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Xbox Game Studios + Bethesda + ABK |OT30| Why So Series X|S?

Should there be a new OT?

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Granjinhaa

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TheDinoman said:
That tweet was from the end of February, though. Meanwhile Haothors' post was from yesterday.

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Rumor: Ghost of Tsushima PC port being announced tomorrow (Source: Haothors, Leaked Horizon FW PC Port blog post correctly) Rumor

https://twitter.com/realradec/status/1765044954391302614 https://twitter.com/Haothors/status/1765032826980753900 Would be cool, but I still would want Demon Souls first.
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yes but ghost of tsushima on pc had already been talked about by many insiders before this. nick (xboxera) talked about it a week or two ago. other people talked about it being in development months ago.

Minthara said:
16 didn't underperform. SE has never said it underperformed. In fact, they've said the opposite often enough.

16 had different sales expectations because it was the first M rated FF mainline game and it was doing something wholly different as an experiment.

It was never expected to sell 10+ million copies all that fast to anyone who had any kind of idea of how that kind of thing works.
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It didn't underperform but going through the financial reports, it's clear it's not doing flagship (and it's a flagship game) numbers either. it's doing "okay" and "within expectations" - which is why SE is pivoting away from exclusivity in general (of course there are still deals like FFVII Remake tho)
 
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Granjinhaa said:
because another insider had also talked about it before that account. but if you all want to believe _another_ weird account that just says common sense stuff or things that other insiders already said, be my guest. lol
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Exactly they have no original/unique leaks, they have only reported on things that other have said in the past.

The original thread on it was locked due to the lack of credibility.
 
Det

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Mcbel said:
Why the hell did SE sign this deal? We're talking about at least 10 years deal, a lot can change in such long period.
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Depending on when exactly pre-remake launch, SE were in a bad spot with the 1.0 XIV launch + potentially even outsourcing the FFVII remake games initially. They weren't doing too hot then, so they probably hopped on a moneybag but who knows.
 
NovaChrysalia

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Funny that regulators don't care that something as massive as the FF7 trilogy is exclusive to PlayStation (while they made such a fuss about Microsoft's exclusivities during the acquisition, even the most negligible ones).
 
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Granjinhaa said:
yes but ghost of tsushima on pc had already been talked about by many insiders before this. nick (xboxera) talked about it a week or two ago. other people talked about it being in development months ago.


It didn't underperform but going through the financial reports, it's clear it's not doing flagship (and it's a flagship game) numbers either. it's doing "okay" and "within expectations" - which is why SE is pivoting away from exclusivity in general (of course there are still deals like FFVII Remake tho)
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Something to keep in mind is that the previous 3 mainline games (7 remake, 15 and 14) all had to restart development at least once, which means they needed to sell more relative to how much they cost by default.

A lot of people tend to discount that.
 
NovaChrysalia

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Regardless of what happens, if Starfield does indeed release on PlayStation later this year, I'm permanently jumping ship. I'm ditching Xbox for good.

I'm all for playing the cool gamer card and being happy that everyone can play this or that game, but it has to apply to everyone. In the end, I'm still a consumer. If everyone can play Xbox games on their console but Xbox players have to fork out for three consoles to play games, I'm just being taken advantage of.
 
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Neonzel said:
It's weird. Like Yeah XV sold more on PS than Xbox. But it still sold like 2mil lifetime right? Don't know why they act like the fan base is 0.

I've been enjoying 14, and intended to purchase it. But I don't know anymore. Getting tired of this second class citizen treatment. Rather they just stop bring the series over all together than giving us bits and pieces.

Faith in 16 coming over is back to being in the toilet..
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Honestly, 2 million lifetime on Xbox is actually pretty impressive considering our last known number of sales for the game is 10 million back in 2022. Xbox being 20% of the game's lifetime sales almost seems too high for me if I'm being completely honest...

Where is the 2 million lifetime units on Xbox from?

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16 didn't underperform. SE has never said it underperformed. In fact, they've said the opposite often enough.

16 had different sales expectations because it was the first M rated FF mainline game and it was doing something wholly different as an experiment.

It was never expected to sell 10+ million copies all that fast to anyone who had any kind of idea of how that kind of thing works.

It still has time to leg out to 7-10 million too given late ports, complete editions,etc.
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Ah, sorry, I was citing Wikipedia, which did say the game underperformed and provided three sources for that, but after seeing your response and clicking on one of the sources, a Eurogamer article, I see that the Wikipedia page basically misquoted two of it's sources and said that all things considered they were happy with the sales because of the limited PS5 install base.
It does still seem as though Square Enix is aware that releasing the game exclusively on PS5 significantly limited the sales potential of the game but honestly I'm not really sure that played much of an impact all things considered
 
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TheDinoman said:
I mean, they literally just got Ghost of Tsushima on PC right, though.


