I could score one maybe :)
DOOM Eternal and Flight Simulator because of their VRAM hungry fame.
Personally I'd like to see AC:Odyssey and Horizon.
Those first two are boring answers, they both already have developer overlays that tell us haha, but I'll do it so we can compare the new msi afterburner per process option.
I'll see what I can do about all 4, I have em all installed but odyssey I think.
Lmfao are you serious?
edit - it's good to know that 10GB is good enough for us peasants who only run games at 1440p for the forseeable future.
Everything you've got!
I'd love to know how much Watch Dogs 2 takes up but that's one of the games that isn't compatible with Afterburners tools atm
I'm sure some people bought the 3090 because it had extra VRAM. Of course some will pay a couple hundred more to get "peace of mind" memory capacity.
And I can kinda sorta understand it if they're the type of people that plan on keeping graphics cards for 4+ years. But even still, a card in the $700 range will come in another year or two that beats the 3080 with more VRAM. I've gotten caught up in the "paying extra for future-proofing" game before as well, and it rarely works out as well as I'd hoped.
Lol 1440p is absolutely, utterly a joke in 2020.
Imagine paying $700 for a graphics card (so easily $1000+ for the whole build) and then proceed to run games at a resolution so far below what $400/$500 consoles do. It's simply embarrassing.
Why is that? I would much rather have better looking graphics or higher framerates, or RT in 1440p than 4K. For a PC, attached to a monitor at a desk, 4k just seems overkill unless you somehow do desktop computing on some 40" screen which seems ludicrous.
PC gamers tend care about frame rate over resolution and 1440p is the sweet spot for resolution and performance.
I'll take 3440x1440 every single day over 3840x2160.
And I'd take 2560x1440p144hz over 4k60hz every single day too.
Edit: you're the same guy who said you play in 5k-8k all the time and had sli titans.
Normal pc enthusiasts wouldn't say such outrageous things
Edit2: You are literally the Lucille Arrested Development meme
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1440p is fine for PC gaming especially if you're using a monitor on a desk
27" 1440p on the desk looks a lot better/bigger than 65" 4K from a couch so I dunno.
Resolutions are typically more important for a PC gamer who sits like 2-3 ft from their monitor then a console gamer who sits 6-12 ft from their TV.
For example:
2.5' from a 27" monitor corresponds to a horizontal viewing angle of 42.8° and a vertical viewing angle of 24.1°
7' from a 65" TV corresponds to a horizontal viewing angle of 37.3° and a vertical viewing angle of 21.0°
As you can see the 65" TV fills less of your vision in this scenario by quite significant margin, making resolution less important.
I understand that 4K tvs have been out for a while but beware marketing traps!
Judging a game by its pixelcount is not a good idea. You must look at image quality. How's them particles? lighting? Blur? Hair and cloth physics? Environment physics? The list is endless.
1440p is way more than enough.