Man, that picture's just doesn't do a good job of showing the teeth. Looks too crooked here. :P
To everyone else, hi, it's been a while. I have been lurking the threat but I had stuff to take care of and I didn't feel I had much to say (or enough time to write) lately.
Oh trust me, I know about toxic masculinity. But I don't find your premise true at all? Maybe because I'm not straight, but I've found way more aesthetic heroes than just beefcakes lol.
If anything my ideal look would be like Ash for KoF. Look at this sexy motherfucker.
Also it's about diversity of types. Kratos and your classic barbarian archetype are nowhere close to being the only type of male design in gaming.
Good luck finding female character designs that are above 30 and don't conform to the general hollywood/anime standard of attractive design.
Men are allowed to be ugly. Men are allowed to grow old. Hell, even Kratos grew old.
Dude's been banned, no need to keep the derailment going on
Also, hi everyone owo/
You talked about Bayo before, and I've never really known what to think about her. Both the power fantasy and sexualization sides have brought good points and I honestly don't know where I stand.
I remember MovieBob (as GameOverthinker? I don't remember) put it as her not being designed to be sexually appealing but her being designed to be sexually intimidating.I feel like Bayonetta is not a character designed to be sexy. She's sexualized, yes, but not the kind of sexualization male gamers usually like, it goes more like with the character, while usually it's the other way around.
At least that's how i see her.
Also as a avid watcher of Worth It from buzzfeed you can tell that a lot of the audience is female and a lot of the attraction comes just the male bonding and friendship aspect of the show. Definitely won't have the same audience if it's just some angry machismo beefcakes going around eating food.
Especially this episode.
I remember MovieBob (as GameOverthinker? I don't remember) put it as her not being designed to be sexually appealing but her being designed to be sexually intimidating.
Always wonder what people do when they've been banned because of this thread. Is there a secret, membership-only club out there filled with ranty young men sharing stories about their cousin's girlfriend who totally doesn't think gaming has a sexism problem, while Zangief cosplayers poledance in the background as hardcore proof that men are just as oversexualised as women?Dude's been banned, no need to keep the derailment going on
Also, hi everyone owo/
God this mental image, lolAlways wonder what people do when they've been banned because of this thread. Is there a secret, membership-only club out there filled with ranty young men sharing stories about their cousin's girlfriend who totally doesn't think gaming has a sexism problem, while Zangief cosplayers poledance in the background as hardcore proof that men are just as oversexualised as women?
Always wonder what people do when they've been banned because of this thread. Is there a secret, membership-only club out there filled with ranty young men sharing stories about their cousin's girlfriend who totally doesn't think gaming has a sexism problem, while Zangief cosplayers poledance in the background as hardcore proof that men are just as oversexualised as women?
The thing about roles is that there's a point where they become subconscious. They're so natural that posing men like women often are, "would make zero sense".
To the point though, that poses themselves are structured sexually and visualized as masculine or feminine is also itself a culture of dominance and the dominated. Personally I find it limiting that poses are structured like this. There's nothing unreasonable about posing a character any given way except that we have created a culture that ostracizes anything that isn't "normal" (though admittedly, that's a very human condition - even if it's unhealthy in a society that is no longer predicated on survival alone).
Also as a avid watcher of Worth It from buzzfeed you can tell that a lot of the audience is female and a lot of the attraction comes just the male bonding and friendship aspect of the show. Definitely won't have the same audience if it's just some angry machismo beefcakes going around eating food.
Especially this episode.
I remember MovieBob (as GameOverthinker? I don't remember) put it as her not being designed to be sexually appealing but her being designed to be sexually intimidating.
Always wonder what people do when they've been banned because of this thread. Is there a secret, membership-only club out there filled with ranty young men sharing stories about their cousin's girlfriend who totally doesn't think gaming has a sexism problem, while Zangief cosplayers poledance in the background as hardcore proof that men are just as oversexualised as women?
I used to work with a co-worker who had the biggest crush on him (this was 10 years ago, but still). She even had a poster of him in her office.I can also 100% guarantee that nobody thinks vin diesel is sexy.
Shit, no. I'll take Kain over Anne Rice's shitty vampires any day (or night).
Actually it's been dismissed to death in this thread.
Bayonetta is sexy and confident and powerful without the need to wear armor or have bulging muscles. And she emerges victorious with little effort. So I guess she is a power fantasy too huh?
I mean she was designed by a woman after all.
It's no coincidence that the ones who push men to "get ripped" are, more often than not, other men.I do think "assertive muscle heads get all the girls" is a phenomenon worth discussing. Is it a perception thing based on popularity? Is it the confidence taking precedent with looks not mattering at all? Is this just a high school mindset? Is it purely social conditioning which ends up being a feedback loop as the generations go on? But if so, doesn't it stand to reason that attraction in the east with men having more traditionally feminine qualities is similarly based on social conditioning and thus nothing innate?
I think it's an interesting discussion and I don't know if it's something we'd get a definitive answer to on a video game message board as I feel like the "popular people" would have a different answer than enthusiasts.
