ShadowFox08

Banned
Nov 25, 2017
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Amazing.. I'm actually used to the skimpy outfits now.. Maybe someday when I start an NG+, I'll use those outfits.
 

wiill64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,592
Pretty cool that they added this costume to the game. I still think the black leggings clash with her design (white would've been better) but it's a nice option to have.
 

Mr.Fletcher

Member
Nov 18, 2017
9,665
UK
I think it's a nice cross promotion to celebrate the one-year anniversary of the game. Monolith Soft has spoiled me over the last year and a surprise update like this is just icing on the cake.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
26,190
Tbilisi, Georgia
Its a positive step. If only they patched out Tora, then we'd have a GOTY Edition ready to roll and we can take the game further in sales
Thankfully, Tora doesn't exist in Torna.

Thinking about it, with this optional costume equipped, the overall level of sexualization in that campaign comes down to... Brighid I guess.
I would like to know these answers as well.
I checked some pages back and it seems you can buy it from a Nopon merchant in Feltley.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,277
Pantyhose/tights are always welcomed.

Malos is that contrast. He's mostly black and she's mostly white.

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Pneuma adds a lot more black to her design, but it's spread out and mixed well with white.
Having Mythra's entire legs and back be solid black is too much uninterrupted black.

She's a goddess of light like Palutena.
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Mythra's portrayal in Cole's play:
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As a character designer theres a HUGE difference between the use of black in Mythra, and the photoshopped palutena.
Mythra already had a lot of black stripes and detaling present in her design (even before
pneuma
, while Palutena had none. Thats why it clashes much more with Palutena than Mythra IMO.

Could it have been thought about the design and how to cover the legs a little more? Yes, thats true (maybe use black stripes and white), but actually the all white leggings in the photoshoped version posted here and in the other thread look really bad as it doesnt break the upper part from the lower part and she just looks like a massive white mass. You need to brake the design a little sometimes so it flows with the eyes better, and that somewhat works actually with the black leggings.

Something, that by the way, is present also with Palutena's design, not only she has a non mirrored design left and right so the visual blandness of the all white is broken, but the, brown belt, the red stripe in the skirt and the brown lines of the tall sandal boots also brake much of that stocking white leg with the white dress.
 
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RagnarokX

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Oct 26, 2017
15,850
Pantyhose/tights are always welcomed.



As a character designer theres a HUGE difference between the use of black in Mythra, and the photoshopped palutena.
Mythra already had a lot of black stripes and detaling present in her design (even before
pneuma
, while Palutena had none. Thats why it clashes much more with Palutena than Mythra IMO.

Could it have been thought about the design and how to cover the legs a little more? Yes, thats true (maybe use black stripes and white), but actually the all white leggings in the photoshoped version posted here and in the other thread look really bad as it doesnt break the upper part from the lower part and she just looks like a massive white mass. You need to brake the design a little sometimes so it flows with the eyes better, and that somewhat works actually with the black leggings.

Something, that by the way, is present also with Palutena's design, not only she has a non mirrored design left and right so the visual blandness of the all white is broken, but the, brown belt, the red stripe in the skirt and the brown lines of the tall sandal boots also brake much of that stocking white leg with the white dress.
Of course it clashes more with Palutena. It was partly a joke since the person I responded to said black worked better because you can't have light without shadows and both Mythra and Palutena are goddesses of light.

I agree that the legs being a solid color is bad all around, but solid white works better than solid black. Part of it is also that the black makes her look too modern/futuristic when she's supposed to look the least modern of her forms. Black tips her look too far towards space princess than an ancient goddess. Her original look balances that better.

Ideally, though, I'd just lengthen the skirt a bit and maybe give the attached crotchpiece some short legs so people stop thinking it's panties. Works for Simon and his skirt is shorter and made of thinner material. Speaking of which, I noticed Simon and Pit both have upper leg bracelets on one leg like Mythra for asymmetry.

This led to people in discord asking to give black leggings to more characters for fun and this happened:
Young Link: https://i.imgur.com/t5VXOvu.png
Simon: https://i.imgur.com/ky4HPC9.png
Pit: https://i.imgur.com/dy7PXSV.png
Pokemon Trainer: https://i.imgur.com/z6E2Idz.png
K. Rool: https://i.imgur.com/bjQ2Rir.png
Pacman: https://i.imgur.com/0QzZrkO.png
Mega Man: https://i.imgur.com/1S8BFNV.png
Ridley: https://i.imgur.com/Uxvr5M2.png
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,277
Of course it clashes more with Palutena. It was partly a joke since the person I responded to said black worked better because you can't have light without shadows and both Mythra and Palutena are goddesses of light.

I agree that the legs being a solid color is bad all around, but solid white works better than solid black. Part of it is also that the black makes her look too modern/futuristic when she's supposed to look the least modern of her forms. Black tips her look too far towards space princess than an ancient goddess. Her original look balances that better.

Ideally, though, I'd just lengthen the skirt a bit and maybe give the attached crotchpiece some short legs so people stop thinking it's panties. Works for Simon and his skirt is shorter and made of thinner material. Speaking of which, I noticed Simon and Pit both have upper leg bracelets on one leg like Mythra for asymmetry.

Im with you on everything except this. I think she looks terrible in all white and the design doesnt work from a visual standpoint (even it it works thematically speaking). The softer rosy skin without tights of the original does work because it brakes the completely white colour. Maybe a different tone of white than the one in the dress would look better, but then you have the problem of that colour never being used on anything else in the design so it will clash. She really needs a colour (and detailing of the legs) better thought redesign for this new design to work better, but in the meantime, i prefer the use of black visually than the white.
 

