We should give people like Milo a platform, Says Jaffe; not doing so is ruining the country. Defends himself with NPC memes.
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Now I was personally pleased to have them banned and the ban did hit their finances too. But the people didn't just go away.
That panel also goes against Captain America's character. He doesnt give Nazis any leeway.
You are not calling out anything, you are manipulating my words so that other people think i said something i didn't.
Racism, anti-Semitism, transphobia... These things are not only present in oblique actions. They don't require intent. They're coded in our language and people need to understand that the choices they make and the things they say oppress some people and benefit others.
Saying that Milo deserves to have his voice be heard, to me, signals that we should treat him the same way we treat anybody else. We should treat oppressors the same way we treat the oppressed. People hide behind a false fairness with this kind of argument. "I want everyone to be treated equal, how can that be wrong?" That kind of thing. But, by standing up for Milo in this way, a choice has ALREADY BEEN MADE. Jaffe has the privilege of not being threatened by Milo's words, not in the same way that those who fear him are.
When I see takes like this, it just bums me out because I feel like people are more willing to stand up for evil (in the name of false-fairness) over, well, me.
Saying that Milo deserves to have his voice be heard, to me, signals that we should treat him the same way we treat anybody else. We should treat oppressors the same way we treat the oppressed. People hide behind a false fairness with this kind of argument. "I want everyone to be treated equal, how can that be wrong?" That kind of thing. But, by standing up for Milo in this way, a choice has ALREADY BEEN MADE. Jaffe has the privilege of not being threatened by Milo's words, not in the same way that those who fear him are.
When I see takes like this, it just bums me out because I feel like people are more willing to stand up for evil (in the name of false-fairness) over, well, me.
You're calling on moderation to CENSOR people you don't like for SLANDER? Sounds like you're no friend of the bastion of free speech Milo
Would you like to go over how deplatforming worked out for Alex Jones, the daily stormer, the second attempt at charlottesville, Richard Spencer and others? no the ideas and people don't just go away, that's not what deplatforming does. It vastly reduces their reach and influence in the majority of cases.
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I had the same discussion with someone who wanted to not ban Alex Jones so everything they said could be front and center and not hidden away on the web. I think the logic was it was better to know what they were saying than having their hate breed underground because that'll only make them stronger. I explained to him that they've gotten stronger because they've been given a platform unfettered by these companies, and when you have even the president endorsing you on your show, the conspiracy theorists/white supremacists/neo-nazis getting sunlight only allows them to grow.
Happy ending: he came around to my view once Twitter finally banned Alex Jones and a little time had passed.
Yes, I use ResetEra to find news as quick as possible, not to comment. You seem to be under the delusion that to have an opinion on this site you need to have been commenting daily on every thread. This thread is very polarizing and I wanted to give my opinion. What you're doing is manipulation and calumny. Go back to your immature life and please let people who want to have a respectful discussion do so without manipulating other people's words.
Being provided with a public platform is not an individual right full stop. Certain views shouldn't be facilitated. The ideal of freedom of speech with constraints, is an aspiration but should not be in any way removed from the actual conditions of existence. it only really holds if we live in a society where by far the majority of people have strong critical faculties, knowledge and hold decent views about the good of their fellow human and other creatures. We are far from being there.
You still haven't fully answered to why a privately owned company must allow hate speech.
You. Are. Defending. A. Pedophile's. Right. To. Defend. Pedophilia. Publicly.
You are transparent as fuck and doing yourself no favors by refusing to actually engage in any of the arguments people have put forth and instead focus entirely on how "unfair" people are being to you, while being hilarious about asking mods to step in and do something when your opening post here was pretty much "mods don't ban me for shitposting".
If your opinion is "people that wish to see a race of people gone from the planet deserves a platform" then you are a bad person.
Nah I called out the bs that you were saying while you were stanning for milo's right to a platform. Speaking of that platform, or rather, the one he used to have and how he used it. Since you brought up defamation, let's go back over the part where Milo photoshopped an incredibly racist image of Leslie Jones, showed it to his followers, which led to days of targeted harassment. You know, the thing that got him banned in the first place.
Surely you have some things to say about his use of his platform because this is one of many things that's been shown ITT?
I'm a staunch defender of free speech. Just not when it makes me look like an asshole - Linkdevivo
Not sure why this dishonest troll is still here shitting up this thread.
You see, there's a difference between free speech and SLANDER and DEFAMATION which under oath are literal CRIMES. Take a look at the constitution. It's no longer just free speech when i LIE that someone said something when they didn't. Manipulation of words falls under that category. It's called LIBEL.
To be fair, there's nothing I've seen to indicate Milo is actually a pedophile. Not that it makes him any less of a worthless person.
Jaffe is a bit dense...
