I don't understand, didn't they say booster shots were already approved and people could go and get them at the 6 month mark from the original shot?
FDA panel rejects plan to administer Pfizer’s Covid booster doses to general public (Up: votes in support of booster for people 65+ or at high risk)
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Healthy 35 year olds in the US should not be getting 3rd doses before a 70 year old in another country can even get one.
They are still debating for older population. This was for all current age groups.
title is a bit misleading
What about JJ recipients? I feel like the nature of that shot is much different. Are they discussing what we should do?
nah, that makes sense because it's storing up defences for the more vulnerable over a winter period
but if the vaccine is holding up extremely well, then I'm not sure why an 18 year old also needs a third dose
I suspect the US will have a booster program - just more limited like other places!
But not enough to make a difference:
“Appalled” by rich countries hogging vaccines, WHO extends booster moratorium
No more promises, we just want vaccines for low-income countries, WHO director says.
arstechnica.com
Rich countries definitely should make sure the world is fully vaccinated before even considering giving a third dose to their general population. This booster shot will be pretty useless if more dangerous variants appear because low-income countries couldn't vaccinate their people due to high-income countries hoarding all the doses.
From the same article about WHO's position:
Also:
Honestly it's fine for now. We need to get our base vaccination rates up, and we need more studies to show the true benefits.
Remember that boosters are already approved for immunocompromised people.
Remember that boosters are already approved for immunocompromised people.
Yeah so weird to backtrack now. Was down to get mine next month but now I can't right?
everyone keeps on saying this, but that's not the reason why the FDA made their decision right? That other countries need more vaccines?
I got the booster shot but I'm regularly intubating Covid patients so I felt it was worth it for me.
This is an interesting decision though. I have to wonder how much weight the global distribution of vaccines weighs into this decision.
This is an interesting decision though. I have to wonder how much weight the global distribution of vaccines weighs into this decision.
Focusing on boosters for the general population seems foolish when the virus is ravaging the unvaccinated. All of our real-world data on hospitalizations and death says that the vaccines are still powerful protections. It's 100% the unvaccinated that are the problem and should be the focus imo. They are the ones getting sick, going to the hospital, and spreading it. Why work the margins when you have this massive group that's the primary driver of the problem?
U.S. will begin wide distribution of Covid booster shots next month, saying vaccine protection wanes over time
U.S. agencies are preparing to offer booster shots to all eligible Americans beginning the week of Sept. 20.
www.cnbc.com
That was a month ago.
The best way to contain the pandemic is to ensure the entire world is vaccinated, not hoarding the vaccines white majority countries have so that pharmaceuticals can make bank.
I'm curious about this - how? Isn't it not approved yet or is it emergency authorized at this point?
It just seems like I started randomly seeing people getting boosters out of nowhere when there seemingly hasn't been an official "here is the booster shot and ____ people can get it"
I see, let's hope they approve them for the elderly then. I don't care about myself getting a booster, I just want my Dad to be able to get it. I feel like the data is clear at this that there is a noticeable drop in protection for the elderly past 6 months.
Are there even any studies that show that hospitalization / IC prevention percentage goes up more than a couple of percents for healthy / younger people when time passes after vaccination? I haven't seen it yet.
This is great news, stop hoarding all the vaccines in the west and spread it to countries in need. Healthy / young people should be grateful for the protection we already got now.
This is great news, stop hoarding all the vaccines in the west and spread it to countries in need. Healthy / young people should be grateful for the protection we already got now.
You can get it if you immune compromised. Mom is immune compromised and my dad got it too since they live together
If some of the doctors are saying they need more time to study this, that's not fucking up.
i dunno, i don't feel like their data is in-depth at all. they tend not to show their work and only share their conclusions, so its hard to make heads or tails of anything.
The US will almost certainly follow suit, but it's important to realise why the UK is doing this. Stopping infections is a fool's errand now, so the UK is focusing its booster programme on people who are statistically at the greatest risk of severe illness or death. They're not doing it to stop people getting COVID; they're doing it to stop people from dying from it.
Population-wide boosters are targeted at the wrong aim: trying to prevent people who have minimal risk of severe disease from catching COVID. That's why the risk / benefit equation looks different for third doses versus first / second doses - not because the risk has fundamentally changed for young, healthy people, but because the benefit is potentially not much of a benefit at all.
Damn... like 7 of my vaccinated friends got Covid last month. Was really hoping to get the booster
It's amazing how being opaque during a crisis destroys your credibility
FDA panel votes in support of booster for people 65+ and those at high risk
FDA advisory panel recommends booster doses of Covid-19 vaccine only for older and high-risk Americans
For an archived version of live coverage of the hearing of the FDA's advisory panel, click here. n advisory panel to the Food and Drug Administration on
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Unless those friends became severely ill or were in high-risk groups then that's, frankly, the best-case scenario for where the world is at in late 2021.
It is for all the extra people that are going to get breakthrough infections. When Israel shows a third shot reduces the chances of that happening by like 10x.
Surprising but also .. not. I do wish for those that are vulnerable/working with the vulnerable to have some approved booster soon. As a HCW with their first dose back in December... could use a morale boost as well.
EDIT: seems like half my wish may be granted? #stillmodernagangtho
EDIT: seems like half my wish may be granted? #stillmodernagangtho
Getting vaccines in the arms of the unvaccinated worldwide is a lot more effective at stopping the pandemic. The pandemic is still fueled by the unvaccinated. You'll get a lot less breakthrough cases in vaccinated if you get less unvaccinated people in general because the virus is around a lot less.
This seems like a reasonable course of action. Biden admin jumping the gun on this was sloppy as fuck.
I can think of a couple friends on Pfizer who are going to be extremely upset by this news. They have been chomping at the bit for boosters.
I can think of a couple friends on Pfizer who are going to be extremely upset by this news. They have been chomping at the bit for boosters.
You're right. Fortunately, for the most part they didn't but one of them had to go to the hospital
I believe it'll be submitted to the FDA by the end of the month for kids between five and twelve.
I fear that a year from now, we will look back on this with the same hindsight that we now have for the original messaging on masks ("not proven out, only needed for medical pros") and the droplet / aerosol debate ("6 feet is enough, it doesn't linger in the air").
I understand that the panel wants more data, but I worry that by the time we meet the standard of proof they are looking for, breakthrough cases will be contributing significantly to US case and death totals during the winter months. I hope those worries prove unfounded.
I understand that the panel wants more data, but I worry that by the time we meet the standard of proof they are looking for, breakthrough cases will be contributing significantly to US case and death totals during the winter months. I hope those worries prove unfounded.
Data for 5-12 is submitted to the FDA. 12+ is approved.
Putting a booster into a person means not putting that same shot in someone unvaccinated.