Wuthering Waves has reached 30 million pre-registrations
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I actually don't disagree! I didn't want to use it because it sounds kinda dickish, but for the casual player (which is the vast majority of Genshin players), the combat system works pretty much exactly as intended to get you in and out. It's really only the endgame (what little of it there is) where most of my complaints even appear. I don't even necessarily think being optimal is quite what I need either, it's just that some stuff just doesn't work as well if you don't play in weird ways (like Ningguang's awkward attack animations or Hu Tao's jump cancelling), I'm firmly in the middle of casual player and DMC MAD player.
For me, the big breakdown in the gameplay loop was the Spiral Abyss. It's the only endgame content related to combat, so it's the only thing you'd want/need to gear up for. However, the encounters in the abyss aren't particularly interesting and exemplify some of the biggest issues with the game, largely in their stat checky nature. Floor 13 (or whatever the highest one is) isn't particularly difficult because the encounters are hard, it's because then you're likely to just get stat-checked. So now, you have to go grind a bunch of rng stats and xp and money in order to level up to lower how long it takes to beat the enemies' stats.
Basically, my issue with the game came down to 'the best way to engage with Genshin's combat system is to get to the point where you don't have to engage with it' and that soured me on all of the other gameplay loops. Why am I exploring? To get Primos. What do I need primos for? New characters. What do I use the new characters for? Clearing the same content I already did, but hopefully faster.
Ultimately though, I could probably have dealt with it if going through the story wasn't so obnoxious on its own with the overly long cutscenes that say nothing being so prevalent.
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I was going to post this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoivi1xRK3Q
but your video is better.
It does.
Each area gets its own set of new puzzles and mechanics as you go through the game and they get much more elaborate and interesting imo. The exploring the new areas and hearing the incredible OST is the main reason I love Genshin so much tbh. They've gotten so much better at that compared to the first couple of areas as well, you can really see the improvement as you get to later regions.
The concern I have with what I have seen from Wuthering Waves is that, yeah, the combat is "more involved" and requires more effort, but since it's tied to the usual daily/weekly grinds, it is going to become exhausting to have to put in that much effort for the standard rewards all the time. But I hope that doesn't end up being the case, and I hope it does well.
Yeah I get your concern, also from time to time someone can play dailies on phones and those devices aren't well suited for DMC like gameplays
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Anyone thinking this game will actually challenge Genshin is delusional...at this point, Genshin is a 4-year-old established game. It's very unlikely that any game will be able to reach its level anytime soon. But hey, maybe I'll end up being wrong. Regardless, I'm sure WW will be successful.
As for myself, I'm already playing enough games, so I don't plan on downloading this
As for myself, I'm already playing enough games, so I don't plan on downloading this
I mean right now Love and Deepspace, that most on the forum never heard about could really be a challenger in terms of revenue:
I mean right now Love and Deepspace, that most on the forum never heard about could really be a challenger in terms of revenue:
I JUST saw this game in a Not Even Emily video last night and I was genuinely impressed when they showed the combat stuff. The Kpop / East Asian centric and Otome aesthetic and vibe doesn't do anything for me, but it seems like something people that are into that would be well served by. I was half tempted to download it for a second despite me not fitting the demo, tbh.
As far as I remember that OT title never even came close to winning first place in polls, all the 200 times you resubmitted it.
You heard it.As far as I remember that OT title never even came close to winning first place in polls, all the 200 times you resubmitted it.
Breath of the Wild puns are so last gen.
Unsure about Weekly grinds, but for dailies it seems you can complete dailies in ~5 minutes. Much like Star Rail being low effort for its dailies.
View: https://youtu.be/MNE4546RPZo?si=gt5z_NCNQ07aa9P8
I mean...by what metric are we talking about? Download numbers? You would probably be right. Revenue? Star Rail has been outperforming it for almost a year. Past success is not a guarantor of future success.
