Um sure? But the way you talk about this makes it sound like this $299 next gen system is not a major power play because it's impossible of tapping into an increasingly irrelevant portion of the gaming market
Xbox Series S officially revealed - Releases Nov 10 for $299 [512GB NVME SSD, 1440P at up to 120FPS, DirectX Raytracing, 4K Upscaling, & More]
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Despite loving this system, I've decided to pass and instead get the Series X. That disc drive is too important to me. Oh well.
Well, yes, I never contended that a $299.99 box isn't an enticing proposition. Just that it has limitations due to the current realities of the videogame market and the global reality of internet infrastructure in various regions.
One year doesn't make a trend but your data shows two years in a row. You keep saying it's one year when there's two years in a row. If you look at movies which you're trying to say it's not like, movies also started with a minor dip that kept getting worse and worse year after year. All your data really shows is two years in a row of decline with the decline getting worse. You have shown no data that shows that it stabilized in year three. If what you say is true, then support your claim and show the data because right now the data you've shown does not reflect what you say. If you're going to say well Covid throws a wrench into all that, that still doesn't change that it will be three years in a row and what makes you think that year four will recover now that the behavior has continued for three years in a row? You keep replying when you could have taken that time to just show us the data you're using to say otherwise.
The only other consoles coming out with disk drives are both 500 dollars so they are also quite limited due to the current realities... in more ways than one I guess haha
Here's the data for the most recent quarter, during COVID:
Sony Q1 FY2020 (April-June) Results - PS4: 1.9m (LTD: 112.3m) / Best Quarter ever for PlayStation / Strong FY20 FCT: $23.4B Revenue & $2.24B Profit Sales
*The US Dollar figures have been converted from Japanese Yen with exchange rate provided in Sony fiscal reports Source 1 / Source 2 Highlights : Over $5.63B Revenue and $1.153B Profit between April-June 2020 (Q1 FY20) Biggest Revenue ever for PlayStation (and for any platform holder) during...
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You can google the Nintendo results yourself. If you won't, or don't, thats fine. Believe in the heavy decline of physical as a trend. I don't care anymore.
Umm why do you keep posting shit that suggests that retail is losing marketshare to prove that retail isn't losing marketshare...Here's the data for the most recent quarter, during COVID:
Sony Q1 FY2020 (April-June) Results - PS4: 1.9m (LTD: 112.3m) / Best Quarter ever for PlayStation / Strong FY20 FCT: $23.4B Revenue & $2.24B Profit Sales
*The US Dollar figures have been converted from Japanese Yen with exchange rate provided in Sony fiscal reports Source 1 / Source 2 Highlights : Over $5.63B Revenue and $1.153B Profit between April-June 2020 (Q1 FY20) Biggest Revenue ever for PlayStation (and for any platform holder) during...
You can google the Nintendo results yourself. If you won't, or don't, thats fine. Believe in the heavy decline of physical as a trend. I don't care anymore.
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He asked me to show results that show physical volume isn't decreasing in 2020 for Sony.
Video game volume in general increased significantly this year. What your thread shows is that digital makes up a historically large chunk of that amount. It's proportions
Right now i'm sure many are trying to figure out with how to use ray tracing without trashing performance so much.
Isn't a RX 5500XT 8GB like $200 by itself? And I can't see AMD putting out a budget card to replace it for a while. I also don't see them releasing an APU to match even the S, because they always seem to keep the APUs with low core counts, and even if they could match it, the cost alone would probably be like $300.
Would subsidising PC hardware even work for anyone? I could only imagine someone as big as Steam being able to make it happen because of the existing marketplace.
Aren't you arguing that retail sales are not on a decline...
The retail sales volume went up slightly in FY20 vs 19 despite this quarter literally taking place during a pandemic that shut down stores.
Right and what I'm telling you is that video game sales were absurdly high this year but at the end of the day digital sales continued on the trend of significantly eating into retail sales. Much larger than I even thought currently
If you want to practice your debate skills against things I haven't said, find the nearest wall and feel free to practice.
