Uh, you understand that blocking out all outside influences is actually a bad thing, right?
What can God of War teach Final Fantasy devs?
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Neither do Team Ico games but those still vastly outclass the cinematography of the majority of Japanese titles.
The game's literally been out for a week and so far we've reached the point of parody when it comes to "Should x learn from god of war?!" A couple of days ago it was "Halo needs a god of war style reboot." and "God of war is the most radical and bold change to a series ever." and it's literally people making threads from stream of consciousness thoughts while playing or thinking about the game. Like, especially this part:
Like, you'd have to COMPLETELY ignore FF's history and its context in the gaming industry to ever reach this conclusion.
Oh. I interpreted that completely differently. My bad.
I get that. And I definitely agree with you to that extent. But whether or not people on this board are going overboard with it, that does not take away from the fact that there are lessons Square could draw from GOW from a storytelling perspective.
There really aren't. Starting with the fact that a FF has four playable characters. That's a completely different dynamic that requires completely different thinking.
A few years ago I would have thought God of War being a better action RPG than FFXV would be parody too, but here we are.
God of war isn't an RPG, it has RPG lite mechanics that are slightly expanded from the serie's previous attempt at RPG lite mechanics.
I'd prefer they learn from their past games which had some of the best games of all time and not take anything from God of War. From what I've played of GoW so far, it almost feels like an Ubisoft game. I don't think a game could be described more harshly than that.
If you're going to try and make some case that one game is an RPG and the other isn't when they both have the same features (skill trees, equipment etc) then please spare me. There is literally nothing in FFXV that makes it more qualified to be an RPG than God of War.
Man the last few days have not been kind to Final Fantasy XV here on Era in terms of threads. It's annoying actually.
Either way, all these "How can God of War..." threads are giving me less of a desire to play the game. And I freaking bought the Collector's Edition too.
Either way, all these "How can God of War..." threads are giving me less of a desire to play the game. And I freaking bought the Collector's Edition too.
I kept comparing God of War to Final Fantasy XV in my head actually, and I thought I was the only one. But it's basically the only other series that is fantasy pushing absolute top tier AAA graphics. I don't think SQEX would have any problems making environments and exploration like there is in God of War. I honestly think what FFXV pulled off may have been more challenging, with so much more open environments filled with NPCs and roaming monsters. SQEX could make a super impressive linear game if fans would let them, and not criticize linearity into the ground.
I do think SQEX could learn from God of War a few tricks to highlight cinematic battles in an action setting. And I think they could be reminded to add in light, fun puzzles throughout the game. XV could have had puzzles built around warping, but no.
Then the big thing is SQEX still just has a ways to go in terms of action gameplay and controls.
I do think SQEX could learn from God of War a few tricks to highlight cinematic battles in an action setting. And I think they could be reminded to add in light, fun puzzles throughout the game. XV could have had puzzles built around warping, but no.
Then the big thing is SQEX still just has a ways to go in terms of action gameplay and controls.
I am more an authority than you considering I have beaten the game and you are halfway through it.
I don't even know if you understand what grand scale is at this point. I am not saying that the game is a beat for beat match of the other God of War games. I am saying that it still has a grand scale. You don't need war and revenge stories to have a grand scale. I don't even know why you are bringing this up. Yes there is a boy with you, and he asks to be told stories. You tell him stories while rowing on a lake that dropped several hundred feet because a snake the size of the world rose out of it and spoke to you. Is that small scale? I guess it is because the snake isn't swearing revenge on the gods?
Oh wait, HE IS. I guess we can check that box off?
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Stats matter way more in FFXV than they do in God of War and that includes the amount of factors to consider. Also note, even the actual website and developers don't classify the game as an action rpg.
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Do you know what epic means? Do you know what an epic is? It's a huge story involving huge heroic deeds of large importance. The themes of the story are vast and dealing with something grand. Revenge against beings as important as gods that involve the destruction of the entire world and society would be a part of that. A deeply personal story between a father and his son is not epic. GoW is not epic making. The previous games were going for that epic tone. This is smaller scale. It is not going for the some tone or style at all.