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others." --Thomas Jefferson to I. Tiffany, 1819
Milo and all the rest of his Alt-Right, GamerGate, NeoNazi ilk frame all the shit they spew around directly or indirectly limiting the equal rights of others. We are completely within our legal right to ignore and supress their toxic nonsense.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others." --Thomas Jefferson to I. Tiffany, 1819
Milo and all the rest of his Alt-Right, GamerGate, NeoNazi ilk frame all the shit they spew around directly or indirectly limiting the equal rights of others. We are completely within our legal right to ignore and supress their toxic nonsense.
At least you didn't use the reply function to make it look like i really said those words like the other 2 assholes. Thanks i guess.
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Uh, he explicitly defended the right of pedophiles to help young men "find their sexual awakening".
As a person who actually practices stand-up comedy (I have for 6 years) I will gladly say you are unquestionably wrong in your positions here.
First and foremost, your freedom of speech protects you only from the Government. I am a huge fan of comedian Lenny Bruce, who was unquestionably the most offensive comic of his time (and likely still holds a place on the throne to this day). However, he was a legitimate victim when it comes to having your rights infringed, and he continued to fight for freedom of speech. The Government tried to shut him down, and it ultimately cost him his life.
On the other hand, freedom of speech does *not* protect you on private platforms. A private platform is not a part of a Government entity, and therefore is not subject to freedom of speech. Twitter, Era, and even television, are not covered by freedom of speech.
If I say something stupid and offensive at an open mic or comedy show, people are perfectly within their rights to speak up and deplatform / protest / whatever. That is their right, as is mine to say awful things. However, if you are upset that there are more people in opposition to the awful things said, and as a consequence they "drown them out"...then you are inherently misunderstanding how free speech works. Arguing that anyone "needs to be heard" is in direct opposition to freedom of speech, because it argues that some need to be silenced for others to be heard.
Saying that people are "weak or fragile" because they don't like something they heard is absurd. Particularly when most people who use those talking points are in fact the most fragile of them all, and often respond in anger and rage.
you do realize that you are defending
milo "gay rights have made us dumber, it's time to get back in the closet" yiannopoulos
milo "never feel bad for mocking a transgender person" yiannopoulos
milo "no one is trans, it's a brain disease" yiannopoulos
milo "When you were twenty-five, when you were thirty, you will have seen girls at fifteen you thought were hot, of course, you did" yiannopoulos
with the rationale of "not everyone agrees on what is offensive"
like, anyone who believes the above should not be considered offensive, that it should be allowed a platform because freeze peach, is not someone we should listen to
Ok good so you agree that Milo should've been banned from twitter then when he posted this photoshop to twitter so that his followers would harass Leslie Jones. As that's by your own definition of free speech, not actual free speech.
Thanks for clearing that up and goodbye.
Condescendingly says 'we like to use facts' then links to a Mashable opinion piece. Sigh...
Milo disappeared for a long time after that embarrassing interview he had with Bill Maher and then when he defended some dude who pretty much molested him when he was underage. By the time he resurfaced with some stupid over the top party stream people just stopped caring. Deplatforming him honestly just makes more people pay attention to him. I don't like the guy at all, but I'd let him speak and argue that he is a imbecile.
Milo is literally in debt after being deplatformed everywhere and after his rich benefactor died. Note, when you say "let him speak" you're saying "i'm personally not one of the people who he targets, so I don't care. I care more about him being able to harass people than the actual people he's harassing." The whole "it only makes him stronger" thing doesn't make sense in practice.
I've heard very little from Milo since he was deplatformed and now he's $2 million in-debt.
You're right your comment on the TGA's BotW reveal was really subversive!
Ah, I see Jaffe is a fellow Intellectual! Yes. I do not agree with your opinion, sir, but I respect it! Indeed, I do. Now tell me... what to do about these pesky females and the colored?! Do not censor me, sir, for I am merely stating my opinion! I respectfully disagree. Anyway, thank you for proving my point. Yes, I am Very Smart!
Libel, slander, and defamation aren't mentioned in the American Constitution. There was actually serious political debate in the early 19th century when libel laws were enacted because the opponents of those laws considered them unconstitutional. Thankfully, common sense prevailed here.
Milo has been heard, and what you are seeing now is people roundly rejecting his bullshit. We heard him, he's an asshole, now people are done with him. I just hate the victimization that people like Milo seem to thrive on. Milo had more of a platform than a dummy like that deserves.
The problem with this thinking is that you have to assume that the person has a genuine interest in actual knowledge or learning.
Ok good so you agree that Milo should've been banned from twitter then when he posted this photoshop to twitter so that his followers would harass Leslie Jones. As that's by your own definition of free speech, not actual free speech.
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If he did do that then he should be banned 100%. He should be sued too for LIBEL. But that's not what i'm discussing. But you sir, are doing exactly the same to me. It's shameful. Way to contradict your own opinions by saying he should be banned for libel and then doing it to me. We have a genius over here
I don't know why you think your opinion is worth trotting out when you get the basics wrong. Dude is 2 mill in debt because everyone stopped giving a shit about him including all his financiers.
so, while we're being honest, I think deplatforming is working as intended.