That poster is right; I asked to show that physical sales from year to year was not in decline for three straight years in a row and the data supplied shows that. There's two things being discussed here; one is marketshare between physical and retail which is what you're focused on while I was talking about units of sales year over year. Primethius showed with that link that in FY20 Q1, sales did not decline compared to FY19 Q1. In fact, they were up.
What I'm getting at is that none of the data you post suggests that digital ISN"T eating retail's lunch. None
What are you talking about? Holy shit dude. The person I was responding to asked for something specific and I provided it. Don't but in and go off on a tangent on shit I haven't said.
The data shown proves that once again, more people are buying digital than retail. There's a reason why the marketshare disparity is getting attention while units sold YoY aren't. It's because one you can extrapolate much more about the current trend from proportional data rather than from sheer sales numbers without any context
...Is your argument not that retail isn't trending downwards...?
Either you are a troll or you are incapable of reading and rely on assumptions as a substitute. I'm sorry, I can't help you with that. Have a good one. Ignored.
I'm so lost were you not just arguing with me for hours about how retail isn't declining and how digital is merely additive
I don't ignore people for disagreeing with me so if you keep responding I'll keep up too
Sure marketshare matters when you're trying to focus on where the money is coming from, but you also can't discredit at the moment if something has a stable business model either. I don't think it will stay that way over time, but you can't completely dismiss it either. Definitely the trend is more people are buying digital.
I think it's absolutely dismissible and it's why the people in the comments for that thread only bring up marketshare when comparing the health of the digital market vs the retail market. It's because sheer sales numbers lack context, organizing them into percentages gives you more to go off of.
I'm not arguing with you really, but I'm feeling a little salty about how it really seems like the poster just couldn't wrap their head around it. You see this so I know I don't need to convince you of it but the trend of retail pulling in less and less of the pie will ultimately end up with it being considerably less profitable and less important for games companies
Well they've confirmed the Ram(and other hw specs) and the non 4k market positioning. The rest is kind of stating the obvious.
Yes.
Newer RDNA2 based sub $200 SKUs should offer better performance than the 5500XT/Series S. You are correct that AMD doesn't launch GPU centric/heavy APUs because ... there isn't a big market for it. PC space is more about fit-a-piece-from-here and fit-a-piece-from-there so lots of options in that regard. They only design APUs based on the SIs like HP/Dell who have a few token designs based around these APUs.
It doesn't and it can't which is why it won't happen.
I'm not saying it's not relevant. I'm saying there's still relevance to year over year units sold with physical and seeing if it's questionable if it's in decline yet. It certainly has flat lined and it most likely will be in decline probably this upcoming generation. You absolutely can lose market share while still at the same time not have a decrease in sales and that is the data I wanted to see.
Anyway, that's getting off on a tangent. The point is I asked for a certain piece of data and Primethius gave me that piece of data. You then jumped on them for giving me that piece of data when all they did was gave me what I asked for. I do think like it was mentioned earlier, Covid alters that sales trend so Covid is probably making this year more of an anomaly rather than the norm, but we'll have to see how the sales go for the remainder of FY20 and see what happens in FY21 Q1. I think we'll see a decline in FY21 Q1 though and I think at that point it'll be clear as day that yes physical sales are definitely trending downward and we'll probably have an idea at what rate too.
Development is complicated so plenty of programmers I know are leery of any sort of added complexity, even when it seems like the added complexity is very, very insignificant. It's a sort of glass half-empty outlook that comes from spending countless long nights pulling your hair out trying to find some stupid bug.
It seems like the design compromises Microsoft made here are well thought out, but people who have been burned before are going to be gun shy. I honestly think it's a healthy perspective to have on every dev team.
Because his data doesn't show it's stabilized. We're in a record year for video game sales, that's the statistical noise that gets filtered out when you compare proportions YoY. Of course retail sales are gonna be higher, all game sales are higher. But digital sales increased by a magnitude much higher than for retail. For some reason they really didn't see to get that. I want that particular poster to understand exactly why what they're posting doesn't back up their claim that retail isn't slowly getting skullfucked by digital
But yea, we'll get a better picture in 2021 but man it sure as hell seems clear as day right now
You think they know less because they are in different positions in same house? MP map designer doesn't know the specs, really? I'll bet he can design huge map with dense foliage for XSS, but XSS can't swallow that. Yeah, i'm sure he knows the specs.
