Was there ever rules stipulating that you can't mod the color of a character skin to whatever one wishes? (Genuinely curious)
Probably not. I don't think anyone's trying to play the lawyer here and argue whether or not it breaks the site's rules.
Was there ever rules stipulating that you can't mod the color of a character skin to whatever one wishes? (Genuinely curious)
I don't have a problem with this, let people play how they want, move on.
I am completely new to the modding scene. I didn't know if there was community imposed rules or guidelines. :)Probably not. I don't think anyone's trying to play the lawyer here and argue whether or not it breaks the site's rules.
Remember when we had the thread where people thought Clementine from a Walking Dead wasn't black because she didn't "look black"
It's the same kind of ignorance that has people say they find an entire race unattractive
Did you even read the post you're replying to?Do nude mods classify as sexist because they only exist to sexualize women in most cases? Should we ban those too?
But...there's a clear picture of Clem's family (Parents I mean) in game though?
The entire point of this thread is that the mod, itself, is the racist message.
Man, I wish you really could customize Link like that.Meh, let people make what they want, there's even black Link mods for BotW.
There is nothing racist about that statement. Dark skin isn't his type, he finds white skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes more attractive.
Yes, and nude mods are sexist, sex mods that change the sexuality of a character is sexist, etc. etc. etc.
I know what you're arguing, I just don't think it's realistic to put any sort of social effort to expunge it. Preferences will always exist, and if you want to attack someone for what they prefer in private use, good luck man. That's thought crime territory.
Attack someone for what they do to you. Not what they do in their room. If they keep it to themselves, who gives a crap. The public availability of a simple texture swap mod like this is not problematic enough to start some sort of campaign. If you feel otherwise go ahead and start up the twitter hashtag. Let's see where that effort goes.
Read my post again because you clearly didn't the first time. Like I said, the vast majority of people ITT have not asked for this stuff to be banned. It's just pointing attention to an issue.Do nude mods classify as sexist because they only exist to sexualize women in most cases? Should we ban those too?
Everything you said is stupid. That's how racism grows. When you don't point out racism, it slowly becomes normalized. You fight it by pointing it out because it causes people to think about their actions.Yes, and nude mods are sexist, sex mods that change the sexuality of a character is sexist, etc. etc. etc.
I know what you're arguing, I just don't think it's realistic to put any sort of social effort to expunge it. Preferences will always exist, and if you want to attack someone for what they prefer in private use, good luck man. That's thought crime territory.
Attack someone for what they do to you. Not what they do in their room. If they keep it to themselves, who gives a crap. The public availability of a simple texture swap mod like this is not problematic enough to start some sort of campaign. If you feel otherwise go ahead and start up the twitter hashtag. Let's see where that effort goes.
I mean, honestly you could make a separate thread about this. Many are going to share different mindsets about it for sure though.Let me preface this by stating that I only read the first and most recent pages of this thread, so if a similar question has been asked, I apologize....
So my first reaction to the OP was: "Wow, that's disgusting." However, as someone who writes a decent amount of gay fanfiction and smut, I'm kind of questioning if I'm any better. Like, I take straight characters and play God with their orientations and sexuality all the time. Yes, the reason I do it is because there's almost zero queer characters in the fandoms I like to write about, and maybe that excuses it, but I'm still manipulating core elements that define who a character is to fit my selfish tastes.
I know it's not quite the same as changing a character's skin color, but I feel like it falls under a similar umbrella. I also understand that changing a character that provides diversity and representation to underrepresented people so that they fall more in line with 'white, heteronormative ideals' is kind of the other side of the coin concerning what I do. But is it really all that different?
I'd love to get some thoughts on this. I'm more so interested in hearing the opinions of people who had the same initial reaction as I did in regards to modding a character's skin color because I think I understand the reasons why people who don't find it objectionable well enough. Still, anyone who wants to take a shot at my question is more than welcome.
There's nothing inherently wrong with changing a character or anything else about a game in the abstract, and I'd say the same goes for creating fan fiction based on other works. It's the author's motives for doing so that are being questioned here.Let me preface this by stating that I only read the first and most recent pages of this thread, so if a similar question has been asked, I apologize....
