what if it has nothing to do with rewarding her and she was simply chosen because b*den thinks she will be good at the job
(jk jk we know how political appointments work!)
WaPo: Biden hires all-female senior communications team, names Neera Tanden director of OMB
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what if it has nothing to do with rewarding her and she was simply chosen because b*den thinks she will be good at the job
(jk jk we know how political appointments work!)
Does the senate have to confirm this position? If the last four years are any indication, the executive seems to have rather broad authority to sidestep the senate confirmation process on a variety of positions through the use of acting officials and intentional vacancies. Is the OMB specifically exempt from this tactic?
Hardy har. What do you want me to say that Biden was a great candidate? The person I was replying to implied I thought Trump was a great candidate which is absolutely idiotic. I fucking voted for Biden for fucks sake. Neither option was good
My apologies: you didn't. I made an accidental assumption by generalizing the responses to me. Should have read closer.
Uh he explicitly says in the post above all are excellent picks unless "all" means some different from all of the above people he mentioned but then if he's that precise with language he'd say some or most are excellent picks. He doesn't he says "all".
Trumps skirted that by moving other already appointed positions around as acting. In order to even do that, you have to have at least some positions approved.
Just so we're clear, since you called out online activists contemptuously, you find the issue of how she's handled harassment to be spurious no? I can't think of another reason to not at least engage on the reasons these activists are giving if you find them so contemptuous. Should be easy right?
But a bad person who wouldn't do harm in a position of power shouldn't be in that position. It's not just about pragmatism but also the moral and ethical perspective of doling out political capital that can be used to bolster their power in future elections to people who should not have it.
It was done at a meeting where she was addressing the pervasive culture of sexual harassment at the organization she runs (CAP). In that context it doesn't matter that it was a mistake. Like retaliation for reporting sexual harassment was a massive problem there, so outing the victim is particularly bad even as a mistake. The harm done is the same regardless of intent.
lol I mean, I wouldn't expect anything less from you :p
This is a bit disingenuous? He's obviously referring/replying to people being critical-- his tactic in response is to assuage their fears about her by means of pacifying them with that response.
I'm fairly confident if you or someone else asked directly, "what makes her a good pick," he (and others, though not I) would be able to answer that.
You could read the rest of my post.
I updated my original post but I'll just say it again, Mitch McConnell wasn't blocking candidates based on their perceived ideology and if they were, they're not going to like Neera Tanden.
How is this not disqualifying by itself? Talk about letting a blind person manage a radar system.
The political alignment of the picks are irrelevant to whether McConnel will stall their confirmations. He's going to do that no matter who the pick is. No one should be making decisions based on trying to appease McConnel (to be clear, I don't think Biden is doing that either).
Wake me up when they condemn their own trash, such as Dore, Kulinski, Chapo, etc. Either way I don't hold activists in contempt. I just don't take them very seriously anymore despite sharing their ideologies of where things should be. It's just a lot of noise with no substance imo.
Uh, none of the people you named are activists. Most of those people are comedians/entertainers.
Her place on the political spectrum has no bearing on her being disqualified for being in this position because of how she's handled things in the past. I don't care if she was to the left of AOC on every single issue, she shouldn't be in this position period. There should be consequences for one's actions, these people work for us, not the other way around. We shouldn't go out of our way to figure out how it's okay she's in this position. And that goes for all of these potential members of Biden's administration.
Like haven't the last four years frustrated people with how little consequences matter? And now we're just okay with this because she's nominated by a candidate we voted for?
You absolutely do hold them in contempt despite what you say here. As far as them condemning their own trash, none of those people are being put in a directorial role in a presidential administration so not sure the relevance. It seems like you expect others to do something you're not willing to do yourself?
Like haven't the last four years frustrated people with how little consequences matter? And now we're just okay with this because she's nominated by a candidate we voted for?
You absolutely do hold them in contempt despite what you say here. As far as them condemning their own trash, none of those people are being put in a directorial role in a presidential administration so not sure the relevance. It seems like you expect others to do something you're not willing to do yourself?
I have never listened to a single episode of Chapo Trap House yet supposedly I am meant to apologize for them all the time?
It's almost like leftists are never going to meet a magical standard where centrists and right-wingers finally find them amicable.
It's almost like leftists are never going to meet a magical standard where centrists and right-wingers finally find them amicable.
No, but they are "trolls." However, "online activists" is something of a sardonic, pejorative oxymoron since they don't do much of anything except complain.
Having trash isn't the same as being trash. Likewise, I think people who preach more about morals should be the first to clean their own trash.
I am anti-Neera as she has shown time and time again she has extremely poor judgment. I hope she didn't get confirmed. But she is also better than almost every single one of Obama's initial cabinet picks.
I just want to push back o this idea that she is a Third Way Democrat. When even the most objectionable pick would have been considered too liberal in 2008, there has been a push left as to who Biden is putting in his administration.
