That...isn't at odds with anything even rumored to be happening?
As a PS5 and Switch only guy (no PC), I'm all for it!
But I fail to see how this benefits MS at all.
I'm trying to see, but I'm failing.
Same, I'm surprised they're tweeting anything like this?I am more surprised they are tweeting anything like this before an actual response at this point.
Yeah, it's not really that different from Horizon/Spiderman/God of War/TLOU/Uncharted/etc coming out on PC after X amount of time.
Sony said they made the PS4 Pro because of ppl migrating to PC later in the gen.
if you remove the typical console tribalism emotionality, i agree, i think it's a rational place to take their business. Playstation/Nintendo is going to become Microsoft's 'PC market' equivalent of Sony's, where most everything gets ported an indeterminate amount of time later; arriving at the same conclusion Sony did with the PC market, which is, you're never gonna get those players in your garden -- so it's better to just release full price at some point and monetize that market anyway. Live service games that are attempting to be the next Fortnite or whatever absolutely need to be everywhere and on everything day 1, which is true for Playstation also. And if Microsoft sorta disassociates from the hardware side and just licenses out the Xbox brand to a subset of PC manufacturers with a certified spec and bundled controller, then essentially you start seeing Playstation games on Xbox platforms, or ecosystem, in a way too. Much like with the steam deck. I think Microsoft leaning more into their innate strength with the PC business and giving up on the idea of owning the living room or whatever, which is an outdated mode of thinking anwyay, will take them further and higher.I know most don't agree but I really think this is a win-win for Microsoft.
Here's how it will look:
- Huge PC business (Starfield, Halo, Flight Sim, CoD, Diablo 4, Overwatch, Starcraft, etc)
- Gamepass sub business (continue to get all MS games day 1 plus EA Play, others rolled in)
- Mobile business (King, etc)
- Console business (Non-Gamepass Xbox users, Switch 2, and PS5)
That is a pretty compelling gaming business.
I think this is all leading up to a...
Spin-out of the gaming business. Shareholders don't want an AI/Cloud freight train attached to a lumpy, unpredictable, mid-single-digit (the dreaded MSD) segment. With ABK they have the heft to do it.
Scheduled tweets?
Halo on PS5 would be like moving Mario Kart 8 going from Wii U to Switch. An injection of new players who find the franchise novel again.
Yes, it is also from eight months ago.That...isn't at odds with anything even rumored to be happening?
PC may not be as direct of a competing platform, just like NSW and mobile, but they are serious competitors for gaming time. If you seriously misread pricing you run the risk of alienating your audience. Back during launch, people were reselling the PS5s for around $300 above MSRP which some people took that as, Sony can launch it at $800 and still sell it. This is without realizing that the reason it is so attractive is because of ecosystem buy-in and MSRP being reasonable.Sony said they made the PS4 Pro because of ppl migrating to PC later in the gen.
....why didn't they do a PS5 Pro at the start of the gen....
When next gen starts..what do the average person shop for: consoles or a PC?
Why do you think platform holders try to convince you their console is the best place to play?
PC is not the same as console vs console....no matter how much some try to make it or want it be.
Well my best guess is that Xbox and Windows may become a more singular thing in future, so like the Xbox UI is integrated as a mode in Windows, and the games are essentially the PC versions, allowing anyone to make an "Xbox", similar to how they sell Windows. Other than a graphics settings screen in games, it'd likely be a similar experiecne for most people.
Same way that we'll probably see Steam Machines come back in the next couple of years
i doubt it.
Yeah no....
a lesson learned the hard waySo it turns out that Game Pass shouldn't have even been legal after all
"The other one that I've heard that's definitely under consideration—it doesn't mean that it's going to happen but it's in talks—is Gears of War," Grubb said on Monday.
"Gears of War is being considered for this," he reiterated.
No way, I would be surprised if it hit 5 million.
That's not original reporting, they're just covering Tom Warren's article at The Verge, which characterizes this move as more than a couple isolated ports:Indiana Jones and the Great Circle and Possibly Starfield Are Reportedly Being Considered for PS5 - IGN
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle and possibly Starfield are reportedly being considered for PS5, and this may indicate a new multi-platform approach inside Microsoft for certain Xbox games going forward if it proves to be true.www.ign.com
A new multi-platform approach for certain Xbox games is emerging inside Microsoft, we're told, with the company weighing up which titles will remain exclusive and others that will appear on Switch or PS5 in the future. Indiana Jones appears to be part of this new wave of multi-platform games.
Exact timing and platform availability for Indiana Jones and the Great Circle could change, particularly as Microsoft's new multi-platform approach for Xbox games hasn't been finalized. Microsoft has been evaluating bringing certain Xbox exclusives to PS5 and Nintendo Switch in recent months. Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush have both reportedly been under cross-platform consideration, and we understand Microsoft has also looked into bringing other Xbox games to rival consoles.
Jeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
all the art house gamesJeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
This, maybe not the spin out, I'm not sure, but yeah this seems like a win for them in the short term anywayI know most don't agree but I really think this is a win-win for Microsoft.