Honkai Impact 3rd is almost a 9 yera old game and it is losing all its intersted year after year. Genshin is still not that old but Honkai Star Rail is just recent and is becoming more and and more succesful each day and even more profitable which started a war between the same hoyo factions and who knows what the future will hold. We can never refute what the future will hold. For now WW seems to generate very much interest cosnidering it's something new. Will they keep that momentum and build upon it and even surpass Genshin? Who knows. This depends on how they support the game and how Hoyo will react to keep their fans and attract new ones (and yes more free premium content is needed to ensure that).
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I heard it's like Star Rail. So however you want to interpret that. But I get it. I hated it in Genshin, less so in Star Rail.
Star Rail makes a lot of money, but this is completely false.
I don't so much mind missing live stuff and events if the world itself is interesting and fun to explore, with puzzles and whatnot. So that sounds pretty good to me. And good to know it starts slow so I can be ready for that. But yeah I know the game is massive now so it feels a bit overwhelming lol. Thanks though!!
The videos keep flooding for me now. :p
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNR3gg5cswE
This is kind of Kojima Death Stranding insanity. I need to play this.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNR3gg5cswE
This is kind of Kojima Death Stranding insanity. I need to play this.
To be fair I am going off publically known info and numbers shared from Mihoyo and trackers. Do you have any data to prove otherwise? From what I see the only months Genshin outperformed Star Rail since Star Rails launch was Fontaine launch month and like...January or Feb this year when Star Rail gave the five star character for free.
Yea I never quite agree with folks who say it is too late to hop in, especially as a player who will approach it like a single player game. It is bigger with more varied and original content than like 5 $70 AAA games combined and that is probably being conservative.
I've not really messed with the Spiral Abyss just because my account isn't up to the standard to get very far into it. I do know that at the later levels of the Abyss its much more about numbers than execution.
love and deepspace is an otome and completely different game. It and genshin are not competitors. Sidenote, I actually considered downloading this, but alas, none of the guys appeal to meI mean right now Love and Deepspace, that most on the forum never heard about could really be a challenger in terms of revenue:
This is absolutely not true 🤔 not to mention I'm pretty sure hsr has yet to even get close to touching their launch sale numbers, whereas genshin has repeatedly proved that it is capable of beating its highest revenue numbers. I could be wrong, though
HI3 is a completely different game, though, and to be frank, it never reached the insane level of popularity that genshin has
Anyway, I don't mean to turn this thread into a fanwar, but people really don't do these games any favors by trying to pit them against genshin or tout them as a genshin killer 🤷♀️
Yeah, don't worry about events, when you have like 300 hours worth of story and exploration in front of you.
Since this is a singleplayer experience you do not need to catch up or keep pace with anybody else. If anything it's a big positive that you start at a point where there is no end of content in sight for a long time.
In the first or so year of the game there were regularly dry spells, because they hadn't yet established the pipeline of content that they now have established, where they add a major open world area with story every couple months.
My wife is OBSESSED with this game.I mean right now Love and Deepspace, that most on the forum never heard about could really be a challenger in terms of revenue:
Genshin needs some competition. Still can't believe Honkai Star Rail gets all the QoL updates while Genshin only gets a complete all explorations button in the last 3 years.
Then ZZZ gets a skip cutscene button before the other two games. MHY is a weird company.
Then ZZZ gets a skip cutscene button before the other two games. MHY is a weird company.
Mihoyo doesn't share numbers.
I go by the Sensortower estimations that get collected here and a bilibili industry insider making monthly videos here (but that's more work to double check so I don't remember how the numbers shake out there off the top of my head). According to Sensortower though, Genshin made more money from November - February and April too (though they were really close there, lol). Going by the bilibili person, Genshin is also estimated to have a higher ratio of PC and console sales compared to Star Rail, which are unaccounted for.
Like I said, Star Rail is really successful, but this narrative that it's somehow leaving Genshin behind and whatnot is really not it.
Oh wow that's way more than enough gameplay hours for me. And I figured yeah, the exploration and puzzle and lol the stuff I'm looking for would still be there regardless of when jumped in and sounds like that's the case which is great.
