Grow the fuck up. You're a fan of someone who shares beds with little boys. Think about that for a sec....Better get the dvd while you can. Oh, and if Wade Robson wasnt a scam artist, these allegations would be easier to believe.
Grow the fuck up. You're a fan of someone who shares beds with little boys. Think about that for a sec....Better get the dvd while you can. Oh, and if Wade Robson wasnt a scam artist, these allegations would be easier to believe.
Imagine being brave enough to defend a pedophile, but too much of a coward to post in the topic about it.Better get the dvd while you can. Oh, and if Wade Robson wasnt a scam artist, these allegations would be easier to believe.
That mentality comes from the things i read. Posts. Articles. Court documents. Etc. I dont understand how people arent a little scepticle knowing he lied under oath, changed his story multiple times, and was seeking a big payout b4 docu. If the avi is too much, let me know...As if your post weren't biased enough your avatar seals it. I don't suspect you'll last long with posts like that.
you're defending pedophile, stop!That mentality comes from the things i read. Posts. Articles. Court documents. Etc. I dont understand how people arent a little scepticle knowing he lied under oath, changed his story multiple times, and was seeking a big payout b4 docu. If the avi is too much, let me know...
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Well that's a new take.The episode is kind of shit anyway, no big loss. It took half a season more for the Simpsons to get great imo.
Was Jordan lying? Was Jimmy lying? Was Michael (the latest kid to come out and say Michael tried to molest him) lying? Were the family members who described all of the grooming lying? Was Michael Jackson himself lying when he asked what was wrong with a grown man sleeping with little boys? What more do you need to see to comprehend that what Jackson did was abuse?That mentality comes from the things i read. Posts. Articles. Court documents. Etc. I dont understand how people arent a little scepticle knowing he lied under oath, changed his story multiple times, and was seeking a big payout b4 docu. If the avi is too much, let me know...
Some folks have selective memory when it comes to remembering Season 1 and Season 2 episodes that are legitimately great.
Some folks have selective memory when it comes to remembering Season 1 and Season 2 episodes that are legitimately great.
By removing it from distribution they are literally censoring it by definitionThe Reddit threads about this have been hysterical, because people keep crying censorship.
It's just the content owner not wanting to be associated with a pedophile.
This point is always so stupid:That mentality comes from the things i read. Posts. Articles. Court documents. Etc. I dont understand how people arent a little scepticle knowing he lied under oath, changed his story multiple times, and was seeking a big payout b4 docu. If the avi is too much, let me know...
Cosign. IMO The first 3 seasons of the show are my favourite and the best. Later seasons (up til 9~10) are good too but I prefer the earlier episodes :PSome folks have selective memory when it comes to remembering Season 1 and Season 2 episodes that are legitimately great.
Creators having control over their work and deciding they're uncomfortable airing some of it isn't this idea though.I disagree with this idea that we need to burn everything touched by a monster, especially when it's something like a TV show where a lot of good, passionate people worked hard to make something great and that thing touched people in a positive way.
What about the living that would rather not see a child abuser heralded in a cartoon on TV?Michael is dead. Nothing we choose to do regarding what he worked on will have any impact on him. But it will impact the living who worked with him on things like this.
Discussions of what made up the "Golden Era" are always weird to me. I remember talking to someone who legitimately said that the Golden Era ONLY consisted of Seasons 5 and 6 and nothing else lived up to them. I get it's all subjective, but it seemed a bit silly to me.Some folks have selective memory when it comes to remembering Season 1 and Season 2 episodes that are legitimately great.
I think you aren't wrong. Reading up on it now is particularly awkward.
Jackson pitched several story ideas, such as Bart telling everyone in town that Jackson was coming to his house. He also requested a scene in which he and Bart write a song together[8]
Jackson was a fan of Bart,[18] and wanted to give Bart a number one-single. He co-wrote the song "Do the Bartman", which was released as a single around the same time that the episode was produced.
Creators having control over their work and deciding they're uncomfortable airing some of it isn't this idea though.
What about the living that would rather not see a child abuser heralded in a cartoon on TV?
Creative products produced by a team still need an owner, obviously.Do you think any person who actually was involved with the writing and animation production of the episode had a say?
James L. Brooks is quoted in the opening post.Do you think any person who actually was involved with the writing and animation production of the episode had a say?
Right, executive producer who did not write or animate the show.
Do you think any person who actually was involved with the writing and animation production of the episode had a say?
Context, context context
That was 30 years ago when the world adored him. It's not a new episode that was made today.
Are we just supposed to forget that he was ever a cultural icon? We can't face the pain of knowing we accepted him for many years even after we knew shit was very wrong with him?
Look, i just want to be clear: im not defending Michael Jackson. Im just not sure this "burn it all down" approach is the right way to process the emotional betrayal of having a respected artist exposed for who they really were.The context is It's not about airing 30 years ago, it's about airing now and in the future. The producers don't want to do so going forward.
Look, i just want to be clear: im not defending Michael Jackson. Im just not sure this "burn it all down" approach is the rifht way to process the emotional betrayal of having a respected artist exposed for who they really were.
I disagree with this idea that we need to burn everything touched by a monster, especially when it's something like a TV show where a lot of good, passionate people worked hard to make something great and that thing touched people in a positive way.
2 years after it aired he was in court tho.Do you think any person who actually was involved with the writing and animation production of the episode had a say?
Context, context context
That was 30 years ago when the world adored him. It's not a new episode that was made today.
Are we just supposed to forget that he was ever a cultural icon? We can't face the pain of knowing we accepted him for many years even after we knew shit was very wrong with him?
Most recitable lines after "Lisa needs braces... dental plan!"I have that 'Lisa, it's your birthday' song stuck in my head for decades
Well, that's also kind of my point. Why now? We knew for decades. We're all guilty.
Right, executive producer who did not write or animate the show.
He is a producer but has been involved in the creative process, including writing, from the start. He's written shorts and worked on scripts as recently as this decades.Right, executive producer who did not write or animate the show.
Well, his songs are getting pulled, too.So, again, the original creators and current owners of The Simpson's deciding they're not comfortable airing an episode of the show lauding a dead child abuser, is not indicative of this "beginning of the end" of art nonsense you're talking about.
This hang-wringing over some alternative scenario is pointless.
From some radio stations that don't feel comfortable playing the music of a dead child abuser.
Look, i just want to be clear: im not defending Michael Jackson. Im just not sure this "burn it all down" approach is the right way to process the emotional betrayal of having a respected artist exposed for who they really were.
Especially when we already knew who they were this whole time. In many ways we are complicit. I think this type of reaction is more about US not wanting to deal with the fact that we supported them for all that time, that we ever loved anything they made.
Al Jean, who co wrote the episode, was one of the people who agreed to have it pulled.Do you think any person who actually was involved with the writing and animation production of the episode had a say?
I disagree with this idea that we need to burn everything touched by a monster, especially when it's something like a TV show where a lot of good, passionate people worked hard to make something great and that thing touched people in a positive way.
Because Michael Jackson did a few lines now the work of a lot of people will be buried.
Get ready to burn almost everything eventually because there's a lot of monsters out there.
SourceWhat saddens me is, if you watch that documentary—which I did, and several of us here did—and you watch that episode, honestly, it looks like the episode was used by Michael Jackson for something other than what we'd intended it.
"It wasn't just a comedy to him, it was something that was used as a tool. And I strongly believe that."