YouTuber Linus breaks his iMac Pro, wants it to be repaired but Apple refuses
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He fixes it while taking jab after jab at Apple. That's the gist of the entire video. If you wanna hear his jabs, go for it. Otherwise, it was a waste of time. Don't forget the obligatory adverts. lol
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That's how I FEEL about it personally.
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That's how I FEEL about it personally.
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That's a little reductionist. He takes plenty of time to demonstrate what likely went wrong, where it went wrong, why Apple potentially designed it that way, how they had to go about fixing it, and responding to the Apple fanboy comments that were swarming the first two videos. To say "it's just them fixing it while taking jabs at Apple" breezes over the actual interesting discussion they're having about Apple's intentions with design, the flaws that come with it, and the anti-consumer practices they follow that don't allow people to fix their own stuff.
I learned a bunch of more stuff than that. For instance, the FUCKING PSU IS UNSHIELDED AND EXPOSED! Holy shit they gave zero shits about repair-ability over thinness...
Reductionist indeed.
Just the cooler system design of the thing make it so that you'd need to dust it off at some point. If you don't remove the screen to access the board, you just can't do anything worthwhile to clean it off. So, after a few years of use, the iMac will throttle due to a clogged ventilation system and the only way to fix that would be to bring it to an apple store who will probably try to pretend it's not just dust and makes you pay extra. Yay.
All the jabs were deserved.
Yeah, PSUs are just about as dangerous to repair as CRT displays because of how long the capacitors can hold an electric current.
Tell me about it. My first job was at an arcade and the boss wouldn't let anyone go near the open back of a cabinet unsupervised because of the caps in the monitor.
Nice to see another Linus/Rossman team-up video, which unlike the last one was not about showcasing how wrong Linus was
That exposed PSU is something else. I guess authorized technicians will need the same training I remember them needing to service the old CRT all-in-one macs, just as deadly, but at least there it was pretty clearly something you don't take opening up lightly.
That exposed PSU is something else. I guess authorized technicians will need the same training I remember them needing to service the old CRT all-in-one macs, just as deadly, but at least there it was pretty clearly something you don't take opening up lightly.
How was this a waste of time at all? Its highly informative and goes into deep detail over the assembly.
There were hardly any jabs at apple either. The ones that are in there are well deserved given the asinine amount of shit they had to go through to get to this point.
Anyone who thinks this video was full of jabs at Apple clearly hasn't seen Rossman's channel, which makes this look like a glowing recommendation of their hardware. And Rossman does that while still being incredibly informative about the design/construction of modern laptops as well as the cause of their failures. Watching him diagnose a simple broken touchpad is a thing of beauty (if you're a huge nerd like me anyway)
Yup, as a tech myself, I've learned a lot from the dude. His channel is hilarious and this team-up was the sheeeeit. Can't believe the PSU is unshielded lmfao Luckily I know about the dangers of capacitors mostly from opening guitar amps and rear-projection TVs. (ouchies)
I gave my opinion on how the video was for ME. Nothing they did in that was interesting for ME at all. I could watch iFixit videos instead. I watched it because I didn't want to make comments without actually watching it.
Only in this case. I've watched countless of his other videos without issue.
It was a waste of my time because there wasn't anything in the video that brought anything important for me. I mean, if you make a comment on a video and how interesting and informative it was, does that make it the be all end all of how others should feel about the same video? I don't think so. This isn't the "only comment if you feel the exact same way as everyone else" forum.
Sorry if ya'll don't like other opinions.
The whole point of the video is to show that it's not some kind of magic box forged in the fires of Mount Doom that only Apple trained wizards know how to fix. It's... literally just a PC. lol
It's super interesting, and he says a lot of nice things.
The design inside is super fun to see and them putting it together is well worth watching
why is advertising in this video so bad that you wanted to comment on it, compared to literally every other video they do?
I was taking a jab at his video, in the spirit of him taking jabs at Apple. No harm done.
Fun fact: my early 2009 imac 24" didn't seem to have a shield over its psu, either.
I took it apart when the motherboard died.
Good think I didn't happen to touch anything dangerous!
Disclaimer: it's been a few years and I might be misremembering
Fucking hell at that PSU.
Louis is a great guy and it's worth checking out his channel, he has a good perspective of apple repairs and the downsides: https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos
Louis is a great guy and it's worth checking out his channel, he has a good perspective of apple repairs and the downsides: https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos
If you liked the video, no problem here. ;)
Nope. I'm retired, no job. ;)
That was legit really interesting. But holy crap the exposed PSU capacitors. I wasn't even thinking of how crazy dangerous those would be until they mentioned it.