So my first reaction to the OP was: "Wow, that's disgusting." However, as someone who writes a decent amount of gay fanfiction and smut, I'm kind of questioning if I'm any better. Like, I take straight characters and play God with their orientations and sexuality all the time. Yes, the reason I do it is because there's almost zero queer characters in the fandoms I like to write about, and maybe that excuses it, but I'm still manipulating core elements that define who a character is to fit my selfish tastes.
I know it's not quite the same as changing a character's skin color, but I feel like it falls under a similar umbrella. I also understand that changing a character that provides diversity and representation to underrepresented people so that they fall more in line with 'white, heteronormative ideals' is kind of the other side of the coin concerning what I do. But is it really all that different?
I'd love to get some thoughts on this. I'm more so interested in hearing the opinions of people who had the same initial reaction as I did in regards to modding a character's skin color because I think I understand the reasons why people who don't find it objectionable well enough. Still, anyone who wants to take a shot at my question is more than welcome.
Meh, let people make what they want, there's even black Link mods for BotW.
CEMUOkay, What? Wii u games?
Seriously, I need to know this... are there mods for XcX?
I seriously need to be Jim Kelly, Full burns, full stash, leather pants leather jacket galactic fucking samurai in XcX.
Nothing at the moment. Just discussing. I posted a short message explaining my thoughts when I entered the thread but i guess people wanted more replies to explain more about what i felt so i did. that post you just quoted was explaining the 'don't see the point in social policing' stance that people were inquiring and quoting me to elaborate upon. So, hope I clarified that enough.What effort is being advocated beyond it being called out in this thread?
The "issue" is the fact that racial preference still exists, and is manifesting in this way.Read my post again because you clearly didn't the first time. Like I said, the vast majority of people ITT have not asked for this stuff to be banned. It's just pointing attention to an issue.
As a frequent modder myself, it's true, especially in Dragon Age games where you can edit a character to start with. I've modded all the cast multiple times to make them look different. Liliana the most to try to get her to look like the Sacred Ashes trailer (I was so disappointed to find out that character was Liliana the whole time). When I got the PC version it was high on my things to do with mods. It's a change of scenery, I also modded the Aveline to look more rugged, and again less rugged.Yeah most those mods are weird but not all of them are downloaded for bad intentions. Maybe someone thinks the character looks better modded. Happens a lot with Elder Scrolls games.
For better or worse, mods offer this type of freedom, and I know people here aren't asking them to be banned, but it's just something that you'll always have to expect in the future.
Meh, let people make what they want, there's even black Link mods for BotW.
Is a modder allowed to make a mod that caters to people with racial preferences? That is the big question mark in this thread.
There's a difference between "I want to play as someone who looks more like me" vs. "I only fuck the white ladies."I think so, yes. Just doing a quick search, there's a bunch of mods that are the exact reverse, making previously white characters dark-skinned.
Geralt in Witcher 3: https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/2404
Niko in GTAIV: https://www.gta-modding.com/area/index.php?act=view&id=330
That's the great thing about active PC modding communities. You can really play the games however you want and essentially get a character creation toolkit in many games that don't normally have them.
I think so, yes. Just doing a quick search, there's a bunch of mods that are the exact reverse, making previously white characters dark-skinned.
Geralt in Witcher 3: https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/2404
Niko in GTAIV: https://www.gta-modding.com/area/index.php?act=view&id=330
That's the great thing about active PC modding communities. You can really play the games however you want and essentially get a character creation toolkit in many games that don't normally have them.
Here's the thing, read the thread.
Someone missed the thread about Link's BotW design yesterday.I think this might take the cake for most outrageous OP in a really long time. Like, calm down OP xD.
There's a difference between "I want to play as someone who looks more like me" vs. "I only fuck the white ladies."
"Checkmate, everyone who isn't racist."
This is Isabela. She is a beautiful black lady. Of course, people did this:
Then there's Vivienne, an amazing black woman who fought her way into a position of power. So of course, this happened:
I just. I'm so angry. It's like, seriously? People are so fucking fragile that they can't handle even a HINT of non-whiteness in their games? This goes for mods that make gay characters bi. Fuck off with that shit. Friendly reminder that if you use any of these kinds of mods you're garbage bye.
