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Warning: Don't leave negative comments in Mario Maker 2, you could get banned.
- Thread starter Lant_War
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I swear. Its not even constructive. Its a throwaway, shit comment that could have been kept to yourself. Its just being an asshole knowing full well that it could be a child that was playing around and made a level for fun. Instead of offering tips so that person could make better levels in the future, making the game itself better, someone instead chose to leave a verbal turd of a comment thats objectively to me worse than the level itself.
Man some of the posts in this thread. If you put a level out into the world, expect it to be critiqued. It's not like someone told the creator to quit or to kill themselves, they said the level was "pretty bad".
Kids play Fortnite and Minecraft. You gonna ban people for saying "you're not very good at this game" too?
Kids play Fortnite and Minecraft. You gonna ban people for saying "you're not very good at this game" too?
So does getting banned prevent you from accessing your digital library and buying new games?
If not then whatever but if yes Nintendo should invest in better moderation tools if they want to control their environment that tightly.
Restrict a users access to commenting but banning over a fairly plain comment is overkill.
I think some of you are using "toxic" too liberally. To claim eve the "boo" button is toxic like wut... Kids can handle people not liking their things.
If not then whatever but if yes Nintendo should invest in better moderation tools if they want to control their environment that tightly.
Restrict a users access to commenting but banning over a fairly plain comment is overkill.
I think some of you are using "toxic" too liberally. To claim eve the "boo" button is toxic like wut... Kids can handle people not liking their things.
I totally sympathize with this approach, and yet... Nintendo put in an option to leave comments. They have to share some of the responsibility. Either remove that option and simply put in a like button, or let parents monitor this stuff. Or give the level creators the option of whether or not they want to allow comments on their levels.
I was joking about how pointless and rude it is to put people (kids especially) down for their hobbies
So then we should still blame Nintendo and add this to the pile of unexplainded moderation practices. If they want to only allow certain feedback then they should have implented a system that only allows positive feedback from the start. Exactly like they've already done with other ventures.
And that's if we take your "isnt the place to critique" comment at face value. It's factually false because its contradicts the system currently implemented.
Yeah it's absurd that people defend this decision but I'm not really surprised.
Yeah, complaining about the "boo" button was really surprising to me. I am a parent, i know the value of not having my kids being dunked by internet weirdoes so i dont really care about the comment stuff in question, but the boo button is mostly for curation purposes. People can't even see it. Why the hell would you be against it? People are never allowed to dislike anything ever? The poor kids poured their souls into putting a single item in this map so you need to see all of them so you won't hurt their feelings (despite them never even knowing who you are or if you ever saw and booed their level)? Jesus christ you people
Kids aren't prone to crying way more than adults thse days? When did that leap in evolution take place?
I think criticism is healthy for children but come on... We as adults should practice as much tact as possible that 78 characters allows.
Malisimo is correct, if not straight up mierda.
Nintendo basically encourages shitty levels with this game. You should have to get a level making license, and have a rating, like in Gran Turismo Sport.
Nintendo basically encourages shitty levels with this game. You should have to get a level making license, and have a rating, like in Gran Turismo Sport.
There are thousands of levels to play and you have the option to boo when you dislike.
so, if you won't leave a constructive comment, why allow people just insult people trying to do their best making levels?
so, if you won't leave a constructive comment, why allow people just insult people trying to do their best making levels?
Austin (LastGreyWolf) from the NLSS got his Nintendo name banned? Damn.
He is not LGW anymore though. But yeah. He has some different name now, and everything works, but dumb is a forbidden word I guess
I don't leave comments but I do Boo the shitty levels and there's a lot of shitty levels. I don't care if your level is named "My first level, by jack age 7", it's getting a Boo if it sucks. It's the only way they learn.
As others have pointed out "malísimo" is indeed closer to "really bad" or "horrible" than just "pretty bad".
However I do think it's weird that Nintendo would threaten to ban someone's online account for this. Regardless of whether or not you think the guy was being an asshole (I don't play MM2, maybe it is really obvious when someone tried hard on a level vs when they're just trolling), there's quite a number of options for Nintendo between saying "don't leave useless negative comments" and "we may ban your entire online account next time". Perhaps Nintendo could implement a better feedback system that protects vulnerable creators more or is more geared toward positive/constructive comments, or I wouldn't even necessarily mind them fully taking away a repeat offender's ability to comment on levels in MM2 without impacting their entire account.
