So essentially "wow look at this thing 2 entire prosecutor teams missed that we conviniently have for a documentary that we can release after the man is dead and cannot disprove it".
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Will you guys #Mute Michael Jackson when his documentary comes out?
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so if Bill Cosby died before the women said anything, would you tell them to not make those claims still?
The weird thing is that Michael Jackson was already a pariah in the playground where I lived in the 90s. We heard about the abuse allegations and thought of him as a hateable deviant. He was extremely unpopular.
Then when he died in 2009, the message I got from society at large was that the abuse allegations were unfounded. It was just that he loved spending time with kids innocently, and was ultra rich, which left him open to false accusations left and right. And I feel in love with his music at this time, because I was "allowed to."
Now we're finding the allegations credible again....? This has been a long back and forth and I don't know what to think...
Then when he died in 2009, the message I got from society at large was that the abuse allegations were unfounded. It was just that he loved spending time with kids innocently, and was ultra rich, which left him open to false accusations left and right. And I feel in love with his music at this time, because I was "allowed to."
Now we're finding the allegations credible again....? This has been a long back and forth and I don't know what to think...
Oh, u mean this housekeeper who was paid $20,000 by Hard Copy to say this and in a 1994 deposition claimed to have not saw anything, then changed her story and fell apart in cross examination by the defense in 2005? Hard to believe her here:
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2018/05/12/wades-witnesses-part-2/
Doesn't the production of the art already harm the artist's victims? The art is what empowers predatory artists to exploit and abuse victims, and it shields them from consequences.
Can someone close this thread fucking thread, and all future threads related to this "Documentary"? How many times are we gonna have the same shit?
He has been found innocent, and the accusers have been found to be frauds several times over in the past 30 years. No new documentary is gonna change that.
He has been found innocent, and the accusers have been found to be frauds several times over in the past 30 years. No new documentary is gonna change that.
It is indeed. For the record I only do this with artists that's Re questionable, like Jared Leto and so on. People we know ar pieces of shit for definite like Chris Brown I don't.
The maid's testimony is really super suspect. If you can forgive the silly URL, this page breaks it down well: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2...-michael-jacksons-former-maid-blanca-francia/
Read a lottttt more about it at the link. Like, literally every line of testimony.
If he was ever proven guilty, yes.
I have trouble seperating art from the artist in general because of my own...how to put it...life experiences, so if he was proven guilty I could listen to his songs or play them on piano/guitar etc and in my head i'd find it impossible to not make the assossciation. That said i'm super skeptical this documentary will be anything of substance but if people have genuine concerns etc then by all means investigate em
I have trouble seperating art from the artist in general because of my own...how to put it...life experiences, so if he was proven guilty I could listen to his songs or play them on piano/guitar etc and in my head i'd find it impossible to not make the assossciation. That said i'm super skeptical this documentary will be anything of substance but if people have genuine concerns etc then by all means investigate em
Most of us lived through the years of innuendo and the highly public 2005 trial. He was smeared and dragged by the press and public despite the verdict, I know I've already processed and wrestled with this topic years ago after going over the evidence. There would have to be some pretty damning and concrete revelations in this documentary, and definitely not worth getting preemptively outraged over without more information.
HBO usually does top flight docs so I have no idea - outside of money - why they are debasing their own brand with this shit.
I've stopped purchasing his music long ago.
I'll still listen to what I have of his already though.
I'll still listen to what I have of his already though.
No, we're not. At least, I'm not.
It's just really unfortunate that big-splash media pieces like this documentary and Martin Bashir's thing get so much attention and make so much money while the truth quietly shows itself in the lack of evidence, the acquittals, the testimony.
There's been too many twists and turns in this, so unless the documentary provides new evidence, it's going to be hard to sway my opinion.
Imagine an alternate reality where Era boycotts Bloodbourne XD
Not only does he look to be innocent of those charges, the man donated 300 million to charity over his lifetime.
The world could use more 'garbage humans' like him.
Funny cause HBO paid $20 million to air MJ's Dangerous Tour concert in 1992, now they paid god knows how much to air this shady documentary. Odd decision from them.
Yeah...I don't get it.
From what I've read, this is basically just giving the accusers the spotlight without any further evidence.
Most of the people who were making decisions for HBO 27 years ago are gone now
That's a good point but when you really look at their output, even just over the last few years, their docs tend to skew towards a much more liberal/informed perspective.
This doc seems like an outlier and it's a shame.
Ain't nothing wrong with a lil bit of Jesus Juice, but the man died innocent of the allegations.
I feel bad for his kids. I hope this doesn't fuck em up again.
I feel bad for his kids. I hope this doesn't fuck em up again.
Micheal spent the last decade of his life being the butt of every pedophile joke people could think of. R. Kelly had multiple pieces of hard evidence of him being a pedo (including video) and his whole damn industry either turned a blind eye or outright defended him.
If this doc has solid evidence of him being a predator, then sure, a conversation about his influence should happen, but to frame this discussion with a comparision to Kelly is disengenious.
If this doc has solid evidence of him being a predator, then sure, a conversation about his influence should happen, but to frame this discussion with a comparision to Kelly is disengenious.
It's just more of the same lies and fabrications being repeated against him again to make some money.
Guy is dead.
I don't give a shit. Nobody is going to be hurt by me listening to an MP3 of Black or White I pirated 10 years ago.
This is a great post as well.
I don't give a shit. Nobody is going to be hurt by me listening to an MP3 of Black or White I pirated 10 years ago.
This is a great post as well.
lmao that's proof enough this can be the only universe. there's no reality where ERA doesn't worship Bloodborne.
Although everyone knows Lovecraft was an abhorrent racist but I also his works have been so interpreted and added to over the years i have no idea "whats his" vs what is someone else's lense looking at his work, which is what BB is to me.
Two sentences that when mixed together produce a bowl full of dumb. But everyone has the right to feel how they want to about it.
Besides once the doc drops, ERA is going to gleefully exhume his corpse just to piss on it again.
I assume every famous person to be evil (and possibly reptilian) until proven otherwise so nothing will change in how I view MJ, shamone. Given the track record of dubious accusations against jacko, i'm not expecting this docu to reveal anything different but let's see.
This is tricky. Everyone who was around R. Kelly never defended him. They either said they looked the other way or said he was an victim too. In Michael Jackson's situation, many people have outright refuted his allegations. Corey Feldman and Ron Newt come from different walks of life and we're around Jackson during that time. Both stated that they never seen anything.
There is damning evidence against rkelly. I never recall anything concrete proof with mj. Just people thinking it must be true because "he acts weird" and "is friends with kids"
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