It's a pretty meaningless gesture to just put on record that Congress disapproves of his behavior. Clinton was censured by congress also.
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WaPo: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting
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No, that's not even close to being worse. Racist president being racist is far worse for everyone than anything his critics might have to say about it.
I'm sure the Fox News bumpkins and Russian bots are already flooding comments sections across the internet with uninformed whining about free speech.
No, him making racist comments does not make comparisons to Hitler appropriate.
Him doing all the shit Hitler did to gain power makes comparisons to Hitler appropriate.
Ignoring warning signs and ignoring history isnt a recipe for success. Nobody credible is saying that Trump is comparable to hitler, only that he occasionally uses some similar strategies.
PR people at the WH should be oaid more, such a hard job...
Trump should copy french president and send to his supporters "howto" to explain how to refute arguments against him in family meetings :)
From experience, you don't try... :/
Trump should copy french president and send to his supporters "howto" to explain how to refute arguments against him in family meetings :)
Great read. A lot of these points are talked about in this great Borders video from Vox. Some things are even expanded upon like how the French overworked the land and left it barren which the effects are visible even today.
WTF? How is reasonably comparing the President's similarities to Hitler worse than the President being a full-blown racist? Jesus, some people seriously need a filter between their brain and their keyboards.
I'm mixed race. One of my parents is caucasian and the other is not.
Both born and raised in different countries.
Only based on that description, my parents skin color, can you guess wich one your president consider to be from a shithole country? Take a good guess.
This brought me close to tears. It's sad that this kind of discrimination and injustice is allowed to continue just right next to us, and shithole President has the nerve to add insult to injury by insulting these poor people and their country. Fuck him and fuck anyone that tries to defend his shitty racist attitude.
"The only thing worse than acting like a racist is being called a racist."
"No, the president of the US calling a country he doesn't like a shit hole does not suddenly turn the US into Nazi Germany."
If only he had stopped at calling a *single* country a shithole. But no, he said that about an entire continent of countries. A continent large enough to contain the landmasses of the US, China, India, Japan, several of the largest Western European countries and most of Eastern Europe.
If only he had stopped at calling a *single* country a shithole. But no, he said that about an entire continent of countries. A continent large enough to contain the landmasses of the US, China, India, Japan, several of the largest Western European countries and most of Eastern Europe.
Can anybody explain to me why the race aspect is highlighted and not the blatant attack on poor countries for being poor? He, in my view, is saying that he doesn't understand why poor people come to the US. Which, to me, shows that he doesn't understand how economics work.
The only way you could argue that it is, in fact, racism is when you consider him also talking about highly skilled migration. Which he does not do from what I've read? Is it just the US's focus on race instead of class?
The only way you could argue that it is, in fact, racism is when you consider him also talking about highly skilled migration. Which he does not do from what I've read? Is it just the US's focus on race instead of class?
It's sad to me that the line for some people is "he personally insulted me". But it's good that that line exists
That's how it is with a lot of conservative minorities. I'm sure his parents were nodding their heads in agreement when he was disparaging Hispanics, when the ban of Trans soldiers happpened, the Muslim and Arab bans happened, and they didn't give a fuck cause it wasn't their people.
I'm glad they had a change of heart, though. Hopefully they'll do something constructive with that anger, like not voting for a bigot next time around.
Except he didn't say that, he straight up called Africa and other South American Countries shitholes and suggested that people from white countries like Norway be allowed in instead. That bias is what can be considered racist because only a racist would even suggest something as ridiculous as that.
oh just now?
What's their excuse for all the other shit he's said and done lifetime to date?
Because he didn't say he didn't want poor people. He said he didn't want people from these nations predominantly populated by brown bodies.
There are lots of poor people from Norway, Japan, China, Korea, Israel, western Europe especially, and so on that come here. He didn't mention those. He has no history of mentioning those with a desire to reduce their presence here. What he does have a history of is attacking people with brown bodies and the places from which the come. You shouldn't need any help doing that rather simple math.
I can flip your argument, which means it is not a good explanation (nations predominantly populated by poor people). I mean the chance he wouldn't care about fe. Hungarians or w/e coming is quite big seeing the sentiment in the alt-right but it is interesting to see how one possible interpretation gets much more traction than the other. Shithole as a term very much so references their economic situation.
With my biggest issue is that him not being racist would help out the people he criticized but not being an economical bully and blame them for what basically is imposed long-term poverty would help them even more. Both needed.
This guy was banned but in case anyone thinks this was a salient point....
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ttesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.html
There is? Geniously curious about this...
I can see the appeal of the USA for people that can find good (and well-paid) jobs there, and I could see myself doing the jump because of opportunities, even if USA as a country wouldn't be my first choice, but for poor people, that seems a bit of a stretch. I'm under the feeling that if you're poor, many of the countries in the list are providing more help, such as universal health care. Far from perfect, but what would be the incensitive to move (beside family reasons)?