The "all women love muscly men" is definitely not true in my experience (as a man). To be so sure that it is the case suggests some deep insecurities. "Yeah, that's why I'm single..." etc
Preposterous!
some don't even like anyone
It's no coincidence that the ones who push men to "get ripped" are, more often than not, other men.
It's also no coincidence that far-right groups deliberately target and recruit insecure nerds using these toxic ideas of "manliness".
I get that, but my observation is about the women going along with it. Is it that confidence and other aspects is a byproduct of "getting ripped" and is thus the more important aspect (meaning there's widespread misinformation for an "attractive" consensus), or has society as a whole just bought into toxic masculinity which has influenced people's tastes, which creates the loop that feeds into the perception of popularity? If it's the latter, then that's entirely nurture rather than nature, which means any attempts to remedy that would put us at the cross-section of a generational fight against social conditioning.
Some muscle is hot, you get too much then you get into the "God, this guy could easily crush me" territory. Which is why i find the idea that a character like Kratos is seen as being sexy to women as really weird, as he's a terrifying dude.I would imagine it's a fetish like any other. From my observations the lithe and beautiful male tends to be more popular with straight women or at least in Japan I guess?
- "Why do women love ripped guys?"
- "Er, as a rule of thumb, they don't..."
- "I get that, but why do they?"
OK then... :/
Maybe there was other reasons they were popular? Specially as bald is not exactly known as being a trait thats particularly attractive to women. (I mean there is a niche for it, it's still more of a niche)Dary didn't say they don't, rather that it's men that decide that. In my anecdotal experience, women go along with it. In high school, the 5 most popular guys in the school were these bald buff guys and like 80% of the girls in our class were either hanging all over them or constantly talking about them. That's why I'm wondering if it was social conditioning rather than any genuine look at tastes. The perception of popularity and the feeling of needing to fit into that mold, even if the ones outwardly showing attraction don't truly feel that way, especially in such a volatile mental time as high school. Or is it just that that's a work-required status quo, and is thus desirable?
Maybe there was other reasons they were popular? Specially as bald is not exactly known as being a trait thats particularly attractive to women. (I mean there is a niche for it, it's still more of a niche)
lol who were these burly bald teenagers? They sound like a Russian Boy Band.Dary didn't say they don't, rather that it's men that decide that. In my anecdotal experience, women go along with it. In high school, the 5 most popular guys in the school were these bald buff guys and like 80% of the girls in our class were either hanging all over them or constantly talking about them. That's why I'm wondering if it was social conditioning rather than any genuine look at tastes. The perception of popularity and the feeling of needing to fit into that mold, even if the ones outwardly showing attraction don't truly feel that way, especially in such a volatile mental time as high school. Or is it just that that's a work-required status quo, and is thus desirable?
lol who were these burly bald teenagers? They sound like a Russian Boy Band.
Shaved heads can be but in general only in younger men, mainly cus I think it's cus they make them look older/mature. In high school, bulking up would also be a similar effect. You kind of have to look outside teenage girls to see in general what women are attracted to - girls at that age tend to be pushed to be more mature then they are (at least me and my friends defo did, part of the reason why I think young girls tend to be such easy victims of predators, they want to be seen as adults)Really? Then my anecdotal experience is way outside the norm it seems. Couldn't go one day without girls talking about how hot shaved heads were back in both middle school and high school.
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing. While problematic issues need to be discussed, it's always cool to see someone take a more positive approach and create more of what they want to see.she fab ^
also here's some black panther gorgeous arts that nail what women wants in women representations, and not just women, seeing that black panther is one of the most successful superhero movies E V E R
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There's many, many, many, MANY more. Really, women can be represented as complex human beings, some prettier than other women, some more loyal, some more gentler, others more analytical, etc. etc. etc. No one is saying women characters should be ugly. No one is trying to take your fanservice from you, but WHY NOT PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS ON TOP OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED.
Just like other human beings of the other gender, women just want room to breathe and to be able to BE without also being mandated to ALSO be eye-candy all the time we are portrayed in fictional contents.
My high school classmates were seemingly all into Backstreet Boys and the likes (showing my age here huh). Meanwhile I was (and still am >.>) into long-haired metal dudes. Anecdotes are gonna anecdotes.
I was about to mention the ol' long haired guitar players!My high school classmates were seemingly all into Backstreet Boys and the likes (showing my age here huh). Meanwhile I was (and still am >.>) into long-haired metal dudes. Anecdotes are gonna anecdotes.
Edit: I'll note that bald is not generally viewed the same as shaved as well.
Yeah, I'll be honest that I am kinda confused how he somehow knew how all the girls in his high school were interested in 5 guys. maybe it's just me, but as a teenage girl we didn't go around discussing who we found hot with the guys and there tended to be more variation than 5 guys - also tended to talk more about celebrities than people who were actually in our school but that's besides the point.I was about to mention the ol' long haired guitar players!
It really depends on the person. The idea that all women go for beefcakes is as absurd as the idea that all men lust after big tits. As is the idea that every girl in high school wanted to shag the football captain.
It is, however, a convenient narrative.
Dary didn't say they don't, rather that it's men that decide that. In my anecdotal experience, women go along with it.