Many places Honkai Stra Rail shows greta graphics and animations in cutscenes or gameplay. ZZZ has anime movies tioer quality of animations. It seems the whole code and process and design of Genshin won't allow of such drastic improvements. Glad there are more recent games from hoyo to spice up things and also from other companies. Project Mugen seem to have (from first glance, could be worng though), some kind of RT reflections. i wonder what happened to that hoyo Project X with RT.
You're probably just not paying enough attention, they trade places regularly depending on how anticipated the current banner is. Here's last month with Genshin on top yet again: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1chkh3a/sensor_tower_monthly_revenue_report_apr_2024/
Wait idk why it said you quoted my post in notifications then I clicked and nothing lol . I don't think I even posted in this thread
This thread really isn't about this so I am going to move past this convo after this post, but just going off your own sources, of the 13 reported months Star Rail has been out, it has outperformed Genshin 8 of the 13 months. So my original comment stands, Star Rail for the most part of the year has been outperforming Genshin. I never said Genshin was doing bad or "leaving it behind". They're both successful games. I am just pushing against the narrative that no game can surpass Genshin.
Enjoy the next few weeks of fighting. Probably even months.
'Cuz I know I am.
Gacha drama and content has absolutely become my favorite guilty pleasure. People are always on 10 over literally nothing. I think it may be one of the most entertaining gaming communities to observe from the sidelines lol. The last six months of gacha drama from content creators alone has been a trip there could unironically be a reality tv show and I would watch it every single week
I am not into gacha games but this looks weird enough for me to try it out.
I really don't understand why these games tend to obfuscate the actual gameplay so much. I had to google up a let's play to see what it was like and determine that yes, there seems to be combat in this game, not just shmoozing about with hunks.
What I fear is the space this gonna occupy. I have no space left in my 128 GB phone and when I learnt that you can't upgrade space for apps and games (the ahrd way after I got a 512 GB memory card in vain). The stupidity (or more like the greed of phone constructors to force buying bigger sized phones by default and thus more expensive) to not allow storage expansion while Steam deeck Switch and other handheld devices allow it, using the pretext that SD cards are not fast enough and may get used and worn out by rewriting data many times is just absurd.
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I might check it out. Uninstalled Genshin after like 30 mins.
I'm not really into mobile games. Gave AFK Journey close to two months, but with the recent season drop, the nerfing, and big fuck you to f2p players (and to some spenders), I'm dropping that shit.
Last mobile games I spent some time on were AFK Arena, and MSF. From what I remember, both ended up being a chore to play, and not very f2p friendly.
Also, fuck any games that have stamina shit.
I'm not really into mobile games. Gave AFK Journey close to two months, but with the recent season drop, the nerfing, and big fuck you to f2p players (and to some spenders), I'm dropping that shit.
Last mobile games I spent some time on were AFK Arena, and MSF. From what I remember, both ended up being a chore to play, and not very f2p friendly.
Also, fuck any games that have stamina shit.
Interesting, thanks for the answers. Looks like the combat being braindead in Genshin has a lot of people flocking to this. Was also unaware of the Echo/Pokemon system, that does sound fresher too. I'm still turned off by the art style being so derivative Genshin though. At least Hoyo are getting a little out of their comfort zone with ZZZ, I wish other competitors at this level would differentiate a bit more with the presentation too.
Unfortunately, with Genshin as the leader, it's one of the reasons we need more competition if we want more interesting designs. It's why it's been so annoying that Genshin refuses to utilize a player character with skin tone darker than a light tan and non-existent body diversity, because it has the trickle down effect of other up and comers not doing it. Even ZZZ, which has like 8 different animal / animal adjacent characters doesn't have anybody with actual dark skin as playable. Literally the closest we've gotten is generic npcs in Honkai in Penacony.
Watched a video compilation of all the characters' gameplay last night and honestly the combat looks good but it also looks very uninventive. The ultimates were mostly boring. Yinlin and Lingyang were the only chars that really looked fun and different. Hoyo does a great job of making unique kits for the most part and so far I'm not seeing that with WW. Environments also look very bland and the UI is a straight up copy of Genshin/HSR. I'm looking forward to trying the game next week but I'm not sure this game has much staying power. Feels like it'll be another Tower of Fantasy where it has a lot of hype initially then it drops off.