If you want to see in their concerns as confirmation that Xss will have compromises beyond resolution and minor fps drops then go ahead. I'll wait for the games to hit to see what the situation is.
Has the Aus pricing been discussed?
press-start.com.au
XBOX SERIES X
$749 AUD/$799 NZD
$499 USD
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XBOX SERIES S
$499 AUD/$549 NZD
$299 USD
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About what i expected. The S will definitely be an attractive option as a second unit once the generation is in full swing and prices go down.
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
press-start.com.au
XBOX SERIES X
$749 AUD/$799 NZD
$499 USD
--
XBOX SERIES S
$499 AUD/$549 NZD
$299 USD
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About what i expected. The S will definitely be an attractive option as a second unit once the generation is in full swing and prices go down.
I feel like they should've at least kept ram speeds similar
Maybe obvious to tech people/programmers. You can't fit things in ram that isn't there. If you try to run a game that expects more ram than there is, it won't just affect the framerate or resolution, it just won't work, period. The game won't run. Series S has less ram than Xbox One X, thus it can't possibly run every game with XBox One X upgrades. You would have to pick and choose which upgrades to enable, which means a process that isn't automatic.
Has the Aus pricing been discussed?
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
XBOX SERIES X
$749 AUD/$799 NZD
$499 USD
--
XBOX SERIES S
$499 AUD/$549 NZD
$299 USD
--
About what i expected. The S will definitely be an attractive option as a second unit once the generation is in full swing and prices go down.
EB trade in deals: Series X for $399 when you trade in a One X. Series S for $299 when you trade in a One S.
Not bad deals. If they have something similar with trading in a PS4 Pro for PS5 I might jump on it!
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Don't know why it took my dumbass this long, but just realized the S pretty much guarantees a 1080p (or technically1440p, basically a not native 4K) mode in all games, hopefully it's a mode X and PS5 get with few extra bells and whistles, because I'd take it over the 4K mode everytime.
I'm low key loving the design of the S now. Really grew on me in a way the other two still haven't. Part of it is due to how compact it is. I really hope it runs quietly.
Has the Aus pricing been discussed?
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
Xbox Series X/S Australian Prices And Release Date Revealed
XBOX SERIES X
$749 AUD/$799 NZD
$499 USD
--
XBOX SERIES S
$499 AUD/$549 NZD
$299 USD
--
About what i expected. The S will definitely be an attractive option as a second unit once the generation is in full swing and prices go down.
Oh for an extra $250 I think I'll get the Series X then. I anticipated a bigger price gap.
it's going to be weird how they do it
just because if they target 4K on PS5, then S is going to be 1440p with ease and X is going to get the extra bells and whistles
if they target 4K on X, then it's going to be 1080p or 1440p on S, and then you'd have PS5 somewhere in the middle where they could in theory do a performance (uncapped framerate) or scale back to stable 30 and just add shit
if the game is a 30fps target, then PS5 is going to have dynamic res or something
nobody will obv target S first because that could cause some huge issues scaling to both PS5 and X
Yeah I just saw that EB games trade in offer. That seems like a pretty good deal for people who want an X or S.
Interested to see what they offer regarding ps4 and pro trade in for a ps5.
I thought it would be a bigger gap as well. The X does seem like the way to go if you can afford but the S looks like a sweet way to jump in to next gen.
Pretty smart thinking on MS part.
We'll see. I'd be happy for you to come rub it in my face when all back compat games run with settings identical to One S. I don't think that will happen
Total waste to be higher when games are targeting 1080p, 1440p at the most. These are better RAM numbers than PS4 Pro which is 1440p machine.
Also, XSS has very PS5 like SSD to RAM transfer rate (1.67 seconds to refresh all 8GB of game RAM) than XSX (2.81 seconds to refresh all 13.5GB of game RAM).So if you believe Cerny'spiel abouut PS5 SSD making RAM amount almost irrelevant, then same should apply to XSS.