It's a trap ! For when you attempt to see what is inside your overpriced work machine.
After all, given Linus experience, it seems to work as a autodestruction mecanism.
Apple using an unshielded PSU to state an example out of anyone trying to disassemble your machine.
I'm teaching myself basic electronics watching Rossmann's videos and I was already familiar enough with old school monitors to know that unshielded caps/PSUs are BAD NEWS. Just the zap from discharging an arcade CRT will scare you silly.
It's one thing that Apple doesn't want their customers to open their computers, and another one that doing such could endanger their lives.
Apple seems to operate under the strong belief that nobody but them should play doctor with their hardware.
It's one thing that Apple doesn't want their customers to open their computers, and another one that doing such could endanger their lives.
Apple seems to operate under the strong belief that nobody but them should play doctor with their hardware.
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I think thinness as THE feature is starting to be a problem...
I believe Apple is aware of his channel and tried to make him take videos down before
Apple is probably the staunchest anti-right to repair group that exists. I think they see it as their business model improved in three ways for them : making repair have to go through their (expensive) channels, selling pricey AppleCare, and preventing as much as possible extension of useful life/capabilities of their products (leading to the need to buy newer models more often). Of course this leads to additional e-waste.
Hopefully, there is some real traction with the legal side of this that enables things like :
Available documentation on assembly
Available diagnostics
Available parts channels with no BS
Etc
But, I doubt it. As bad as Apple is, it's something more common with Smartphones in particular, but it's galling to see the same disposable locked up philosophy in actual computers, ESPECIALLY 'Pro' stuff that is really expensive.
Take this iMac that Linus has. It should have an access panel that doesn't require removing the damn display to get to the CPU socket, ram slots, and fans.
What the fuck at the exposed PSU. That makes working on it even for experienced repairers dangerous
But why though?
How much weight/space/cost does it add to have a thin, grounded cover over the PSU?
If I understand correctly it may have even prevented some of the damage caused to this machine when the screen was originally removed.
I don't know, but on the list of Apples internal priorities, "making things easier for people taking our computers apart" is probably next to dinosaur bones.
Unshielded PSUs basically say "never break this because we're not bothering with liability training. Apple made swappable parts, but made it so you might die if you take apart the device.
But how would we know when opening this is illegal in 47 states?
Everyone loosing their shit about an exposed PSU, have you looked inside the original Xbox? This is not new, and will continue to be done, when the manufacturer is designing a product that is not meant to be serviced by consumers.
This whole thing is a debacle (for Linus) and isn't even a realistic scenario. If I'm Weta Digital and I'm buying a bunch of iMac Pros, and one breaks, guess what I'm not doing? I'm not opening it. I'm sending it back to Apple for a replacement. And I will get a replacement (typically) no questions asked.
The scenario Linus has crafted since the iMac Pro was damaged is completely unrealistic for the 99.9% of iMac Pro owners. No one who buys an iMac Pro is going to tinker with the innards. No one expects it to be upgradeable.
And to the other guy with Linus, the guy who has a serious hate on for Apple, does he really believe that iMacs stop working after 3 years? That dust adds 30ºC to the GPU? Even Linus had to step him back a few times. That guy is a clown, which means he's perfect for Linus' farcical upgradability circus.
The scenario Linus has crafted since the iMac Pro was damaged is completely unrealistic for the 99.9% of iMac Pro owners. No one who buys an iMac Pro is going to tinker with the innards. No one expects it to be upgradeable.
And to the other guy with Linus, the guy who has a serious hate on for Apple, does he really believe that iMacs stop working after 3 years? That dust adds 30ºC to the GPU? Even Linus had to step him back a few times. That guy is a clown, which means he's perfect for Linus' farcical upgradability circus.
The guy is a licensed repairman of Apple products sooooo, yeah. His whole channel is dedicated to repairing Apple devices.
I would take his opinion on these matters over a random poster on the internet.
Didn't know that. But just because he's a licensed repairman doesn't mean he can't spout nonsense. I'd like to see any kind of evidence that dust after 3 years in an iMac adds 30ºC to the GPU. There's many other nuggets of nonsense he says throughout that entire video. Again, multiple times Linus interjected with "well actually" or "well to be fair".