I just want to push back o this idea that she is a Third Way Democrat. When even the most objectionable pick would have been considered too liberal in 2008, there has been a push left as to who Biden is putting in his administration.
Why are you shitting up this thread talking about trolls and using pejoratives exactly?
I posted a tweet relevant to the discussion. You responded. We're here now.
Seriously, that's such a derail. If people can't defend Neera on her merits, then they shouldn't post. Anything else is just disruptive.
You and several others are overreacting to her nomination. She's in a position meant to manage the execution of Biden's/Democrat's vision, not her personal views. The main thing she would even personally push for is a public option, something that's already embraced by the guy who won thanks in part to rejecting M4A. As one of the key figures behind the ACA and its public option form, combined with her extensive policy background, she makes a lot of sense.
Contrary to what's being stated in this thread by the usual folks on Era and leftist twitter, she is far from a bad pick on merit.
Robert Reich's statement about the picks is relevant. Your diatribe about random entertainers like Dore and Chapo is completely irrelevant. You brought them up as if they had any relevance to this discussion, not me. Idgaf about any of those people.
Sorry, don't know who Neera is, but I have a question. Will her views, however they may be, actually impact what she does at her job? Does she have any actual say in policy making or anything of the sort? I say this because, I feel like there's this aura around any Biden topic where there's people waiting to shit on everything he does. Of course, if I'm wrong and this is a bad pick for a legitimate reason other than " I don't like her, I don't like Biden, so I'm gonna post about it" then I apologise. I'd just like some context here.
I'm pretty sure my original post included a defense of Neera on her merits by sidelining them as essentially irrelevant to the position.
It was relevant in my response to Eeyore. You chose to respond to it to say it wasn't an equal comparison.
What is the relevance of Trump to this? Regarding Biden as not progressive or an otherwise bad candidate is not tacit support for Trump, and bringing him up is a bad faith argument that should be allowed no allowance on this forum.
Idk, if I was an OMB employee I'd be pretty wary of her ability to handle sexual harassment in the office given the way CAP was run and her response to harassment there.
This is just saying people are wrong for being hypocrites. Which, even if I did listen or watch the people you mentioned, doesn't matter. Joe Biden is the President Elect and is responsible for his picks for his administration. That has nothing to do with Chapo Trap House and you know it. Stop being obtuse, there are so many qualified women that he could pick here that don't have an issue with harassment. No matter where Tanden is on the political spectrum, whether she's 80% to the left of the population or not.
Giving bad people positions of power is not an irrelevant action, because positions of power do not lose relevance after they are done with them. The political capital of being given power can be utilized by Neera so that she may go on to a position that allows her to do harm.
Is it not the case that the OMB falls under the purview of the Executive Office of the President, and therefore it ultimately falls to the Chief of Staff (a non senate-confirmed position) to appoint acting officials in the event of a vacancy? Much in the case of our current chair of council of economic advisors, Tyler Goodspeed and his predecessor, Tomas Philipson, who also fall under the purview of the EOP?
Ok, fine. Jimmy Dore is shit, Chapo Trap House is shit, Kyle Kuklinski is shit. Now that that's over, can we stop with the "but you don't attack your own" line?
I'm not saying they're wrong for being hypocrites. I'm not even saying they're wrong in the absolute - in fact they are potentially right. My point was to highlight an informed opinion. Also, Mitch is in part responsible for the picks in Biden's admin. I don't disagree with the italicized.
It honestly does help.
A poll showing that three years ago there would have been support from a majority of the US population for any number of policies to help people despite a great deal of media coverage demonising said ideas isn't evidence that Neera is further 'left' than 80% of the US populace.
Those polls seem totally accurate when 45% of the country just voted: Fascism? Yes Please!
Yes, the position Tanden is nominated for will allow for her views to impact her job--I think that's a large part of why she is being nominated. The OMB has a lot of different tendrils, so it's likely that parts of it won't really be subject to Tanden as its head, but overall it is an arm of the administration that functions to ensure all the other government organizations are following the president's agenda.
We'll its a good thing its not her job to handle those kinds of situations and can be held accountable if she's ever involved in a situation like that while Director.
Uhh... that second to last statement is definitely stopping me from selecting "All of the above."
EDIT - Also, "Abortion should be legal in some circumstances" is also a statement I disagree with. It should be all circumstances.
As head of the OMB it is absolutely part of her job to be involved in those kinds of situations. She wasn't held accountable the way CAP was run, as evidence by her getting this appointment.
Like I said, I like Reich, I think his YouTube videos educating people on income inequality and other topics are fantastic. I just interpreted that post with his tweet embedded as a cudgel to deflect criticism. I understand that any of the positions that have to go through the confirmation process aren't a given anyway, I just want us to get more from our government. I think we all deserve that, even you, rose Twitter hater!
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