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That person mentioned a lot of of stuff like the usual Bloodborne remake and even a new project based on God Of War not made by Santa Monica. the fact that this leaker talked anything Bloodborne while even if both Sony and From software both officially announce it, no one gonna believe them by now, makes much of the stuff supposed to be leaks kinda doubtful tbh.
 
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The Lord of Cereal said:
Honestly, 2 million lifetime on Xbox is actually pretty impressive considering our last known number of sales for the game is 10 million back in 2022. Xbox being 20% of the game's lifetime sales almost seems too high for me if I'm being completely honest...

Where is the 2 million lifetime units on Xbox from?


Ah, sorry, I was citing Wikipedia, which did say the game underperformed and provided three sources for that, but after seeing your response and clicking on one of the sources, a Eurogamer article, I see that the Wikipedia page basically misquoted two of it's sources and said that all things considered they were happy with the sales because of the limited PS5 install base.
It does still seem as though Square Enix is aware that releasing the game exclusively on PS5 significantly limited the sales potential of the game but honestly I'm not really sure that played much of an impact all things considered
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Yea, the tale of how successful XVI will be will be told on the PC port, complete edition, other ports, etc.

Right now it just met expectations, which means their targeting was on point (which for SE is mostly actually a first!)
 
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PLASTICA-MAN said:
That person mentioned a lot of of stuff like the usual Bloodborne remake and even a new project based on God Of War not made by Santa Monica. the fact that this leaker talked anything Bloodborne while even if both Sony and From software both officially announce it, no one gonna believe them by now, makes much of the stuff supposed to be leaks kinda doubtful tbh.
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That "leaker" looks like they just saw this video and thought to do the same.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nODZila7ME
 
InfinityDOK

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Granjinhaa said:
they are backing off of other rumours, yes. at least the ghost of tsushima part.


people will have confirmation bias nonetheless. they believe what they want and when someone else says it as a fact, they take it as confirmation.
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I mean the Starfield rumor is very similar if not the same to the XboxEra rumor. So yeah they probably search the internet for rumors from known leaker/insiders and then just repeat them.
 
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PLASTICA-MAN said:
That person mentioned a lot of of stuff like the usual Bloodborne remake and even a new project based on God Of War not made by Santa Monica. the fact that this leaker talked anything Bloodborne while even if both Sony and From software both officially announce it, no one gonna believe them by now, makes much of the stuff supposed to be leaks kinda doubtful tbh.
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lolololol, there was no reason to trust that person to begin with but Bloodborne remake? I can confidently say that person is full of shit.
 
Granjinhaa

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Minthara said:
Something to keep in mind is that the previous 3 mainline games (7 remake, 15 and 14) all had to restart development at least once, which means they needed to sell more relative to how much they cost by default.

A lot of people tend to discount that.
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ofc. my point is that doing "okay" is unfortunately not enough nowadays, especially for big stuff like FFXVI, which is why SE (and most others) are moving into a multiplatform direction. even if xbox ends in this context, i don't think Playstation exclusive SE titles are gonna exist for much longer.
 

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NovaChrysalia said:
Funny that regulators don't care that something as massive as the FF7 trilogy is exclusive to PlayStation (while they made such a fuss about Microsoft's exclusivities during the acquisition, even the most negligible ones).
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I'm pretty sure there's a difference between paying for a handful of exclusive games from one publisher vs. buying the biggest third party publisher.
 
Det

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The Lord of Cereal said:
Ah, sorry, I was citing Wikipedia, which did say the game underperformed and provided three sources for that, but after seeing your response and clicking on one of the sources, a Eurogamer article, I see that the Wikipedia page basically misquoted two of it's sources and said that all things considered they were happy with the sales because of the limited PS5 install base.
It does still seem as though Square Enix is aware that releasing the game exclusively on PS5 significantly limited the sales potential of the game but honestly I'm not really sure that played much of an impact all things considered
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Surely SE would have known that, reducing access points implies fewer retail sales lol. The ROI for SE is if the exclusivity bag from Sony nets out the revenue offset from Xbox, and PC to an extent (EGS exclusivity bag too, at least for Remake).

FF is a weird franchise since each entry is wholly stand-alone aside from recurring themes and some mobs/systems (i.e., summons). Really curious what the "brand value" impact exclusivity plays for mainline FF entries compared to something that is a direct, narratively carry-over franchise. I imagine it's slightly less but how much in the context of SE assessing the overarching timed-exclusivity factors in play, in the long-term.
 
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Azuos said:
I'm pretty sure he is legit

View: https://twitter.com/Silknigth/status/1762875304144445824
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Nah. Getting this day correct a week ago could say that he has accurate information on the Sony side of things, but that doesn't explain how the very same individual would also manage to have information on Square Enix (FFT Remake, FF9 Remake) while also having information on Xbox/Bethesda enough to give a timeline of when Starfield will be released on Playstation AND further information about stuff going multiplatform next year.