Here's how it will look:
- Huge PC business (Starfield, Halo, Flight Sim, CoD, Diablo 4, Overwatch, Starcraft, etc)
- Gamepass sub business (continue to get all MS games day 1 plus EA Play, others rolled in)
- Mobile business (King, etc)
- Console business (Non-Gamepass Xbox users, Switch 2, and PS5)
That is a pretty compelling gaming business.
I think this is all leading up to a...
Spin-out of the gaming business. Shareholders don't want an AI/Cloud freight train attached to a lumpy, unpredictable, mid-single-digit (the dreaded MSD) segment. With ABK they have the heft to do it.
I think the only game not mentioned so far is ForzaJeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
better to send out a critical darling and successful live service game insteadi'm surprised the first "big" one isn't Halo Infinite going multi platform, since it's a f2p/live service title.
this is the kind of game where you want to cast your net as wide as possible, and it's currently limited to PC/Xbox
There aren't many xbox only players out there.
I think it would do really well. Forza Horizon 5 would too. There is nothing quite like it on PlayStation.
MCC would do gangbusters on ps5, which is lacking great fps single player games at the moment.
Its going to be everything, lets just face itJeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
It's the same situation on Steam. Xbox almost certainly doesn't like having to concede as a legitimate competitor in the PC games distribution space, but it was necessary to have all the work they did prepping for day-and-date PC versions to actually be profitable.idk if you meant this as a gatcha, but he's not wrong, just because they're releasing some games on PS doesnt mean he enjoys PS getting a cut of the sales.
Jeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
So is everyone... they wanted to polish that messaging probably for a few weeks. Now they will have to rush it.I am more surprised they are tweeting anything like this before an actual response at this point.
i'm surprised the first "big" one isn't Halo Infinite going multi platform, since it's a f2p/live service title.
this is the kind of game where you want to cast your net as wide as possible, and it's currently limited to PC/Xbox
Maybe 2 million. I'm not an Halo fan as I don't care for First Person games, but I might buy Halo on Playstation just for how blasphemous it sounds. It'd be like buying Sonic on GameCube .
Phil, If you're reading this (probably not) I will buy 5 copies of Gears on PlayStation for me and my homies. I'm not even joking.
The fact that Jeff Grubb is now hearing shit and it's also more stuff outside of Bethesda and ABK titles makes it 100% clear to me that I think Xbox is planning on porting their entire catalogue. Even if it's just consideration, if you port Gears, why not port Halo? If you're porting Hellblade 2, why not port Fable or Avowed? If you port Starfield, why not port Indiana Jones, Blade, etc.Jeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
Jeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
I'm putting myself in their shoes right now, they probably spent the night understanding what happened and trying to damage control that shitstorm.
This thread is moving at a good clip but I hope someone can help me answer this:
I'll forever be curious what would've happened (or what their internal discussions were about this) had Xbox opted to double down hard on exclusivity after Bethesda and the ABK acquisitions (excluding COD for the sake of the buyout).
With all of these studios, if they had really committed for 3-4 years that everything could only be played on Xbox, maybe even extending it a couple years into the next hardware generation, I'm really curious if that would've brute forced, for lack of a better phrase, brute forced a lot of HW sales. Particularly with the portfolio from ABK, especially if they could take a lot of studios off COD and diversify the output over there. But, this multiplat news is coming months after ABK closed, so we'll never know.
Any guesses why they wouldn't have tried this? I'm sure the answer's something simple, like they played this scenario out internally and it still didn't work (maybe with PC in the picture it wouldn't have moved the HW needle), or it sold a lot of Xboxes but this new multiplatform reality still makes more $$ in the end.
It would've been a Hail Mary and maybe they just couldn't risk that bleed for the years it would take to see it payoff.
Maybe 2 million. I'm not an Halo fan as I don't care for First Person games, but I might buy Halo on Playstation just for how blasphemous it sounds. It'd be like buying Sonic on GameCube .
I know most don't agree but I really think this is a win-win for Microsoft.
Here's how it will look:
- Huge PC business (Starfield, Halo, Flight Sim, CoD, Diablo 4, Overwatch, Starcraft, etc)
- Gamepass sub business (continue to get all MS games day 1 plus EA Play, others rolled in)
- Mobile business (King, etc)
- Console business (Non-Gamepass Xbox users, Switch 2, and PS5)
That is a pretty compelling gaming business.
I think this is all leading up to a...
Spin-out of the gaming business. Shareholders don't want an AI/Cloud freight train attached to a lumpy, unpredictable, mid-single-digit (the dreaded MSD) segment. With ABK they have the heft to do it.
Pentiment hype!Jeff Grubb just said on Game Mess Mornings that both Pentiment and Gears of War are being considered too.
The markets and also… work on this scale doesn't wait for people to check into their cubicles. I mean ideally they were already working on this for weeks and I'm sure Comms had some fun meetings over the weekend (RIP)I mean markets run on east coast time and this rumor has blown up to a more mainstream thing.