Also I understand where people are coming from with "if you're toxic in one game you're probably toxic in all games", but this is where I think it's important to distinguish between straight up hate/bigotry and more general assholery like this.
However I do think it's weird that Nintendo would threaten to ban someone's online account for this. Regardless of whether or not you think the guy was being an asshole (I don't play MM2, maybe it is really obvious when someone tried hard on a level vs when they're just trolling), there's quite a number of options for Nintendo between saying "don't leave useless negative comments" and "we may ban your entire online account next time". Perhaps Nintendo could implement a better feedback system that protects vulnerable creators more or is more geared toward positive/constructive comments, or I wouldn't even necessarily mind them fully taking away a repeat offender's ability to comment on levels in MM2 without impacting their entire account.
Also I understand where people are coming from with "if you're toxic in one game you're probably toxic in all games", but this is where I think it's important to distinguish between straight up hate/bigotry and more general assholery like this.
I agree with this.
Also, negative criticism without construction is no different than a flat out insult. I have no problem with the mod's ruling in this case.
I typed "lame" on the Arby's level and got a strike on my account for "bullying". Arby's must have someone scouring the comments for anything negative... fuck Arby's lol
Why get angry at Nintendo when it's just easier to say nice things on Mario Maker?
The moderation policy seems to be clear to me: Don't be mean. Doesn't seem to hard to stick to.
Some people are just so desperate to be a downer and ruin some kid's day
Just to be clear (and perhaps that wasn't directed at me specifically), I'm not getting angry with Nintendo. I was just offering feedback on the topic.
But as clear as the policy itself is the fact that mean and critical aren't the same thing.
They often are in online culture
People can't be bothered to write.more that a few words and tends toward the simplest short hand.
The format itself is not conductive to criticsm as evidenced by how poor twitter is at for communication and discussion amd that platform allows for far more characters.
if I would fault Nintendo on one thing it's not.being more clear about how they want the comments system to function.. but I guess limiting it too much would induce the usual backlash of "nintendo doesn't get online" rhetoric and produce bad pr.
I mean thats exactly whats happening right now with this incident. There are far better ways to handle this than banning people for innocuous comments such as "you made a very bad level", and nearly every other platform and developer has found ways to handle this without resorting to bans (in addition to as you mentioned being much more clear about what constitutes a ban).
Today adult gamers are getting mad at Nintendo for not allowing them to shit on some 8 year old's Mario course.
Not on the same level and as evidenced here and the paralell thread in Reddit there is more understanding as to why the warning was sent
Yeah, I immediately thought of that as well. Again, they maybe should consider leaving it up to the level creator as to whether or not allowing comments on their levels.
You see it with Pokémon all the time. A lot of people just can't understand that they are not the center of the universe and everything isn't made just for them.
Don't much get the idea where people believe children are so fragile they can't endure the slightest iota of criticism, constructive or otherwise.
Kids are incredibly resilient, and it's at precisely their age that they should be beginning to recognize and be taught that the world won't be at all considerate to their feelings. It will be harsh and cruel. They're going to encounter negativity everywhere they go, especially the Internet, and they should begin learning and practicing taking responsibility in how they react to it instead of expecting everyone else to act around them. To not do that is only crippling them when they grow up.
Kids are incredibly resilient, and it's at precisely their age that they should be beginning to recognize and be taught that the world won't be at all considerate to their feelings. It will be harsh and cruel. They're going to encounter negativity everywhere they go, especially the Internet, and they should begin learning and practicing taking responsibility in how they react to it instead of expecting everyone else to act around them. To not do that is only crippling them when they grow up.
Yea, it kind of is. "This sucks", "This is very bad", "this is mediocre" are insults to someone's work not criticism.
"Pacing the level better would make for a better game loop for your next level" is constructive criticism that doesn't insult someone. Instead, it suggests what they could do better. That's useful.
"This is really bad" may be inconsiderate, but is not an insult.
I remember once when I was a child, for a redaction I did for the school I received just a "Very bad", is something I did lazily the last day. I was fine, I didn't received any emotional scar from it.
Is OK to protect children, is not OK take innocuous negative comments and made them into some kind of personal insult.