Honestly, looking at the page it reads like someone who's gone through and had several random guesses and deleted the stuff that was wrong. Or maybe they have access to a Youtube backend which explains how they got some stuff right with the State of Play and the Ghost of Tsushima PC port, likely the same source that the XboxEra guy had with the PC port of the game last week

OrakioRob said:
Well, looks like we're all very excited about the Partner Preview event, right? ^_^

(I unironically am)
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Yeah, I'm not expecting much as an Xbox fan (nor should I) but I'm expecting some cool trailers and potentially smaller announcements that will be pretty fun
 
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The Lord of Cereal said:
Nah. Getting this day correct a week ago could say that he has accurate information on the Sony side of things, but that doesn't explain how the very same individual would also manage to have information on Square Enix (FFT Remake, FF9 Remake) while also having information on Xbox/Bethesda enough to give a timeline of when Starfield will be released on Playstation AND further information about stuff going multiplatform next year.
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To play devils advocate, having access to certain people at Sony could feasibly give him information on the Xbox ports given they'd be communicating about launch plans/games + publishing contracts etc., well ahead of public comms. SE is a bit more of a stretch, specifically about other platforms aside from PS assuming solid Sony contacts. The Arrowhead acquisition though is blatantly wrong.
 
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Granjinhaa said:
ofc. my point is that doing "okay" is unfortunately not enough nowadays, especially for big stuff like FFXVI, which is why SE (and most others) are moving into a multiplatform direction. even if xbox ends in this context, i don't think Playstation exclusive SE titles are gonna exist for much longer.
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TBH, I don't believe SE's "multiplatform direction" and I don't know why anyone else would. We've seen this song and dance multiple times before at this point, starting way back with XI and XIII.

SE, as a business, has a history of saying they'll do a thing and then changing their mind halfway through, and that's been true over multiple presidents now, lol.

So I'll believe in their multiplatform direction when they announce 17 on everything at the same time. Even then, I don't know if it would last.
 
Granjinhaa

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Minthara said:
TBH, I don't believe SE's "multiplatform direction" and I don't know why anyone else would. We've seen this song and dance multiple times before at this point, starting way back with XI and XIII.

SE, as a business, has a history of saying they'll do a thing and then changing their mind halfway through, and that's been true over multiple presidents now, lol.

So I'll believe in their multiplatform direction when they announce 17 on everything at the same time. Even then, I don't know if it would last.
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sure. we'll see.

Det said:
JFC I can't keep up with Twitter insiders lol.
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still a lot of stuff wrong on that twitter account. he probably deleted the most obvious ones with time, tho.
 
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OrakioRob said:
You know, iwanttobelievegif and all that :P
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Yeah I guess good to have it formalised. But after 1 didn't come to Xbox after a year, I was like, "well I guess they can't/won't do it until the full trilogy is out."

I don't think this prevents 16 or future games coming to Xbox though, in light of the recent commitments between Phil and the Square CEO.

I don't play these games anyway so it doesn't bother me, but I know there's an audience and them coming to Xbox would obviously be very good.
 
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Granjinhaa said:
still a lot of stuff wrong on that twitter account. he probably deleted the most obvious ones with time, tho.
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As of now, the only definitive "leak" verified was the GoT PC announcement date well ahead of time and before others. We have a snapshot of his TL now so can gauge accuracy if others do come true i.e., FFT on all platforms, Starfield on PS5 with rough launch timing. Until then, no need to pay attention really.
 
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NovaChrysalia said:
Regardless of what happens, if Starfield does indeed release on PlayStation later this year, I'm permanently jumping ship. I'm ditching Xbox for good.

I'm all for playing the cool gamer card and being happy that everyone can play this or that game, but it has to apply to everyone. In the end, I'm still a consumer. If everyone can play Xbox games on their console but Xbox players have to fork out for three consoles to play games, I'm just being taken advantage of.
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Can't blame anyone for this.
 
OrakioRob

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Mr Evil 37 said:
Yeah I guess good to have it formalised. But after 1 didn't come to Xbox after a year, I was like, "well I guess they can't/won't do it until the full trilogy is out."

I don't think this prevents 16 or future games coming to Xbox though, in light of the recent commitments between Phil and the Square CEO.

I don't play these games anyway so it doesn't bother me, but I know there's an audience and then coming to Xbox would obviously be very good.
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Yeah, I'm still optimistic about FFXVI, though Minthara is right in saying...

Minthara said:
At this point for your own sanity I'd say to expect all FF mainline games to be (at least temporarily) not on Xbox.
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...so I'm not really counting on it. If it comes, it will be a nice surprise.
 
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