Razmos

Unshakeable One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
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And suddenly I want to continue playing this game.
Her design is wayyy better with the leggings
 

Adulfzen

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,632
Much better hopefully they don't double down on fanservice for their next game. Xenoblade Chronicles was a great game but that shit was lame. You can make attractive designs without turning characters into sex dolls.
 

Fosko

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,957
Could this hint at a potential Pyra/Mythra newcomer for smash using the new outfit? I doubt they'd go all the way for a random sticker.
 

Silent

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,458
I think her original design is better, but it's pretty cool of them to include it.
 

Dany1899

Member
Dec 23, 2017
4,219
Could this hint at a potential Pyra/Mythra newcomer for smash using the new outfit? I doubt they'd go all the way for a random sticker.

As I said in the Smash topic, I really hope this is the reason. There are two scenario, they did this redesign instead of just avoiding to put Mythra among the Spirits because she will be a DLC newcomer with Rex and Pyra or because Monolith Soft really care about their games and their fans and decided to accept to change the design just to let Samurai put her as a Spirit.
 

Neoxon

Spotlighting Black Excellence - Diversity Analyst
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Oct 25, 2017
85,867
Houston, TX
Could this hint at a potential Pyra/Mythra newcomer for smash using the new outfit? I doubt they'd go all the way for a random sticker.
I can't really see them getting in without Rex (I.E. their driver). Either way, maybe? I sure as hell hope so, 'cause Ultimate will likely be Rex's only chance at being playable.
 

Tibarn

Member
Oct 31, 2017
13,378
Barcelona
Great detail from Monolithsoft, we're getting really spoiled with Xc2 and the expectaction for the post-game content with their next game will be high. I really like that they consider the "Smash version" someway canon, this way it doesn't look like censor that much.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,239
Of course it clashes more with Palutena. It was partly a joke since the person I responded to said black worked better because you can't have light without shadows and both Mythra and Palutena are goddesses of light.

I agree that the legs being a solid color is bad all around, but solid white works better than solid black. Part of it is also that the black makes her look too modern/futuristic when she's supposed to look the least modern of her forms. Black tips her look too far towards space princess than an ancient goddess. Her original look balances that better.

Ideally, though, I'd just lengthen the skirt a bit and maybe give the attached crotchpiece some short legs so people stop thinking it's panties. Works for Simon and his skirt is shorter and made of thinner material. Speaking of which, I noticed Simon and Pit both have upper leg bracelets on one leg like Mythra for asymmetry.

This led to people in discord asking to give black leggings to more characters for fun and this happened:
Young Link: https://i.imgur.com/t5VXOvu.png
Simon: https://i.imgur.com/ky4HPC9.png
Pit: https://i.imgur.com/dy7PXSV.png
Pokemon Trainer: https://i.imgur.com/z6E2Idz.png
K. Rool: https://i.imgur.com/bjQ2Rir.png
Pacman: https://i.imgur.com/0QzZrkO.png
Mega Man: https://i.imgur.com/1S8BFNV.png
Ridley: https://i.imgur.com/Uxvr5M2.png
Agree to disagree I guess. Palutena is a straight take on Athena, complete with shield, staff, and white himation-esque draperies, and while the use of white to denote an affinity of light is certainly a part of her design, I would argue it derives much more from her place in the game's faux Greek pantheon. Regardless at least now we know the design was done by Monolithsoft and wasn't just someone filling in her key art with a paint bucket, which indicates to me that tried to find the most aesthetically and thematically appropriate look they could.
 

thefro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,996
That looks awful and doesn't add anything to the light motif. Light in game is never represented as white, it's always appears as golden yellow. Black is the way to go 100%, especially if we consider that a more appropriate light metaphor would be the fact that light cannot be perceived without shadow to differentiate it. Giving her white leggings really ruins her color scheme, much more so than the default.

Black also makes more sense since it matches with
Pneuma
's color scheme.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
It looks like two vertical black spaces, like there's some contest going on and Nintendo wants us to figure out what's hidden for a prize.
I mean...if you see that? the color isn't pitch so there's no void effect going on. it's actually being affected by lighting, so there's no way it'll get lost on a similarly colored background (which isn't on display in the picture to begin with), and there's no tangent issue causing her silhouette to be obscured
 

Alvis

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,294
How do I get the costume? I want to use it but I don't know how to acquire it. I have the game updated and all the DLC.
 

TheGreatLugia

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,078
How do I get the costume? I want to use it but I don't know how to acquire it. I have the game updated and all the DLC.
In the main game you get it from a Nopon on the east side of Argentum on the bottom floor by one of the salvinging points.

In Torna you get it from a Nopon by the camp right where Mythra joins your party.
 

Ada

Member
Nov 28, 2017
3,760
Lame its tied to a 25% crit boost aux core. Which for me would mean losing 45/30% flat damage increase aux cores.
 

Zen Hero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,659
Lame its tied to a 25% crit boost aux core. Which for me would mean losing 45/30% flat damage increase aux cores.
Due to the way damage calculation works in this game, critical damage tends to be a lot more important than regular additive damage increases. It kind of depends on your set-up, but this is one of the best possible aux cores in the game for Mythra.
 

Echizen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
597
I wasn't a huge fan of this when I saw it in the portrait (not because they "covered her up", I just didn't think it looked as good), but seeing it in the Xenoblade 2 games now, it actually looks amazing.
 

Lozange

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,122
As someone who immediately gave Pyra the hoodie outfit when it became available as dlc, I am totally down for this addition. No the design isn't exactly great, but it looks like something someone would wear. Which helps with my suspension of disbelief if nothing else.
 

mas8705

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,497
I know I posted what a "Covered" Pyra would look like, and honestly after seeing this one for Mythra, it would be nice to see Pyra maybe getting the same rework too. At least if the option is available since I don't know if this is something exclusive with the expansion or something that is in the main game itself.