Besides, US never wanted poor immigrants from Europe... At the beginning of XXth century, the immigration rules, such as litteracy tests, were designed to avoid this kind of immigrants. I definitively won't say they're alone in wanting wealthy and educated immigrants and not poor ones, that's basically universal.
Oh please... She can save those crocodile tears if they mean that she still doesn't believe that Trump Supporters are alt-right racists.
Because his comment didn't happen in a vacuum, the comment was part of an ongoing pattern of racist remarks. Just a few weeks ago he reportedly said all Haitians have AIDS and Nigerians live in huts. Yesterday this was reported: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-history-breaking-decorum-remarks-race-ethnicity-n837181
And that's just recently. It would literally take me days to collect all the instances of him saying racist shit. I'm not sure how anybody at this point can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Well, my uncle is arguing that they are corrupt countries; and calling them that is just the truth.
I wish there was a website dedicated to arguing against these kinds of things. Snopes comes the closest.
People from shithole countries are exactly who we should want to immigrate here unless you are a racist who believes other countries are shitholes because there is something intrinsically wrong or inferior about the people who occupy them. Trump's comment pretty unambiguously lives in the latter territory.
That's if you see immigration as a humane gesture or long-term investment.
If you handle the country as a company, even without any racism involved, you'll want to get rich people and with a higher education*, because you'll introduce more money in your economy and improve immediately your workforce. And at the same time making the "opponent" countries poorer and with a diminished workforce.
Any company will try to grab investors and skilled employes from other companies.
So I don't think it's a proof of racism, it can just be blatant (short-sighted) liberal doctrine.
Though in this case, I strongly doubt it's the only reason (Trump being a businessman, I still think that's part of the equation, though).
* I don't have a doubt there's people with higher education in all countries, but it's easier to produce them in richer countries where either people or the state itself have the money to pay for the education... So things are harder in poor countries. I'm lucky that I was *paid* to study, because my country can afford it so that it gets a research/teaching workforce, but I see this as a luxury...
America is corrupt, start there. There is plenty of history to find with American corruption.
Nigerian immigrants that we let in tend to have better results than any other minority. We tend to take in mostly the best from any given country. Try again.
That doesn't work with these people. America is perfect, the Founding Fathers were perfect, America has had no human rights or civil rights issues or any racist issues since the 60s, America is better and more advanced and has more freedom than any other country, anything wrong or corrupt that America has done will have some alternate reason that presents it as America protecting itself or growing as a country or was necessary to do to maintain the country's values
I didn't say anything about the virtue or non-virtue of a merit-based immigration policy, just that people from countries they, themselves, do not want to live in are perfect candidates for immigration. Assuming immigrants must be undesirable because they come from a dysfunctional country is fucking racist.
Then don't bother, if one believes that America is not corrupt, there is no chance getting to them. Just listen politely and nod.
First, it's not my take on the question. And honestly, what's basically attracting those people from all over the world is something I really don't feel at ease with.
The question may be whether we're talking about people who want to enter or people who actually enter (since basically the immigration policy Trump want is already partly in effect).
That being said, Nigeria is a bit of a special case. As far as I know, they have a great take on education, investing a lot of money into it... Kudos to them. It's also not really among the poor african countries. You could argue that the targeted countries aren't Nigeria.
Though in this case, I don't have much doubt that many in the White House don't really see the vastly different situations in Africa...
I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of Nigerian students where I work. I don't think we have one currently (we have a norvegian, though ^_^ )
When I think he couldn't do anything any more stupid.. he actually does it!
What a racist piece of shit. he's essentially said;
"We don't want these coloured people from this/these shithole countries, instead we want these white people from this affluent country"
What a colossal moron.
What a racist piece of shit. he's essentially said;
"We don't want these coloured people from this/these shithole countries, instead we want these white people from this affluent country"
What a colossal moron.
It goes further than just Nigeria, though it is among the top. Muslim immigrants tend to perform on par with the rest of the population in the United States regardless of country of origin. Pretty much everyone we let in does well and helps the economy with current standards of immigration. Doesn't matter where they come from, if they meet our current standards of immigration they do well. On the contrary, capable people are more likely to move away from a country in dire straits than one doing reasonably well. Our immigration system isn't "charity".
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/us/politics/david-perdue-trump-shithole.html
G.O.P. Senator Says Trump Didn't Use Vulgarity for Haiti and African Nations
G.O.P. Senator Says Trump Didn't Use Vulgarity for Haiti and African Nations
The way Republicans are taking cues from Trump in reality distortion is freaking me out. Lindsey Graham was at the meeting and he confirmed the remarks days ago. I guess that doesn't matter.
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With current rules, I don't doubt it... In fact, it's probably harder for Muslim countries, so they even need to be better.
About Nigeria, I just think they're doing great in education matters (as far as I can tell), unrelated to the current question.
Well... that's precisely my point, and I'm not sure that I'm at ease with that. Though I guess it can't be helped.