But I guess you're the authority.
I agree.. I remember how much in Final Fantasy X the lore of the world was built into the story. An underlying part of the narrative was Tidus learning about Spira from the perspective of a tourist. It was a great method of exposition allowing characters to explain the rules, history and politics of the world. The game also had Mi'hen who was a little historian who told you great lore dumps.
Final Fantasy XV had those little books on Astrals which were so sparse and thinly detailed. On top of that, what really hurt is you could see just how much potential there was in lore-building that game! The politics and history of Eos, the religions, the meteorologic events that shaped the landscape, the various creatures, the dungeons and palaces... it seems like it's all so ripe to be explained.
I remember playing Horizon later that year and realizing just how well you could explain a beautifully build world using a variety of lore delivery methods. Had it not been for the scrolls, conversations, flowers, artifacts, holo-memories and recordings that world would feel very much like- well like Eos does.
Phantom I know you have excellent taste so I will definitely give it another shot. I might have just got overwhelmed but that happened to me with BoTW as well and I adore that game now.
Chapter 13 of FFXV was explicitly influenced by The Last of Us (Tabata mentioned it in pre-release interviews), and was abysmal. Granted, that's just Tabata, but yeah, no thanks.
... The initial, faked Nomura FFXV reveal trailer (of which nothing made it into the released game) had some serious GoW influence funnily enough (hanging on to moving, colossal items, etc).
I'd prefer the FF devs to draw from more relevant sources though, like DQ, SMT, or other RPGs that are currently releasing quality titles.
... The initial, faked Nomura FFXV reveal trailer (of which nothing made it into the released game) had some serious GoW influence funnily enough (hanging on to moving, colossal items, etc).
I'd prefer the FF devs to draw from more relevant sources though, like DQ, SMT, or other RPGs that are currently releasing quality titles.
Just talked to Kratos...
He wanted to know if the Internet more so Reset Era can step off of his jock err.. loin cloth/animal skin if possible. It's chaffing a bit.
He specially stated that this is nothing new just the outcome of quality devs putting forth a quality product.
That is all.
Completely joking.
He wanted to know if the Internet more so Reset Era can step off of his jock err.. loin cloth/animal skin if possible. It's chaffing a bit.
He specially stated that this is nothing new just the outcome of quality devs putting forth a quality product.
That is all.
Completely joking.
Well thank you for the kind words! ^_^
I hope you like Xenoblade 2. I think it is a good game, but it is terrible at easing players in, and yes, that can totally overwhelm them at first (I dropped it around when you did for a month and a half myself). The one advice I will give you is to ignore most side quests. They're pretty bad, and you can go the entire game without engaging in them. Later on in the game, a mechanic unlocks where you can send reserve blades in your roster out to complete side quests for you in the background, use that to gain the money and EXP from them instead.
I definitely think my perfect Final Fantasy game could learn a lot from God of War. I really don't consider open world necessary at all, and if they made a linear game in the fashion of God of War, where the areas were a little larger, it'd be pretty perfect. And it doesn't have to be one shot, so they can break it into zones if they need to. That way you have towns and a variety of areas. That along with some puzzles, cinematic battles, and set-pieces, would be amazing. I thought FFXV would've benefited a lot from taking a more linear approach by breaking its world into separate zones. Smaller and more compact areas with more variety which allows them to focus on telling the story.
Uhh ok but..... I never said anything about epic. That wasn't what I quoted or what you have been going back and forth with me about.
They added datalogs/almanacs/monoliths/etc. all around the world in the Royal/Windows Edition and character dossiers in the March patch, btw.
Ive been talking about the story. The first post you quoted was about the story.
I don't wait FF to have a god of war feel or a witcher 3 feel or whatever game people seem to think is crazy good, I want square make the next FF however they please.
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