Nah, I'm pretty confident they're racist.I haven't played any of the Dragon Age games, but from these posted examples, I actually prefer the modded versions in both cases. For Isabela, because they got rid of that piercing; and for Vivienne, because they made her lips a bit smaller. Would I go out of my way to download these mods? No, they're just NPCs and I generally only care how my player character looks, but others may not feel the same. My point is, I don't think it's fair of you to indiscriminately label every single person who downloaded these mods as "garbage," because you cannot possibly know what everybody's reasons were for using them.
As a frequent modder myself, it's true, especially in Dragon Age games where you can edit a character to start with. I've modded all the cast multiple times to make them look different. Liliana the most to try to get her to look like the Sacred Ashes trailer (I was so disappointed to find out that character was Liliana the whole time). When I got the PC version it was high on my things to do with mods. It's a change of scenery, I also modded the Aveline to look more rugged, and again less rugged.
I never touched the characters DA: Inquisition much though. I used a Sara and Cassandra mod just because. Viv stayed, though I think there was some mod for her that tweaked her shaders or look. She still look the same, just texture stuff, I couldn't tell the difference.
Probably this. Makeup and mask for an person from Orlesian high classed person.
I haven't played any of the Dragon Age games, but from these posted examples, I actually prefer the modded versions in both cases. For Isabela, because they got rid of that piercing; and for Vivienne, because they made her lips a bit smaller. Would I go out of my way to download these mods? No, they're just NPCs and I generally only care how my player character looks, but others may not feel the same. My point is, I don't think it's fair of you to indiscriminately label every single person who downloaded these mods as "garbage" or assume they're racist, because you cannot possibly know what everybody's reasons were for using them.
Real poor example. Look at reported trends in online dating sites, or dating in general. Black women, especially darker skinned black women, get overlooked all the time or are outright told they're less attractive for their skin color.I think a big thing being conflated in this thread is "attraction" vs "sexual attraction". Having preferences for a certain shade of skin is the same as hair colour or height or any other physical trait. Saying "I'm not attracted to [race]" is very distinct from "I'm not sexually attracted to x coloured skin".
You can't control what jollies your rogers. I can see a beautiful black woman and go "boy she is attractive. but I'm not sexually attracted to her". Correct me if I'm wrong but according to some people in this thread, that's racist. (note: I am a male attracted to men, the above is simply an example)
As for the thread itself I personally think it's uncool to change the race or sexuality of an established character using mods. But at the same time I don't think you can start censoring that kind of thing either
Ah good point, I never thought of trying that. The beauty of mods.I like the one that gives her wrinkles and makes her look older. Certain characters do digs at her age and she looks really young in vanilla. Which yeah I know magic but even the older mages still look their age for the most part. The ones that don't aren't fully human.
Yeah it's super coincidental that all these completely independent and random "preferences" tend to run in very specific directions.These trends aren't "just preferences," they speak to ingrained societal attitudes towards race and attraction.
...this is stupid as hell. You can't control what you're attracted to. It has nothing to do with racism at all.
That's unrelated to my example. I'm saying that having that preference isn't inherently racist like people in this thread are claiming. It's a sad truth that there is a lot of bias, and change will come over time with any luck, but I think it's disingenuous to say "there's this problem, therefore these people are racist"Real poor example. Look at reported trends in online dating sites, or dating in general. Black women, especially darker skinned black women, get overlooked all the time or are outright told they're less attractive for their skin color.
These trends aren't "just preferences," they speak to ingrained societal attitudes towards race and attraction.
It's not about race, it's about skin tone. Like hair colour or height you can have a preference or not find x thing sexually arousing. Conflating skin colour with race is another thing people are constantly doing in this thread which needs to be curbed.If you find an entire race unattractive? There is almost no way anyone can unequivocally say there is no member of a race they can find attractive. There are a near infinite number of physical permutations for any given race.
I can't think of someone who isn't racist that's ever said "I'm not attracted to X race" or "I will never date someone of X race".Anyone who feels the need to use mods like these...yeesh.
With that said:
...this is stupid as hell. You can't control what you're attracted to. It has nothing to do with racism at all.